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Bombing your HDL on orals

Dma378 said:
Very cool. I have to say that at first 100mg would give me a little flush. I would start there, 3x/day

Gradually upped to where I am now, which is still on the low end, 800

Its relatively cheap, but can start to get pricey if you were to really take 3000mg/day!!

Think I'll stick to around 1000-1200. A couple good flushes a day.

Pretty good site I get a lot of my vitamins and support supps from:

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Price on things like Taurine and Hawthorne Berry are pretty good here too.
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I actually ordered mine from iherb haha. I go to those guys quite a bit.
Thanks for the dosing info. I'll definitely be starting low.
 
The active in Heart Help does really good at keeping HDL up, or raising it when lowered.. Def worth a look IMO, srs.
 
Punkrocker said:
You wanna talk professionalism? When I first got on HRT with him I had high estradiol symptoms without knowing what they meant because I was a newbie. I was anxious, snappy, I had vertigo and just generally felt awful. I call him and tell him what was happening and he gets mad at me and tells me I need to see a shrink. After reading a bunch of info i went and got a hormone panel done and found out my estradiol was 101 which was causing my super anxiety. I contacted him and told him what was up and he was like "whoa. You were growing a vagina" lol. Now that I have educated myself, I ask, he supplies. But god forbid I have some side effects cause he won't do anything about it lol
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sorry you had to deal with that....hindsight being 20/20 its kinda of hilarious.

In some ways i envy your position: most of us become quite adapt in areas of study regarding hormones.. but not all of us have a good 'source'
 
Yes it is cool to have a good source but it sucks because the price is extremely high compared to the stuff you could buy at the gym. But at least you know that what you are putting into your body is absolutely real and sterile. Oh well Money Talks
 
kboxer7 said:
Not to step on his toes but I'll answer since I came across this in passing. GW induces profibrogenic connective tissue growth factor, thus leading to increased liver fibrosis as your liver repairs itself from damage.
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Does this also mean that GW is liver toxic if your liver is in good shape to begin with?
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
I've done a few trials with and without certain ingredients. My one LGD cycle without heart support my Cholesterol was-
Pre Cycle-
Total- 132
HDL-70
LDL-62

On cycle-
Total Cholesterol- 144
HDL-23
LDL- 121

Post cycle( 2 months after cycle 1 month after PCT)
Total Cholesterol- 137
HDL-67
LDL- 70

WIth Antaeus Labs Talos V2

(LGD with both cycles, both 8 weeks both 2 weeks 8 mg 2 weeks 12 mg 4 weeks 16 mg)

Pre Cycle
Total Cholesterol- 146
HDL- 76
LDL- 70

Intra Cycle(with talos)
Total Cholesterol- 150
HDL- 62
LDL- 88
Post Cycle- (Continued talos into PCT)
Total Cholesterol- 141
HDL- 86
LDL-55

As you can see it mitigated some of the on cycle damage and actually made my numbers better post cycle than pre cycle, i also have genetically low TC but as you can see I am affected the same as everyone else, and i've done trials with other supplements (Ai sports life support, original Talos, Black yeast rice) and Talos V2 worked best for me, can dig up bloods to post if need be, i just keep logs of every cycle and my hormonal profile through out written down in microsoft X-cel
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This is great, thanks for sharing! two questions - how did you dose it, and did you notice whether it helped with your liver enzymes too? I read it's supposed to support liver function as well as cholesterol.
 
Intense cardio a month before your cycle will help bring your HDL up. This can help carry you through the cycle.

A Choline and inositol (cleanse) a month before your cycle isn't a bad idea either. This combo is one of the strongest for forcing fats in the liver to release. It may temporarily raise your blood glucose and triglycerides while on it, can also give you the runs, but freeing up the liver of fats helps it's overall health tremendously. Sometimes recommended post cycle if you're bulking hardcore as most bulkers tend to overeat and have a higher chance of increasing liver fat while on cycle.

As tempting as GW is, I play a lot of sports, I personally won't touch it. Punkrocker's list is pretty solid.
 
migseattle said:
Does this also mean that GW is liver toxic if your liver is in good shape to begin with?
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It's not liver toxic at all.

What the study showed was that SHOULD your liver need to repair itself (such as after intense training, alcohol, etc), the addition of GW caused increased fibrosis during repair.

Personally I wouldn't take GW while on orals. Also wouldn't drink while on it.
 
kboxer7 said:
It's not liver toxic at all.

What the study showed was that SHOULD your liver need to repair itself (such as after intense training, alcohol, etc), the addition of GW caused increased fibrosis during repair.

Personally I wouldn't take GW while on orals. Also wouldn't drink while on it.
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Its not liver toxic, but its liver toxic? sounds like its a terrible idea ever using it for anyone who does any training. Can't say I have read the study you are referring to though.
 
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