Blasting while on TRT

lexmuscle said:
Week 4 and I'm up 20lbs! I'm very happy with the results I'm getting, and no bloat! A little lethargy but that's about it!
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Dang man. That's crazy! Great to hear. I'm
Only up maybe 5 pounds. I don't know what I'm
Doing wrong man. Eating a ton and the only thing that seems to be getting much bigger is my gut!
 
kisaj said:
Jesus. 20lbs in 4 weeks?? I'm surprised your joints aren't hating you right now.
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Strange enough my joints have never felt better! After this blast I think I'll just maintain, I can see how fast results like this could easily get addicting/out of hand. Test is pretty freaking amazing!
 
Staring to feel pretty good boys. Been on liquid exemestane about 5 days now and actually steering to feel what I think a cycle should feel like. I'm guessing the erase wasn't quite doing enough as an AI?

Weight is up to about 192. My cycle low at week 3 was 179, so it's an approximately 11-13 pound gain depending on time of day.
It's strange how my weight dropped at first...however, when I incorporated another small meal during the day, it began to rise.

On week 9.
 
lboston said:
Staring to feel pretty good boys. Been on liquid exemestane about 5 days now and actually steering to feel what I think a cycle should feel like. I'm guessing the erase wasn't quite doing enough as an AI?
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This is what I have heard from others as well. Congrats!
 
lboston said:
Staring to feel pretty good boys. Been on liquid exemestane about 5 days now and actually steering to feel what I think a cycle should feel like. I'm guessing the erase wasn't quite doing enough as an AI?

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This is what I was getting to a couple pages back. Glad its working for you now.
 
lexmuscle said:
I'm getting bloods taken next week, so I'll find out if Erase is really doing anything.
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nice, I'd like to see what the difference is. I take one erase per day, but that is on only ~80-100mg of test per week. I'm doing my own "blast" right now....ok you guys are gonna laugh...but I'm doing a blast on androgel, saved up enough to do 6 weeks at 14-15 pumps (usually 9 pumps). Hey its more of a little "boost" than a blast lol, but its something constructive at least :D
 
AnabolicHolic said:
nice, I'd like to see what the difference is. I take one erase per day, but that is on only ~80-100mg of test per week. I'm doing my own "blast" right now....ok you guys are gonna laugh...but I'm doing a blast on androgel, saved up enough to do 6 weeks at 14-15 pumps (usually 9 pumps). Hey its more of a little "boost" than a blast lol, but its something constructive at least :D
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I use a few pumps of Androgel per week along with my 500mg test-e, it really keeps my sex drive going strong! Otherwise my sex drive is about average without it.
 
lexmuscle said:
I use a few pumps of Androgel per week along with my 500mg test-e, it really keeps my sex drive going strong! Otherwise my sex drive is about average without it.
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I was thinking of doing a blended/hybrid deal myself, smaller amounts of injected test....say about a 100mg per week (probably multiple weekly injections in small doses with slin pins in the delts), along with the full compliment of 8-10 pumps of androgel. I'm not so sure I trust my local "chemist" who makes the test, maybe I'll go to one of the anti-aging clinics and get the injectible there, and the gel Rx from my GP. I do like the idea of a combination of topical and injections, esp if it equals ~200mg per week. That might be a bit overboard for my tastes though as trt....150mg at 75/75 might work best at 8 pumps gel per day, and two 40mg injections per week.
 
Now that I'm starting to feel like I'm actually on cycle, it makes me want to take this out to 14 or 16 weeks....
 
kisaj said:
So you think the issue was that you simply had your e2 riding too high?
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I think it may have been. Also, my back was looking like a road map from some wicked bacne...that's also clearing up dramatically since I started the aromasin.

Like I mentioned above, makes me want to run the cycle a bit longer to see the gains start progressing quicker.

My stomach was starting to bloat up quite a bit, and that's also getting better.

If I wasn't such a cheap @ss, I might have to spring for more bloodwork!
 
I just discovered roidcalc. It approximates the amount of juice in your body by days according to half life. Looks like it will be about 4 weeks until my T returns to normal TRT level with no injects at all. Its only been 10 days...gonna be a long lonely waiting game.
 
threeFs said:
I just discovered roidcalc. It approximates the amount of juice in your body by days according to half life. Looks like it will be about 4 weeks until my T returns to normal TRT level with no injects at all. Its only been 10 days...gonna be a long lonely waiting game.
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So after blasting we should stop injections for an entire month?
 
I couldn't say, but I sure wouldn't be ending a blast 2-3 weeks out from a lab. Personally, if I were ever to do it, I'd run an 8 week, then taper down quickly to go back to TRT levels for 3-4 weeks. I normally go in for a script refill every 3 months, but it would be no big deal to push it out to 4.

Blast- 8 weeks
Taper- 4 weeks
Cruise- 4 weeks

Lab time.

I don't know, man. That is just what I would plan for if I were ever to give it a go.
 
Being on trt, shouldn't a blast be shorter than someone doing a cycle? I mean, the test is already built up in our systems to a high normal range, so reaching the top blast ng/dl number should be around week 2 instead of week 4 right?

I wonder if someone on trt would get the same results from an 8 week blast compared to a 12 week cycle of a non-trt user?
 
lexmuscle said:
Being on trt, shouldn't a blast be shorter than someone doing a cycle? I mean, the test is already built up in our systems to a high normal range, so reaching the top blast ng/dl number should be around week 2 instead of week 4 right?

I wonder if someone on trt would get the same results from an 8 week blast compared to a 12 week cycle of a non-trt user?
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I would guess that you're on to something. TRT guys are shut down, so anything added on top should be available quickly. "Normal" guys, when they start are both producing naturally and getting exogenous stuff added. When the neg feedback loop thing happens, and they get shut down, then they're relying only on the injections. For us, we're relying solely on injectables.
 
Good point. I know when I first started and we were playing around with dosage and intervals, we went to 200 ew for a couple months and I freaking blew up. I had already been on TRT for about 3-4 months, so my body was adjusted to being on it, and that extra just sent me over. I gained about 10-12lbs in those two months and just thickened up. I imagine it just took that little bit extra to push me over, whereas someone not on TRT has to wait those initial 5-6 weeks and take more.

I remember that I was on a bulk at the time as well and I topped around 220, which made me feel like a tank. I naturally look thicker than I weigh, but even my wife told me that was starting to look like a monster. That doesn't work for me.
 
Yeah, you were shut down, so your body reacted to the compound quicker. I think "normal" guys who blast, at around the time that natty test production shuts down probably start to feel it too, in an adverse sort of way. I wonder if that's where "test flu" comes from?
This leads me back to a thread that I started a while back about starting a test cycle at a low dose and tapering up to reduce sides. Hmmmm.
 
Yeah, but if you look at roidcalc, you can compare (if you've had bloods before) where you'd be based on mg's of inject. For example, when my T was 525ng, that was 4 days after 60mg test inj (before the blast). 525ng corresponds to a number that, based on an 8 day half life of test c, would take almost 28 days to reach with no test injects at all. Resuming TRT dosages (or "taper") would just prolong the elevated total blood T levels and take longer to reach acceptable "in range" numbers.

EDIT...and btw, i'm on day 9 with no inject/TRT and I really want it bad. But according to the half-life of test C, I should be higher than normal range. I might just spend the $40 and check myself instead of hypothesizing. Perhaps tomorrow... and I will surely post the results. How long does privatemd labs take to get the results back?
 
lexmuscle said:
Being on trt, shouldn't a blast be shorter than someone doing a cycle? I mean, the test is already built up in our systems to a high normal range, so reaching the top blast ng/dl number should be around week 2 instead of week 4 right?

I wonder if someone on trt would get the same results from an 8 week blast compared to a 12 week cycle of a non-trt user?
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I 100% agree with your logic. I think even as short as 4-6 weeks is sufficient as a short blast for somebody already on test by way of trt. maybe 8 weeks for a "normal blast" like you said.
 
threeFs said:
EDIT...and btw, i'm on day 9 with no inject/TRT and I really want it bad. But according to the half-life of test C, I should be higher than normal range. I might just spend the $40 and check myself instead of hypothesizing. Perhaps tomorrow... and I will surely post the results. How long does privatemd labs take to get the results back?
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Exactly my point. I would never just stop injecting because I was trying to lower from a blast. F whatever an online guide says. We run by seat of pants, labs, and experience. Are you going to tell me ( not you specifically, just in general) that because someone put up a configuration thingy online that you are going to base what you do on that? No freaking way.
 
kisaj said:
Exactly my point. I would never just stop injecting because I was trying to lower from a blast. F whatever an online guide says. We run by seat of pants, labs, and experience. Are you going to tell me ( not you specifically, just in general) that because someone put up a configuration thingy online that you are going to base what you do on that? No freaking way.
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Independent lab results>online calculator.
 
lboston said:
Looking forward to seeing it. I'm curious myself as to when I should stop the blast to get BW done for my regular doc visit.
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As per lab results just received, 750mg test x 4weeks, 250mg test cyp x 3 weeks, then 7 days later 200mg then 10 days nothing

534 ng test serum. Lower than I thought and much lower than roidcalc.com
 
This is my first post here I hope it is ok to jump in. First off, I am 39, 5'7", 230lbs. I have been lifting for years. Never ran a cycle or a blast. I did two prohormones back in 2004 and one in 2006. I am probably around 20% bf. I always worked out for strength. Last July I had my test test and failed miserably. Numbers were 145 and 3.2. Urologist started me on test cyp 200mg eow. That brought my levels to around 550. He recently changed me to 100mg ew. Waiting for the reslults from that test.
 
Sorry I hit the reply before I was finished. I have several friends that have cycled without trt. I know everyone is different but this is how they tested. The first guy ran 400mgs of test ew with 250mgs of deca for six weeks. He stopped cold turkey and got a blood test three weeks later. His number was 139 and 4.1. He had labs before he started and his natural number was 732 and 12.8. Second guy ran a similar protocol he tapered the test at the end and his numbers came back 243 and 8.9. That was also three weeks after taper. Last guy ran 600 test and 500 deca for eight weeks and tapered with proper pct. After five weeks from taper but still on last bit of pct his number were 430 and 11.2. Finally, I had six friends that had thier test at anylabnow and came back in middle normal range. They all waited two weeks and went back. This time they all came back low. They did a few things that we believe affected their levels. They worked out very hard everyday(overtrained); on the day of the second test they all had sex or masturbated, I didn't need to know which one, and hit the gym very hard within one hour of their test. I understand this is not scientific but it pushed everyone of them below 200. The contol was just two guys that didn't change anything but got tests on the same day. Their changes were very minimal. Not sure if this would help coming off a blast but it seems to work in every other situation. Even the guys that cycled employed this technique.
 
kmfj said:
This is my first post here I hope it is ok to jump in. First off, I am 39, 5'7", 230lbs. I have been lifting for years. Never ran a cycle or a blast. I did two prohormones back in 2004 and one in 2006. I am probably around 20% bf. I always worked out for strength. Last July I had my test test and failed miserably. Numbers were 145 and 3.2. Urologist started me on test cyp 200mg eow. That brought my levels to around 550. He recently changed me to 100mg ew. Waiting for the reslults from that test.
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I think that 100mg EW will bring you up to around 700 or so, which will be more satisfactory. All that test at once is not a good idea since you get a big spike (and more sides), plus it is not conducive to maximizing the tests half-life waiting 2 weeks for another injection. Once per week (or twice per week) suits test much better. I don't know what possesses some of these "medical professionals" to put people on 100mg every month, or 100mg EOW, or even 200mg EOW or once a month....if its not broke don't fix it. 100mg (or whatever you need) EW. And you can always tweak it with two injections per week. Once a month suggestions always blow my mind from personal experience.......
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I think that 100mg EW will bring you up to around 700 or so, which will be more satisfactory. All that test at once is not a good idea since you get a big spike (and more sides), plus it is not conducive to maximizing the tests half-life waiting 2 weeks for another injection. Once per week (or twice per week) suits test much better. I don't know what possesses some of these "medical professionals" to put people on 100mg every month, or 100mg EOW, or even 200mg EOW or once a month....if its not broke don't fix it. 100mg (or whatever you need) EW. And you can always tweak it with two injections per week. Once a month suggestions always blow my mind from personal experience.......
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I would guess that most docs try to shut you down before building you up to a level that's decent. In the first few weeks of TRT, from what I understand so far, you are still naturally producing AND getting the benefit of the injected substance.
I'm going to my endo on Thursday to ask him if that's protocol and if that's the reasoning behind starting off so low. It makes sense to me.
 
iparatroop said:
I would guess that most docs try to shut you down before building you up to a level that's decent. In the first few weeks of TRT, from what I understand so far, you are still naturally producing AND getting the benefit of the injected substance.
I'm going to my endo on Thursday to ask him if that's protocol and if that's the reasoning behind starting off so low. It makes sense to me.
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Yeah that part makes sense...assessing tolerance and levels etc while you are shutting down slowly but surely. But my GP said that they do one 100mg shot per month and MAYBE 2 per month max...and that is THE protocol. That is just plain dumb. He also thinks that one 100mg shot per month is somehow stronger than 8 pumps androgel per day ED. that is about 70-80 mg per WEEK depending on if you can squeeze 10 pumps from the bottle (you can btw). so 100 trumps 300 in their logic lol. Just one dumb people story
 
AnabolicHolic said:
But my GP said that they do one 100mg shot per month and MAYBE 2 per month max...and that is THE protocol.
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"So, you practice doing something you don't understand. I appreciate you being honest with me so I know not to trust you with any of my other ailments and can find someone that does."
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I think that 100mg EW will bring you up to around 700 or so, which will be more satisfactory. All that test at once is not a good idea since you get a big spike (and more sides), plus it is not conducive to maximizing the tests half-life waiting 2 weeks for another injection. Once per week (or twice per week) suits test much better. I don't know what possesses some of these "medical professionals" to put people on 100mg every month, or 100mg EOW, or even 200mg EOW or once a month....if its not broke don't fix it. 100mg (or whatever you need) EW. And you can always tweak it with two injections per week. Once a month suggestions always blow my mind from personal experience.......
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I just got a call from my doc.100mg ew put me at 762 and 20.2. He felt it was a little high. But said we will keep the dose the same and do more bloodwork in 6 weeks.
 
Regardless of the fact that it is well within normal range, did he ask how you felt and if it was addressing your symptoms?
 
kisaj said:
Regardless of the fact that it is well within normal range, did he ask how you felt and if it was addressing your symptoms?
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Yep, this.
Everyone is so concerned with a number...patients want it higher, docs want it lower
 
kisaj said:
"So, you practice doing something you don't understand. I appreciate you being honest with me so I know not to trust you with any of my other ailments and can find someone that does."
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hahaha, yeah pretty much. I go to my cardiologist for my heart of course, but this guy I just dictate to him what I need/want and he usually complies ("just tell me how much you want of the gel and what brand and I'll write the script" lol)...he doesn't want me on test shots? since "clinically" I look "fine"? and I did not complain about ED or lethargy etc? Fine, put me on the gel and I'll get my level in the 7-800's that way. Does not matter to me, until I get tired of all that gel and demand a referral to a proper endo.....but this guy is essentially useless. Both my parents were using him and they both "fired" him eventually and warned me about him.
 
kmfj said:
I just got a call from my doc.100mg ew put me at 762 and 20.2. He felt it was a little high. But said we will keep the dose the same and do more bloodwork in 6 weeks.
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Awesome, I was pretty spot on. But I was using guesstimates from personal experience and from others I know personally or on the boards, so no real skill there lol :D That is not "too high" btw....1100 is top of the scale? (off the top of my head) if so then 750 is dead in the middle of 350 and 1150, the top and bottom of normal. So essentially the mean average of the normal portion of the scale is "too high". Wow, guess this is why he chose not to go into brain surgery....
 
My endo has always said he's happy with my levels hovering around 1000. I'll be getting bloods taken Wednesday to see how the blast is coming along. I've decided to blast for 9 weeks instead of 12 since I've already put on about 25lbs into week 5. And I'm still really lean with no bloat. I was surprised today I got irritable for the first time since I started the blast, I've had no negative sides luckily besides today. No telling what I could do if I could really force feed myself! I've always had the drive to lift hard and heavy, but can't force enough food that I need. Around 4k-5k calories max for me during the blast. I'm surprised I'm getting that much! Once it's over I'll probably drop it down to 3500 calories and 265g of protein.
 
lexmuscle said:
My endo has always said he's happy with my levels hovering around 1000. I'll be getting bloods taken Wednesday to see how the blast is coming along. I've decided to blast for 9 weeks instead of 12 since I've already put on about 25lbs into week 5. And I'm still really lean with no bloat. I was surprised today I got irritable for the first time since I started the blast, I've had no negative sides luckily besides today. No telling what I could do if I could really force feed myself! I've always had the drive to lift hard and heavy, but can't force enough food that I need. Around 4k-5k calories max for me during the blast. I'm surprised I'm getting that much! Once it's over I'll probably drop it down to 3500 calories and 265g of protein.
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Your gains are insane!
 
lexmuscle said:
My endo has always said he's happy with my levels hovering around 1000. I'll be getting bloods taken Wednesday to see how the blast is coming along. I've decided to blast for 9 weeks instead of 12 since I've already put on about 25lbs into week 5. And I'm still really lean with no bloat. I was surprised today I got irritable for the first time since I started the blast, I've had no negative sides luckily besides today. No telling what I could do if I could really force feed myself! I've always had the drive to lift hard and heavy, but can't force enough food that I need. Around 4k-5k calories max for me during the blast. I'm surprised I'm getting that much! Once it's over I'll probably drop it down to 3500 calories and 265g of protein.
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I feel you, 3500-4K is my limit....its just not humanly possible for me to do any more...even with liquid assistance since that just bloats me and makes me even less hungry. So I don't gain as much as I probably should. Although I am a 175-200 lb guy so 4K isn't that bad. But yeah, my GP is an idiot...but he agrees that top end (like 750-900's) is a legit #...I bet if I approached 1K he'd probably be like OK thats high. He does also mention getting RBC checked, but nothing about estrogen....so he seems informed on about half of the stuff we are aware of. It upsets me that I (we) know more about this stuff than he does, yet he's getting paid big bucks for doing nothing and prescribing flawed trt protocols.
 
He asked me if I felt like it was too high. I told him I felt better than I have in months. He did want me to come by sooner than the six weeks so he could check rbc and e2 and make sure that dose wasn't causing any problems on that side. He does tend to lean more to the conservative side though.
 
Nothing wrong with that, as long as it isn't interfering with you and how you feel. Many times doctors are thinking of themselves and situations in general, so they don't take the time to really see the individual. For instance, my doctor has a lot of TRT patients and I am one of only about 5 that he allows to self inject he said because I am reasonable and discuss things openly with him. It took a long time, but I have moved out of the "general" category.
 
kisaj said:
For instance, my doctor has a lot of TRT patients and I am one of only about 5 that he allows to self inject he said because I am reasonable and discuss things openly with him. It took a long time, but I have moved out of the "general" category.
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Man, that's weird. My doc started me off on injections and I did the first one myself in front of his assistant. They sent me home with a script for cyp and a bag full of needles. Funny how different things can be from one doc to the other.
 
iparatroop said:
Man, that's weird. My doc started me off on injections and I did the first one myself in front of his assistant. They sent me home with a script for cyp and a bag full of needles. Funny how different things can be from one doc to the other.
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I'm in the same boat except he wants me in the 500's. Me next appt I might casually mention not needing an appointment for 12 months
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He also scolded me for doing gluteal inj by myself. It's dangerous he said. Quads only he said. Next time, I will say my wife pins the glutes for me
 
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