iparatroop
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Bwahahahaha, let us know how that goes. You might get fired from the program.
Blasting while on TRT
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Bwahahahaha, let us know how that goes. You might get fired from the program.
kisaj
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Actually, if you read around on here, the majority of patient's frustration is with not being allowed to inject. Also, keep in mind that mindset is changing quickly. I started this over 2 years ago and that is ages in TRT with how far doctors have come.
If you actually have a doctor that allows you to self inject, you are in the minority and should consider yourself lucky.
iparatroop
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Oh, no, I get it and I've heard/read about the experience that others have had/are having. I consider myself very fortunate to have been referred to the endo that I'm seeing. He didn't want to do the gel because it's expensive, messy and because of the bio-availability. The orals were out of the question for him d/t bio-avail and possible liver issues. He actually suggested injections as the best possible outcome and I was already on that page. He even understands the peaks and valleys of the e2w inj cycle and is willing to adjust if as I feel necessary once we get to that point (I'm only three pins in). He already changed my prescription needles from 21x1 to 23x1 at my request because I was concerned about leakage.
I just find it weird that there's such a difference between docs and how they go about treating people. I know TRT is still on the newer end of the spectrum as far as medical treatments go, but damn, it doesn't seem all that difficult to me.
LMuscle
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That blows my mind, who would drive to their doc twice a week for a test shot? I'd probably just use the gel instead.
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iparatroop
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^^^she got bronchitis
kisaj
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Nobody would drive to a doc twice a week and I doubt there is a doc that would inject you twice a week. It's only once you get prescribed to self inject that you truly can customize your schedule to what works best. When you are at the mercy of the doc, you are just doing what you can to get as close to optimal, and that is usually just once a week- at best.
Remember that it is really those of us that self inject that have the luxury of injecting twice a week.
Remember that it is really those of us that self inject that have the luxury of injecting twice a week.
AnabolicHolic
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get your needles/syringes on your own, no need to conform to what they prescribe for you (like that harpoon LOL).
AnabolicHolic
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He thinks 500's is "optimal"????
threeFs
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He won't be my doc forever. And check your source post
iparatroop
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He already changed the prescription at my request, and I'm sure he'll do it again if 23x1 won't cut it for me. He's a pretty understanding dude. I pay nothing.
AnabolicHolic
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its just pins, and not a link or full name. I wouldn't call it sourcing, but rather assisting someone who is on legit trt find the proper equipment..... then again I'm not the sheriff here
he is the ghoul in the grim reaper outfit. Ok .....I thought about it and I'll change it LMFAO......
AnabolicHolic
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23g is not bad actually.....25g is better for quads and delts at least. But 23g for glutes is actually correct. I try to make it as thin and sharp and short as possible, not a needle fan (though not "scared of them" by any means).
iparatroop
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I've only stuck my quads. So easy and convenient.
threeFs
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I was rxd 21's for flute not because of of what it would do to me, but, as the nurse said, because its harder to draw out of smaller guages. F that, even with my insurance, its cheaper to obtain needles on my own. I draw with 18 and pin glute with 21x1.5"
I need a trt doc who lifts.......
I need a trt doc who lifts.......
lboston
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That sucks man. Same thing that happened to me. I think Erase may be good for TRT purposes, with smaller doses of test, but nothing more...at least that what bloodwork seems to show.
lboston
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Update:
Up to about 193 on the scale. That's about 14 pounds up from cycle low of 179. It's all lean mass so I'm enjoying that. My pants are fitting much larger in the waste, and my sleeves are still full ; )
Can't complain.
Been using aromasin at about 12.5mgs/ day or EOD, depending how I feel, for about 2.5 weeks. Libido is high, mood is good, and strength/ endurance is better than it's ever been.
Up to about 193 on the scale. That's about 14 pounds up from cycle low of 179. It's all lean mass so I'm enjoying that. My pants are fitting much larger in the waste, and my sleeves are still full ; )
Can't complain.
Been using aromasin at about 12.5mgs/ day or EOD, depending how I feel, for about 2.5 weeks. Libido is high, mood is good, and strength/ endurance is better than it's ever been.
LMuscle
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Nice! Have you tried Arimadex? I wonder which is better?
lboston
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I've never used Adex. Aromasin seemed to be a good fit as their is no risk of rebound estrogen and it is easier on lipids. Want to give Adex a go sometime though to compare.
AnabolicHolic
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thats a lot
but then again with those numbers maybe you need a "blast" of arimidex to drop the numbers, then taper it to normal dosing. Kind of like loading up on clomid but doing it with arimidex. But actually, may as well just pick a reasonable dosage and ride it out at that dosage. 1mg per day is not going to go over well for extended periods though I assure you.
lboston
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I've never used it, but Ive heard of guys running it aggressively to get things squared away. If you start to notice negative sides, just back off a bit.
iparatroop
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Honestly, is an 11:1 ratio of T to E that bad? I've never had high E or experienced the sides. I'm asking for knowledge, not to be a smart ass.
LMuscle
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I'll know better next time. I thought that since I wasn't experiencing any negative sides, then e2 shouldn't be too high.. Man was I wrong! I'm already feeling sore and crackly in my joints from that 1mg A-dex capsule lol
kisaj
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This is actually a very valid question, IMO. When they are using a range of 8-50, just as an example as each lab is different, they are also generally using a testosterone range of 250-850 (again, just an example). So, if you are blasting into the 1500+ range, I would fully expect that your e2 levels are going to increase accordingly. If you are walking around with 1500-2000 levels of testosterone, I don't see how you wouldn't expect to be seeing e2 levels in the 100 range.
iparatroop
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Even if your e2 levels are in the 100 range, if you aren't experiencing any adverse/ill/negative effects, why try to counter a number/figure if its not making you feel bad?
AnabolicHolic
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estrogen seems like it is actually quite conducive to muscle growth in the company of high test levels, since it seems when you crush your estrogen levels (with AI's or whatever) muscle growth is diminished as well as libido.....this is provided there are no adverse effects as you stated of course. I get gyno just by looking at estrogen results that high
God bless the people it does not affect whatsoever....kisaj
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I am agreeing with you. I hear more issues with guys trying to mess with their e2 levels than anything else and it is usually from crushing it. If someone isn't suffering from any gyno issues and aren't trying to kill someone, I wouldn't mess with it. Chasing numbers will drive you crazy.
Whacked
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Elevated levels of estrogen arre linked to prostate cancer. More and more research is coking out to support estrogen (not DHT) being the insulting agent.
With 1 out of every 3 men getting prostate cancer, be sure to add this to your decision making process related to A-I's and androgen use
With 1 out of every 3 men getting prostate cancer, be sure to add this to your decision making process related to A-I's and androgen use
AnabolicHolic
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Elevated levels of estrogen arre linked to prostate cancer. More and more research is coking out to support estrogen (not DHT) being the insulting agent.
With 1 out of every 3 men getting prostate cancer, be sure to add this to your decision making process related to A-I's and androgen use
Yeah I forgot about this tidbit. I suppose due to my age and long tenure in this game, its pretty much ingrained in my brain that DHT is the culprit. Just can't force myself to believe its estrogen, and it most likely is. I believe prostate cancer has a great deal to do with genetics though to be honest....more than the experts propose too. But I use estrogen control anyways, since I am prone to those sides regardless of androgen usage.
AnabolicHolic
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yeah looks pretty normal and standard issue for what you are doing.
bean5er
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Much more to it than how you feel or look.
Elevated levels of estrogen arre linked to prostate cancer. More and more research is coking out to support estrogen (not DHT) being the insulting agent.
With 1 out of every 3 men getting prostate cancer, be sure to add this to your decision making process related to A-I's and androgen use
Thanks Whacked I was just gettting ready to say the same thing.
threeFs
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Maybe...I guess you can't "feel" high cholesterol or some tumors so I do kind of agree
LMuscle
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I'm ending my 12 week blast early, only 8 weeks. Next week I won't inject at all, and the following week I'll start back on my regular trt dose of 100mg/week.
I gained 20lbs without being too religious about the amount of calories/protein I got, I lifted hard and heavy, but not as hard and heavy as I could have. No bloating, no side effects (other than a little irritability toward the end).
I'm pretty happy with the results, being that it's my first blast. I'll probably do 1-2 blasts a year, a 6-8 week blast is perfect for me.
I gained 20lbs without being too religious about the amount of calories/protein I got, I lifted hard and heavy, but not as hard and heavy as I could have. No bloating, no side effects (other than a little irritability toward the end).
I'm pretty happy with the results, being that it's my first blast. I'll probably do 1-2 blasts a year, a 6-8 week blast is perfect for me.
threeFs
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I always leave my end dates open ended. Sometimes it's just time to end, to feel normal again. I know the feeling. No shame in your cycle!!
kisaj
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Damn man. I would never think about running a blast.......until I just read this. lol. uh oh
lboston
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Update:
Blast is finished. Ended it at 10 weeks. Ended at 193.5, but @ 191 after one week off cycle. That's up 12 pounds from the cycle low of 179. I've lost noticeable mid section fat, and muscles are much harder/ denser feeling.
It's odd that I originally dropped like 9 lbs in the beginning, but I do think it was all unwanted weight.
Everyone at the gym; as well as some family; are asking me what I've been doing differently and telling me I look much bigger, so there is change. I think it's just hard to notice on ourselves.
Already trying to decide what I want to so next (if anything)...up it from 400mg to 500mg or try some mild prohormone of some kind.
Blast is finished. Ended it at 10 weeks. Ended at 193.5, but @ 191 after one week off cycle. That's up 12 pounds from the cycle low of 179. I've lost noticeable mid section fat, and muscles are much harder/ denser feeling.
It's odd that I originally dropped like 9 lbs in the beginning, but I do think it was all unwanted weight.
Everyone at the gym; as well as some family; are asking me what I've been doing differently and telling me I look much bigger, so there is change. I think it's just hard to notice on ourselves.
Already trying to decide what I want to so next (if anything)...up it from 400mg to 500mg or try some mild prohormone of some kind.
threeFs
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Sounds to me like it worked and results speak for themselves. Beware prohormones' methylation and their taxing effects on the liver, lipid values, and blood pressure, to name a few.
threeFs
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It's really kind of an estimated guess. I'd spend the $30 or whatever and get private labs done. You will get the results in 1-2 days. That way you guarantee you won't jeoperdize your TRT rx
but I would THINK you'd be safe at 6 weeks trt dosage
mkretz
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hey guys so ivebeen following this thrad like crazy and it was got me to try a blast....normally do 100mg one time a week test cyp.
I am thinking about doing 200mg 2x per week with one erase pro every day for estrogen purposes, how does this sound? Pin on tuesday and Saturday
I am thinking about doing 200mg 2x per week with one erase pro every day for estrogen purposes, how does this sound? Pin on tuesday and Saturday
threeFs
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Sounds great but I'd get a proper AI. I use exemestane. But if it's pro, you might be ok . I've used regular and pro and there's a noticeable difference with pro. Can't hurt to keep Exemestane on hand just in case.
mkretz
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might be a dumb question but where would I get the exemestane and how much ? Also do you think 1 erase pro per day would be enough? OR what about 200mg on tuesday and 100 on sat for only 300 a week? I wanna do as much as i can without sides lol............................how much would u increase cals, lets say u were already bulking before blasting how much would you increase calories and is there a preferred source (pro carbs fats)? Thanks alot!!!
threeFs
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Did you lose libido and erection integrity when blasting? I know I did and also blasting @ 500 felt better that @750. Good to be back, ain't it?