BPS Brawn needs a few loggers!

The Solution said:
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up. Should be in tonight. Not training today.
Start with 1 cap for a few a week then jump to 2?
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I was wondering if there was any benefit to that as well. Like a 1cap for 2weeks, than 2caps for remainder of bottle
 
All of the feedback I've seen is with all of the benefits coming from 50-100mg doses with great results. It's a fast acting product so I would think if you dose with 1 cap per day, and up it to 2 you will notice if there is any added benefit.
 
The Solution said:
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up. Should be in tonight. Not training today.
Start with 1 cap for a few a week then jump to 2?
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bwdill said:
I was wondering if there was any benefit to that as well. Like a 1cap for 2weeks, than 2caps for remainder of bottle
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jimbuick said:
Do you guys (BPS) have a dosing scheme you would like to see?
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I would say to start with 1 per day. There is definitely a sweet spot where it hits good and then over that, is just a waste. That's what I found out personally with high dosing the TD version.
 
The Solution said:
Increase to 2 after 1 week? or just ride out 1 cap?
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I'm going to say that's up to you. If 1 cap is feeling weak after a week or so and you want to bump it up, then go for it. I'm even good with you opening caps to split the dose to 50 mg instead of 100mg if you're comfortable with that. I have a capping machine, scale and geletin caps that I could do that with but I know not everyone does. You could try going on a split and take 2 on lift days and 1 on rest days (depending on your routine schedule of course) For the most part, just go with what you're comfortable with and keep us informed on what dosage you're going with at any given time. As you go, we might ask to increase the dose if you're not getting the full results.
 
Mine came in today as well. Will try to get the log up tomorrow or Saturday. I won't be starting until Sunday either way though. I will likely just roll with 1 cap all the way through.
 
Got mine today, but log up over the weekend since I am gonna start on Sunday or Monday.

Also gonna up my protein intake to result in a caloric surplus from just protein and see if it makes a difference with the enhanced protein synthesis.
 
Got my bottle yesterday. I will get my log up by Sunday. Big day tomorrow(that whole wedding thing) Lola.And I think I'm just gonna run at w per day. I'm sitting at 300 pounds at the moment and I've always responded better to a little more than recommended dose.
 
Log will be up tomorrow! Anyone else adjusting their workout routine and diet to accommodate the enhanced protein synthesis?
 
bwdill said:
Log will be up tomorrow! Anyone else adjusting their workout routine and diet to accommodate the enhanced protein synthesis?
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I'll be starting into a bit of a reverse diet, with a focus on relatively high protein. My usual coarse after 12 weeks of cutting, so i know what to normally expect and will be looking for any significant variation.
 
bwdill said:
Log will be up tomorrow! Anyone else adjusting their workout routine and diet to accommodate the enhanced protein synthesis?
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My 2 cents is change nothing. Changing 2 major variables won't give you the 100% aspect of the product.
Stay the course on your routine and diet this way you know how the product affects it. Plus the company wants 100% honest and truthful feedback.

Lets take for example changing your routine... throw in 5-6 more working sets or add more volume, then if you do get tired or exhausted you will claim the product doesn't live up to its reputation when in reality you may be overtraining.

Dietary Wise...add 200-300 kcals and the scale moves quicker then you want. Then you will say the product makes you add weight when in reality it is your caloric intake.

A supplement is that.. a SUPPLEMENT. to supplement your dietary intake and training routine.
The only variable that should be changed in your log is the addition of the supplement, because with that it shows you its true potential and side effects.

 
The Solution said:
You should not.
Changing 2 major variables won't give you the 100% aspect of the product.
Stay the course on your routine and diet this way you know how the product affects it.

For example.. throw in 5-6 more working sets or add more volume, then if you do get tired or exhausted you will claim the product doesn't live up to its reputation when in reality you may be overtraining

add 200-300 kcals and the scale moves quicker then you want. Then you will say the product makes you add weight when in reality it is your caloric intake.

A supplement is that.. a SUPPLEMENT. to supplement your dietary intake and training routine.
The only variable that should be changed in your log is the addition of the supplement, because with that it shows you its true potential and side effects.

Add volume and calories, then you cant really say if X or Y was the reason fatigue, performance, endurance, scale movements, body recomposition. Just keep all things the same, this way you can note the difference in your current routine and caloric intake.
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Yeah I get that, but the single most noted benefit is the 2x protein synthesis. Typically, increasing your protein intake simply results in additional calories and that's it. While taking laxogenin there would be benefits so why not take advantage of them?

Also, with 2x protein synthesis would there not be any benefits to hitting a muscle group 2x a week while utilizing the product?

See what I'm saying?

I get your point but no change while on this product may result in minimal benefits.
 
I think for the small margin of educated buyers, they can tell a difference between results of caloric surplus vs results of this product.
 
bwdill said:
I think for the small margin of educated buyers, they can tell a difference between results of caloric surplus vs results of this product.
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This is the key word. Small.
Not many people know their body to a T like those who have been training for extended periods of time.
If you want to know how much a product truly lives up to its reputation the only variable and change is adding in the product. This way anything you note or feel is exactly the supplement, because that is the only change to the entire mix over the course of the run.
 
The Solution said:
This is the key word. Small.
Not many people know their body to a T like those who have been training for extended periods of time.
If you want to know how much a product truly lives up to its reputation the only variable and change is adding in the product. This way anything you note or feel is exactly the supplement, because that is the only change to the entire mix over the course of the run.
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No I agree, but at the same time people have to use this product the way it was intended to be used.

An increase in protein would normally result in nothin but added calories, BUT while taking laxogenin it may just be the key to success.
 
bwdill said:
No I agree, but at the same time people have to use this product the way it was intended to be used.

An increase in protein would normally result in nothin but added calories, BUT while taking laxogenin it may just be the key to success.
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Again key words "But" or "small" margin. It is not a 100% sure factor.
Again the best way to run ANY product is making no dietary or training changes. Then when you notice anything happening you can 100% state its the supplement. Because it is SUPPLEMENTING no changes to your dietary and training routine.

You can run it as you wish, that is just the most optimal way to give pure honesty and feedback. When you manipulate too many variables (training and nutrition) it can skew the feedback of the product and the end result.
 
The Solution said:
Your still missing the point being "But" or "small" margin. It is not a 100% sure factor.
Again the best way to run ANY product is making no dietary or training changes. Then when you notice anything happening you can 100% state its the supplement. Because it is SUPPLEMENTING no changes to your dietary and training routine.

Endurnace, performance, Pump, Strength, Mirror Change, Scale Change you can directly correlate it to the supplement and not the change in your dietary protocol or training protocol.

making those dietary changes or training changes can skew the final outcome. Just like people who try and stack multiple products and then decide what is giving them the proper feedback. Almost hard to be 100% honest.
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Again, I agree but you are completely abandoning the point I am trying to make - what is the reason for everyone applying to a product called "BRAWN" that's benefits are solely noted around building muscle and doubling the rate of protein synthesis? This product is very promising, and laxogenin is a very beneficial ingredient. BUT taking this product and not increasing muscle stimulation frequency and/or protein intake would be like someone logging a Preworkout but putting it in a 1gallon jug of water and sipping on it all day - the results would be diluted and the product would not have been used as it was intended.

Don't get me wrong, there will still be benefits from this product if nothing changes, but I don't believe that the results would be optimal. This product IMO is targeted more to a synergistic effect, that would result from a higher protein diet (1.5g/lb or more) and what would that benefit if you don't take advantage of better recovery and growth by increasing frequency or volume?
 
bwdill said:
Again, I agree but you are completely abandoning the point I am trying to make - what is the reason for everyone applying to a product called "BRAWN" that's benefits are solely noted around building muscle and doubling the rate of protein synthesis? This product is very promising, and laxogenin is a very beneficial ingredient. BUT taking this product and not increasing muscle stimulation frequency and/or protein intake would be like someone logging a Preworkout but putting it in a 1gallon jug of water and sipping on it all day - the results would be diluted and the product would not have been used as it was intended.
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1) nobody is dumb enough to sip on a pre-workout all day
2) comparing a pre-workout category product to a laxo/muscle building agent is comparing apples to oranges.
3) most people are eating 1g/lb of protein. Therefore they will still get the benefits of the product, and that is more then enough for most athletes on here that are not using anabolics.

You can always modify your macros and not calories (ie subtract carbs/fat and place more for protein) which would be more ideal if you think that would help with increasing protein synthesis. Which again was the main point I am getting at on not changing your nutrition (calories).

Growth and recover does not come from an increase in volume in all circumstances. 90% of gym trainees could make much more impressive gains focusing on increasing their intensity. Anyone can train in a gym for 2 hours at suboptimal RPE levels and pump out tons of sets. That does not always indicate growth or proper muscle stimulation.

What I am saying is if you keep your Training the same, and you start to notice enhanced recovery and better performance then you can clearly signify this product is attributing to that aspect.
If someone just adds 10-15 more sets and they don't see any change during their run, then their feedback was
"oh this product did not work. I tried to add a ton of volume and see if it would help me and it did not."

Running 1 bottle with everything the same, and then trying a 2nd with an increased caloric intake and increased training volume would be ideal. This way you can see if changing some variables enhances your experience.
 
You win, discussion over. You took everything I said and flipped it around.

Like I said, I understand what you are saying. I just don't think you are understanding what I am saying.
 
Bps is the real deal. I've ran androcrine, epidrone, convert and I've got a bottle of brawn waiting after a run of the epidrone. Awesome stuff
 
Cscott622 said:
Bps is the real deal. I've ran androcrine, epidrone, convert and I've got a bottle of brawn waiting after a run of the epidrone. Awesome stuff
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I'd stack BRAWN with EPIDRONE!!! Laxogenin+epicatechin is a solid stack.
 
To all the guys logging for us:
I apologise if I don't respond in a timely manner this week. I am in Prescott Valley just N of Phoenix putting up a house so my time on here is very limited.
 
I may not be logging however I'm on day 3 of Brawn. I have 4 bottles of Androcrine left. My plan I have implemented is 2 pump's Androcrine on inside of Arms , shoulders,or chest and 2 caps BRAWN with lunch or Dinner. BPS thoughts ?Invalid Link Removed
 
limitless_ said:
I may not be logging however I'm on day 3 of Brawn. I have 4 bottles of Androcrine left. My plan I have implemented is 2 pump's Androcrine on inside of Arms , shoulders,or chest and 2 caps BRAWN with lunch or Dinner. BPS thoughts ?Invalid Link Removed
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You would probably be fine with 1 cap of BRAWN. All results studied for laxogenin were with 50-100mg doses.

I would take 1 cap per day and then up it to 2 later down the road.
 
bwdill said:
You would probably be fine with 1 cap of BRAWN. All results studied for laxogenin were with 50-100mg doses.

I would take 1 cap per day and then up it to 2 later down the road.
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Ok going to go that route instead plus 2 pump's Androcrine should put me at around 140mg give or take
 
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