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[Hesabaadman]

Currently on 100 test and 500 hcg a week. I feel amazing except not interested in sex and soft erections. Not even watching porn. Total test at 7.80 my/ml total estrogens 81.30 pg/ml and free test at 33.20 pg/ml. Obvious androgen to estrogen ratio problem. How should I approach this? Just started playing with hcg and test and wanna hit the sweet spot. Should I do 25 mg test e m/w/f and keep hcg the same? Or will my e2 still be too high? Or maybe add proviron? Or how about keep test at 50 mg twice a week and lower the hcg? Interested in suggestions as I’m just hitting the personal learning curve with hcg

 

[Smont]

Exemestane would be my choice. Hcg Jack's up your estrogen, try adding 12.5mg of Exemestane once or twice a week

 

[Hesabaadman]

Exemestane would be my choice. Hcg Jack's up your estrogen, try adding 12.5mg of Exemestane once or twice a week

I only use aromasin anyways but I would prefer to just lower dose instead of going the ai route. Besides I heard ais won’t have any effect on intratesticular aromatase activity?

 

[Hyde]

I only use aromasin anyways but I would prefer to just lower dose instead of going the ai route. Besides I heard ais won’t have any effect on intratesticular aromatase activity?

But they will significantly reduce aromatization of the exogenous testosterone you’re injecting elsewhere. Gotta look at the big picture here guy.

I mean you could try microdosing 14-15mg test/day to lower aromatization due to less spikes in test…but now you just added 5 slinpins per week, which is a literal pain in the ass and also do increase chance of infection from a shot.

If you add Proviron, that tends to have a negative impact on lipids over time…same as using an AI, or adding a different DHT like Masteron. No free lunches.

If you don’t want to use an AI, don’t take the HCG. More drugs you take, generally more intervention is required to keep things happy.

 

[Hesabaadman]

But they will significantly reduce aromatization of the exogenous testosterone you’re injecting elsewhere. Gotta look at the big picture here guy.

I mean you could try microdosing 14-15mg test/day to lower aromatization due to less spikes in test…but now you just added 5 slinpins per week, which is a literal pain in the ass and also do increase chance of infection from a shot.

If you add Proviron, that tends to have a negative impact on lipids over time…same as using an AI, or adding a different DHT like Masteron. No free lunches.

If you don’t want to use an AI, don’t take the HCG. More drugs you take, generally more intervention is required to keep things happy.

Is having almost no aromatizing from the injected test and only from the hcg going to help with my androgen to estrogen ratio? Not being smart with you at all but just wondering. I was under the impression that if the only test that was aromatizing was from hcg I wouldn’t much a satisfactory amount of androgens available. I was going to try 25 mg m/w/f for 75 total test and 500 hcg. Do you suggest I just take 6.25 exemestane biweekly instead?

 

[Smont]

Jesus christ lol

YOU NEED........ A AI, take a small dose and wait a few days, if it dosent work take another dose


Or eliminate the cause, HCG

 

[Hypnotic traveling]

Jesus christ lol

YOU NEED........ A AI, take a small dose and wait a few days, if it dosent work take another dose


Or eliminate the cause, HCG

I agree with above, either eliminate the cause or treat the symptom. Walking around with a limp dick, moon face, and the capacity to break down in tears at any moment certainly doesn’t seem like a reasonable option.

 

[PhantomReaper]

Better to eliminate the cause than to keep adding compounds to counteract the problem..
Like Smout,I don't understand..!!
Z...

 

[Hyde]

Is having almost no aromatizing from the injected test and only from the hcg going to help with my androgen to estrogen ratio? Not being smart with you at all but just wondering. I was under the impression that if the only test that was aromatizing was from hcg I wouldn’t much a satisfactory amount of androgens available. I was going to try 25 mg m/w/f for 75 total test and 500 hcg. Do you suggest I just take 6.25 exemestane biweekly instead?

Fair question - yes it certainly will increase the androgen side of your androgen/estrogen ratio.

I would not lower test to 75/wk but keep HCG and expect a real improvement. And yes, keeping things as they are but adding the low dose of Exem twice per week will help.

You need to ask yourself why you don’t want to use an AI, and why you want to use HCG. Obviously HCG as it stands is NOT helping your libido in this scenario. Having slightly larger cumshots or testicles isn’t that useful if you don’t want/enjoy sex. So potential improvements in fertility is the only valid use case. If this is the absolute priority, take the HCG and use a bit of Exemestane.

If you struggle with keeping lipid profile in range, using the AI can make this harder - but do you even have a lipid problem? Is absolute longterm cardiovascular health a bigger priority, or potentially easier time reproducing?

There is not even enough conclusive research that slightly skewed lipid profile is even a huge risk factor for cardiovascular events. There are other things like your genetics, lipoprotein a and such, bodyweight & overall diet/lifestyle that probably matter more than HDL & LDL. Insulin levels & metabolic health certainly matter more. And there are plenty of guys on huge amounts of anabolics for many years with no HCG who get women knocked up, or who can blast HCG for a few months and get fertile again if they lost their sperm count.

 

[Hesabaadman]

Fair question - yes it certainly will increase the androgen side of your androgen/estrogen ratio.

I would not lower test to 75/wk but keep HCG and expect a real improvement. And yes, keeping things as they are but adding the low dose of Exem twice per week will help.

You need to ask yourself why you don’t want to use an AI, and why you want to use HCG. Obviously HCG as it stands is NOT helping your libido in this scenario. Having slightly larger cumshots or testicles isn’t that useful if you don’t want/enjoy sex. So potential improvements in fertility is the only valid use case. If this is the absolute priority, take the HCG and use a bit of Exemestane.

If you struggle with keeping lipid profile in range, using the AI can make this harder - but do you even have a lipid problem? Is absolute longterm cardiovascular health a bigger priority, or potentially easier time reproducing?

There is not even enough conclusive research that slightly skewed lipid profile is even a huge risk factor for cardiovascular events. There are other things like your genetics, lipoprotein a and such, bodyweight & overall diet/lifestyle that probably matter more than HDL & LDL. Insulin levels & metabolic health certainly matter more. And there are plenty of guys on huge amounts of anabolics for many years with no HCG who get women knocked up, or who can blast HCG for a few months and get fertile again if they lost their sperm count.

Actually the reason why I wish to keep hcg is I actually feel a lot better. On just 100 test I feel emotionally flat and almost like I don’t care how others feel. On hcg I’m alot warmer and want to go and socialize whereas I did not have that before. My plan is to just use up a vial after every cycle before returning to a cruise. For the record I’ve never felt this good if my e2 was higher than 40. I personally don’t like running ai because I crash my e2 far too easily so I never take more than 6.25 unless I absolutely need it. Would you suggest I smash a 6.25 or 12.5? I can’t afford to crash my e2 so I gotta be conservative. Thanks for the substantiated and helpful response. Sometimes I don’t exactly get the answer I need or the answer I’m looking for either.

 

[Smont]

Actually the reason why I wish to keep hcg is I actually feel a lot better. On just 100 test I feel emotionally flat and almost like I don’t care how others feel. On hcg I’m alot warmer and want to go and socialize whereas I did not have that before. My plan is to just use up a vial after every cycle before returning to a cruise. For the record I’ve never felt this good if my e2 was higher than 40. I personally don’t like running ai because I crash my e2 far too easily so I never take more than 6.25 unless I absolutely need it. Would you suggest I smash a 6.25 or 12.5? I can’t afford to crash my e2 so I gotta be conservative. Thanks for the substantiated and helpful response. Sometimes I don’t exactly get the answer I need or the answer I’m looking for either.

I can tell you that the high estrogen from the hcg is what is making a lot warmer and friendlier. Once you lower your estrogen, regardless of how you lower it, that feel good effect of hcg will be gone. You gotta find the line where your estrogen is low enough to function good down south but high enough to meet your emotional needs.

You could probably cut the hcg, and slightly raise your testosterone dose and kill 2 birds with one stone

 

[Hyde]

Actually the reason why I wish to keep hcg is I actually feel a lot better. On just 100 test I feel emotionally flat and almost like I don’t care how others feel. On hcg I’m alot warmer and want to go and socialize whereas I did not have that before. My plan is to just use up a vial after every cycle before returning to a cruise. For the record I’ve never felt this good if my e2 was higher than 40. I personally don’t like running ai because I crash my e2 far too easily so I never take more than 6.25 unless I absolutely need it. Would you suggest I smash a 6.25 or 12.5? I can’t afford to crash my e2 so I gotta be conservative. Thanks for the substantiated and helpful response. Sometimes I don’t exactly get the answer I need or the answer I’m looking for either.

I think you know the answer to that based on what you told me - you’d start with just 6.25, because you believe it lowers sharply for you AND you don’t want a big drop.

However, like @Smont said, don’t expect the mood to be the same when you pull that estro down. So in the end, HCG like this probably doesn’t make that much sense for you. I mean unless you’re not in a sexual relationship currently and don’t mind the total disinterest. But I would argue that’s not exactly mentally healthy, because humans are socially designed to thrive on that aspect of companionship on some level.

I’m not a doctor, but apparently I pretend I am on the internet

 

[gphagan1]

I think you know the answer to that based on what you told me - you’d start with just 6.25, because you believe it lowers sharply for you AND you don’t want a big drop.

However, like @Smont said, don’t expect the mood to be the same when you pull that estro down. So in the end, HCG like this probably doesn’t make that much sense for you. I mean unless you’re not in a sexual relationship currently and don’t mind the total disinterest. But I would argue that’s not exactly mentally healthy, because humans are socially designed to thrive on that aspect of companionship on some level.

I’m not a doctor, but apparently I pretend I am on the internet

You are hereby certified a Doctor of Internet Bros….

 

[Mikereyn513]

You are hereby certified a Doctor of Internet Bros….
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[Hyde]

You are hereby certified a Doctor of Internet Bros….
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Lmao now that’s funny; I’ll have to bust that one out whenever I need to validate my credentials.

 

[gphagan1]

Lmao now that’s funny; I’ll have to bust that one out whenever I need to validate my credentials.

I’ll print it out and mail it to you.