Bloods - Prolactin advice in particular

[BritCitFutsie]

Hi again - sorry for another thread so soon after my alcohol one but this is totally different topic. A set of on-cycle blood results for a test I did last week have just come back and in particular I am worried about the prolactin... Mine was already high before this cycle began and it has gotten higher since (figures attached).
I was pleased to see estradiol was lowish but normal as I had been feeling itchy/hot nips and began taking formestane and ATD thinking it was oestrogen related, but don't want to crash my oestrogen totally... But maybe the itchiness was more the high prolactin?

I already take 2*Inhibit-p per day since noting the high prolactin last bloods.. maybe I need 3 a day?

I have also been searching on here and see some guys recommend XPG Xtreme Performance Gels Alpha Gel.. maybe I'll try that too.

Cycle is Halodrol (75mg) and androtest (250-375mg). Am over 4 weeks in to 6 weeks cycle..
Am thinking of just dropping the Androtest now maybe it doesn't agree with me.

Any thoughts on these ideas or any others? Cheers

 

[Smont]

I dont have a solution, but do you have any prolactin sides? Hows your stress levels and do you take any meds that effect dopamine. Psych meds espically.

 

[BritCitFutsie]

I dont have a solution, but do you have any prolactin sides? Hows your stress levels and do you take any meds that effect dopamine. Psych meds espically.

Sides .. not so much, I mean I guess I'm not very horny particularly given I'm taking Androtest which you'd think would have an effect on sex drive?
I mean I can function if I need to theres no ED, I just don't have much desire.

Stress levels probably have been high... Life is stressful tbh 2 kids, 2 jobs... and I've struggled with anxiety disorders... I was on venlafaxine (antidepressant) until a couple of months ago when I took myself off it because I was concerned i read it can raise estrogen which I thought would be counterproductive for physique improvement, and also cos I was planning this and further cycles so wanted to get off venlafaxine as it was another compound to add stress to my organs. Also other side effects were frustrating. So I am not currently on antidepressants but have been fairly recently.

Other than that, no hair loss or other things I think can be symptoms of high prolactin.

 

[sns8778]

Hi again - sorry for another thread so soon after my alcohol one but this is totally different topic. A set of on-cycle blood results for a test I did last week have just come back and in particular I am worried about the prolactin... Mine was already high before this cycle began and it has gotten higher since (figures attached).
I was pleased to see estradiol was lowish but normal as I had been feeling itchy/hot nips and began taking formestane and ATD thinking it was oestrogen related, but don't want to crash my oestrogen totally... But maybe the itchiness was more the high prolactin?

I already take 2*Inhibit-p per day since noting the high prolactin last bloods.. maybe I need 3 a day?

I have also been searching on here and see some guys recommend XPG Xtreme Performance Gels Alpha Gel.. maybe I'll try that too.

Cycle is Halodrol (75mg) and androtest (250-375mg). Am over 4 weeks in to 6 weeks cycle..
Am thinking of just dropping the Androtest now maybe it doesn't agree with me.

Any thoughts on these ideas or any others? Cheers

I'm sorry to hear that you're having some issues from your cycle, whatever they turn out to be because of.

You said that your prolactin was already high before you started your cycle - what was it before you started?

830 is extremely high, but it would be helpful to know what it was beforehand in order to see how much this cycle has increased it.

Also, why do you feel that it was high to begin with?
Because of a previous cycle? If so, what?

I want to make sure that I understand correctly - you are 4 weeks into a Halodrol and Androtest cycle?
You said that you were taking Formestane and ATD - when did you start, for how long, and are you still taking?

You could go up to 3 capsules of Inhibit-P in your situation if you'd like to.

XPG Alpha Gel is commonly used to help support testosterone levels and libido on cycle and to help control estrogen, so you could definitely add it in if you wanted. I think it goes great with most cycles.

One thing that comes to mind is that the reality is that in today's world - a lot of ph's, sarm's, research chemicals aren't actually what they're supposed to be, and that always is one of the first thoughts I have when someone has side effects of things, results from things, or lack of certain results from certain things when they don't line up.

Sides .. not so much, I mean I guess I'm not very horny particularly given I'm taking Androtest which you'd think would have an effect on sex drive?
I mean I can function if I need to theres no ED, I just don't have much desire.

Stress levels probably have been high... Life is stressful tbh 2 kids, 2 jobs... and I've struggled with anxiety disorders... I was on venlafaxine (antidepressant) until a couple of months ago when I took myself off it because I was concerned i read it can raise estrogen which I thought would be counterproductive for physique improvement, and also cos I was planning this and further cycles so wanted to get off venlafaxine as it was another compound to add stress to my organs. Also other side effects were frustrating. So I am not currently on antidepressants but have been fairly recently.

Other than that, no hair loss or other things I think can be symptoms of high prolactin.

The more I read, the more I think that you may have more than one issue going on here.

Venlafaxine can have an effect on estrogen and testosterone, but may also have an effect on prolactin.

Personal opinion - I wouldn't even consider a future AAS/ph/sarm cycle of anything until you get things figured out and you levels within normal range because you prolactin levels are extremely high, and its very important to figure out if its drug related or if there is an underlying medical condition causing it.

 

[BritCitFutsie]

Hi

I'm sorry to hear that you're having some issues from your cycle, whatever they turn out to be because of.

You said that your prolactin was already high before you started your cycle - what was it before you started?

830 is extremely high, but it would be helpful to know what it was beforehand in order to see how much this cycle has increased it.

Also, why do you feel that it was high to begin with?
Because of a previous cycle? If so, what?

I want to make sure that I understand correctly - you are 4 weeks into a Halodrol and Androtest cycle?
You said that you were taking Formestane and ATD - when did you start, for how long, and are you still taking?

You could go up to 3 capsules of Inhibit-P in your situation if you'd like to.

XPG Alpha Gel is commonly used to help support testosterone levels and libido on cycle and to help control estrogen, so you could definitely add it in if you wanted. I think it goes great with most cycles.

One thing that comes to mind is that the reality is that in today's world - a lot of ph's, sarm's, research chemicals aren't actually what they're supposed to be, and that always is one of the first thoughts I have when someone has side effects of things, results from things, or lack of certain results from certain things when they don't line up.



The more I read, the more I think that you may have more than one issue going on here.

Venlafaxine can have an effect on estrogen and testosterone, but may also have an effect on prolactin.

Personal opinion - I wouldn't even consider a future AAS/ph/sarm cycle of anything until you get things figured out and you levels within normal range because you prolactin levels are extremely high, and its very important to figure out if its drug related or if there is an underlying medical condition causing it.

Hi SNS
Ok so the recent history goes like this...
I began considering PH again about a year ago (before then I hadn't touched them for over a decade)

- In autumn 2023 I ran just some 11-oxo to test it out and as a very mild return. That seemed fine. I was on venlafaxine at that point.

- prolactin in jan 2024 blood test was 248 (within normal). I was still on venlafaxine.

I then around Feb-March 2024 ran Epistane and 11-oxo. I was weaning myself down off venlafaxine dose over this time.

- early May 2024 blood test prolactin was high at 633... By then I was completely off venlafaxine.

From mid-May 2024 I have been on Halodrol and androtest and we are now where we are, coming to the last week of 6 week cycle of those 2 and the latest blood test shows even higher prolactin at 830.


You're probably right I should sort this before I do any more.. and I might as well stop the cycle now rather than carrying it on for another week.

So from tomorrow I plan to stop the halodrol and the Androtest, and then commence PCT which will also include more inhibit-P, Prolactrone (never tried this), tribulus, vitamin B6, vitamin E plus zinc .. as I have read all these things help with prolactin. The cycle has been ok but I'm worrying so much about the prolactin now it's probably counterproductive at this point.

If I test again after maybe a month off-cycle and it's no better I guess I need to talk to Dr?

This is my current plan anyway. Thank you


[Edit: oh yes the formestane and ATD.. I had begun just with 1x formestane as a precaution as I know Androtest can aromatise but I increased it and added ATD when I began noticing itchy/hot nips and became paranoid... Though the latest bloods show my estrogen was ok it might more likely be the prolactin. But if I'm stopping the cycle tomorrow anyway then I guess whether I would continue ATD and formestane on cycle is a moot point. ]

[EDIT - 2! I've remembered I do sometimes take codeine based painkillers ... I had them quite regularly though April and May but hadnt had many in June though I did have them the days before that blood test. Some places say opiate painkillers (of which codeine is one) can also influence prolactin. Everything in the world seems to increase prolactin ]

 

[sns8778]

Hi


Hi SNS
Ok so the recent history goes like this...
I began considering PH again about a year ago (before then I hadn't touched them for over a decade)

- In autumn 2023 I ran just some 11-oxo to test it out and as a very mild return. That seemed fine. I was on venlafaxine at that point.

- prolactin in jan 2024 blood test was 248 (within normal). I was still on venlafaxine.

I then around Feb-March 2024 ran Epistane and 11-oxo. I was weaning myself down off venlafaxine dose over this time.

- early May 2024 blood test prolactin was high at 633... By then I was completely off venlafaxine.

From mid-May 2024 I have been on Halodrol and androtest and we are now where we are, coming to the last week of 6 week cycle of those 2 and the latest blood test shows even higher prolactin at 830.


You're probably right I should sort this before I do any more.. and I might as well stop the cycle now rather than carrying it on for another week.

So from tomorrow I plan to stop the halodrol and the Androtest, and then commence PCT which will also include more inhibit-P, Prolactrone (never tried this), tribulus, vitamin B6, vitamin E plus zinc .. as I have read all these things help with prolactin. The cycle has been ok but I'm worrying so much about the prolactin now it's probably counterproductive at this point.

If I test again after maybe a month off-cycle and it's no better I guess I need to talk to Dr?

This is my current plan anyway. Thank you


[Edit: oh yes the formestane and ATD.. I had begun just with 1x formestane as a precaution as I know Androtest can aromatise but I increased it and added ATD when I began noticing itchy/hot nips and became paranoid... Though the latest bloods show my estrogen was ok it might more likely be the prolactin. But if I'm stopping the cycle tomorrow anyway then I guess whether I would continue ATD and formestane on cycle is a moot point. ]

[EDIT - 2! I've remembered I do sometimes take codeine based painkillers ... I had them quite regularly though April and May but hadnt had many in June though I did have them the days before that blood test. Some places say opiate painkillers (of which codeine is one) can also influence prolactin. Everything in the world seems to increase prolactin ]

Thank you for the detailed information.

Here's kind of what I think is the critical points for the timeline:

• You had a baseline for a normal prolactin level in January 2024 of 248.
• It seems like you first issue with increased prolactin was after your Epistane/11-OXO cycle and weaning off venlafaxine, as you had a early May 2024 test where prolactin was 633 - which was over double the text just 5 months prior.
  • For future reference - you should never ever start any anabolic cycle when your bloodwork is already that off.
• You started Halodrol and Androtest and less than 2 months later you're at 830, which is over triple what your prolactin was 6 months ago.

My thoughts:

• Too many ph's in too shot of a period of time.
  • Length of cycle + length of PCT = total time off between cycles; and that's IF your bloodwork is good.
• You absolutely shouldn't even consider another ph of any type until this is figured out and your bloodwork is normal.
• I would not add the other prolactin product you mentioned on top of Inhibit-P.
• I doubt the pain killers contributed much, if anything to the prolactin issues.
• I think there's a good chance that something you think you've used wasn't what you really used - there are a lot of quality issues with ph's and research chemicals now days - and some of the ones that are cheap and commonly mixed with others can cause bigtime prolactin issues and it would seem to add up.

This is one of those times that I wish I could speak a little more freely than I normally do, because I have a pretty good idea what is going on, but I'm limited to what I can say because some would take it as me being disparaging to some ph and research chemical brands.

I would be glad to help you, but some of it would need to be a private conversation because I think your cause is unique to you, and also what I'd suggest to try to help you would be unique for you and isn't something I'd want to see other people replicating necessarily. Your levels are very, very high - higher than many people's normally will ever get.

I want to preface this with we're here on a supplement/anabolic forum and we are figuring that your levels likely have to do with your anabolic cycle, but I'll be honest with you and tell you that your levels are dangerously high and could be a sign of a serious medical condition. Let's hope not, but its very possible.

If you want to try to get them down naturally, you're welcome to pm me and I'll give you my contact info and be glad to try to help.