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Blood exams after enclo

PARASXOS

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Hey all. Id appreciate some advice.

I am on enclo 12.5 eod, after my pct i kept going with it . My bloods today were test 980 estrogen 72 shbg 53.


I was thinking of using boron for the shgb and maybe something like dim or arimistane to help regulate the high estrogen. It would be nice to be around 45-50.

Any opinions on these?
 
Before you try suppressing the Est- how do you feel. Any side effects currently like water retention, bloating, Gynecomastia or lowered libido?

Boron can lower SHBG, which would theoretically free up more active testosterone. Downside is potentially leading to even more aromatization into estrogen.

If your feeling great then no reason to adjust
Remember you want to treat the symptoms not the paperwork :)
 
Thanks for your answer. No gynecomastia, little bloat and lower libido yea.

Difficult to understand if its from the high estrogen though, or something totally different, hence why id like to try to lower them . But i DONT want to obliterate them.

Yea about shbg didnt think about boron increasing even more the estr...
 
PARASXOS said:
Hey all. Id appreciate some advice.

I am on enclo 12.5 eod, after my pct i kept going with it . My bloods today were test 980 estrogen 72 shbg 53.


I was thinking of using boron for the shgb and maybe something like dim or arimistane to help regulate the high estrogen. It would be nice to be around 45-50.

Any opinions on these?
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How long ago did your PCT end

For men, boron typically raises free t and lowers estrogen or has a negligible effect, but in some people it does raise estrogen it's just less likely from my understanding.

Also, arimistane doesn't lower my estrogen a single point and dim helps manage hormone balance, but dim typically does NOT lower estrogen.

If PCT was recently completed, just give it some time and it should come down
 
PARASXOS said:
Hey all. Id appreciate some advice.

I am on enclo 12.5 eod, after my pct i kept going with it . My bloods today were test 980 estrogen 72 shbg 53.


I was thinking of using boron for the shgb and maybe something like dim or arimistane to help regulate the high estrogen. It would be nice to be around 45-50.

Any opinions on these?
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You didn't test free testosterone or better yet bioavailable testosterone?
 
Smont said:
How long ago did your PCT end

For men, boron typically raises free t and lowers estrogen or has a negligible effect, but in some people it does raise estrogen it's just less likely from my understanding.

Also, arimistane doesn't lower my estrogen a single point and dim helps manage hormone balance, but dim typically does NOT lower estrogen.

If PCT was recently completed, just give it some time and it should come down
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Since middle September if i remember correctly, more or less.
 
PARASXOS said:
Free testosterone (measured) 13.71 pg/mL
Laboratory reference range 4.81–22.42 pg/mL
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That's pretty darn good in my opinion. I don't see anything wrong with your blood work. Boron and Dim won't hurt but honestly that level of E isn't crazy if you aren't symptomatic. I feel better with mine a little high vs low. Your free test looks good too. If you can get them to run bioavailable it's an even better measure. You essentially have 3 "pools" of test. 1) bound by SHBG not useable 2) free T and 3) Weakly bound by albumin all of which is useable by your body. Bioavailable gives you the total of 2/3
 
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