Actually a friend of mine is using those and he says he is getting nothing from them except for the fact that he constantly has to piss. My friend has been on gh for several years so I trust his judgment in terms of supplments effects on his own body; he is an amatuer bb'er. Most gh produces some side effects of varying degrees: CTS, water retention, gyno (sometimes), fat loss, injury repair, skin improvements, thickening of hair, increased energy, etc. If you dont see any of these after 4-6 wks then you are not running gh.
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