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hello guys.. i remember that old witch the member from here used lgd in high doses.. do you think such a cycle would be beneficial?
 
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I believe worthwhile results do require higher dosages than originally thought with sarms...
OW was on too somethin, but I don’t remember what dosages he recommended
 

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I believe worthwhile results do require higher dosages than originally thought with sarms...
OW was on too somethin, but I don’t remember what dosages he recommended
yeah thats the issue.. i dont rememer too, and he is offline a long time ago from forum!! i think the dosages were crazy i mean 50 mg lgd and 60 ostarine
 
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Never tried it but looked into it and yes, from what I've seen higher dosages are the way to go and blood work isn't that bad.

Old witch's recommendations were 50mg+ osta, 20mg+ lgd

Old witch never mentioned this, bit I think injectable would also be more beneficial than taking it orally.

Only thing is - and what put me off - was that the long term sides of high dosed sarms are still pretty unknown.
 
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He told me in PM he was loving Ostarine at 44 or 45mg, and LGD was ~50mg.

NOT AT THE SAME TIME, back to back. Runs were only like a month or so per compound. He didn’t say anything about drawing bloods to keep an eye under the hood, but I would by 4 week mark if you wanna keep going. That’s rather uncharted territory. As often as SARMs can be faked or contaminated, don’t high dose for extended periods without at least keeping tabs.
 
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He told me in PM he was loving Ostarine at 44 or 45mg, and LGD was ~50mg.

NOT AT THE SAME TIME, back to back. Runs were only like a month or so per compound. He didn’t say anything about drawing bloods to keep an eye under the hood, but I would by 4 week mark if you wanna keep going. That’s rather uncharted territory. As often as SARMs can be faked or contaminated, don’t high dose for extended periods without at least keeping tabs.
 

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Ive done rad/lgd at 40 or 50mg each. Is it worth it? Depends. Of course it’s going to work a lot better at high doses but it’s also going to be extremely toxic. On par with methylated pro hormone basically. Trashed lipids,liver values thru the roof, etc. So at this point might as well run real steroids and get real results.
 
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Ive done rad/lgd at 40 or 50mg each. Is it worth it? Depends. Of course it’s going to work a lot better at high doses but it’s also going to be extremely toxic. On par with methylated pro hormone basically. Trashed lipids,liver values thru the roof, etc. So at this point might as well run real steroids and get real results.
I haven’t taken any particular SARM over 30mg, and results were all less than a proper methyl oral of same dose (DMZ, M1A, Epistane). How was 50mg of anything?
 
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hello guys.. i remember that old witch the member from here used lgd in high doses.. do you think such a cycle would be beneficial?
If you run lgd, rad, s23 or yk at less then 20mg your wasting your money and time. 20-50mg a day, any sarms I use in the future I would not go below 30. It's crazy to me that people will gladly take 50mg of anadrol a day but think 30 to 50mg of a sarm is a high dose. It's not.
 
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yeah thats the issue.. i dont rememer too, and he is offline a long time ago from forum!! i think the dosages were crazy i mean 50 mg lgd and 60 ostarine
There's nothing crazy about those doses, 20mg of dbol will be stronger then that combined and that's s beginner dose of dbol
 

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If you run lgd, rad, s23 or yk at less then 20mg your wasting your money and time. 20-50mg a day, any sarms I use in the future I would not go below 30. It's crazy to me that people will gladly take 50mg of anadrol a day but think 30 to 50mg of a sarm is a high dose. It's not.
you dont know what the hell you are talking about i gained 11 lbs on 6 weeks of ol lgd at 12 mg a day. Im guessing you have no experience with sarms you are just going by what you have read and of course if something works it will work more WITH more smdh
 
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you dont know what the hell you are talking about i gained 11 lbs on 6 weeks of ol lgd at 12 mg a day. Im guessing you have no experience with sarms you are just going by what you have read and of course if something works it will work more WITH more smdh
Ok moron, I have more experience with sarms then half the ppl on this board. Let's see some pictures of this 11lbs you gained in 6 weeks because you absolutely did not gain lbs of muscle, unless it was back when sarms came out and many were spiked with prohormones. Everyone around here loves to talk about what they did, but 99% of them have nothing other then there word. Which means jack ****
 
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Ok moron, I have more experience with sarms then half the ppl on this board. Let's see some pictures of this 11lbs you gained in 6 weeks because you absolutely did not gain lbs of muscle, unless it was back when sarms came out and many were spiked with prohormones. Everyone around here loves to talk about what they did, but 99% of them have nothing other then there word. Which means jack ****
If guys could gain 10lbs of muscle on 6 week sarm cycles then no1 would ever use steroids again
 
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you dont know what the hell you are talking about i gained 11 lbs on 6 weeks of ol lgd at 12 mg a day. Im guessing you have no experience with sarms you are just going by what you have read and of course if something works it will work more WITH more smdh
If guys could gain 10lbs of muscle on 6 week sarm cycles then no1 would ever use steroids again
It’s context my fine gents. For example, I have a friend who has awesome genetics that didn’t know fuckall about PEDs. His first cycle was literally a bunch of DHEA he bought on line, he used it because it had a gorilla on the dropper bottle. So I gave him some 4mg LGD capsules I had just to help him along. The guy gained 15-20lbs in like 8 weeks and his already barbaric strength became indecent. He loaded a 400lb keg to 52” in that competition at the end of the cycle and had only loaded kegs a few times prior in his life. Basically with abs too. He’s now a pro middleweight strongman.

Point is, first cycle & great genes were the big contributors. I think he was using about a gram total of test and tren when he turned pro. Gaining a similar amount of weight on blast as his first cycle of LGD & DHEA.
 
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you dont know what the hell you are talking about i gained 11 lbs on 6 weeks of ol lgd at 12 mg a day. Im guessing you have no experience with sarms you are just going by what you have read and of course if something works it will work more WITH more smdh
If guys could gain 10lbs of muscle on 6 week sarm cycles then no1 would ever use steroids again
It’s context my fine gents. For example, I have a friend who has awesome genetics that didn’t know fuckall about PEDs. His first cycle was literally a bunch of DHEA he bought on line, he used it because it had a gorilla on the dropper bottle. So I gave him some 4mg LGD capsules I had just to help him along. The guy gained 15-20lbs in like 8 weeks and his already barbaric strength became indecent. He loaded a 400lb keg to 52” in that competition at the end of the cycle and had only loaded kegs a few times prior in his life. Basically with abs too. He’s now a pro middleweight strongman.

Point is, first cycle & great genes were the big contributors. I think he was using about a gram total of test and tren when he turned pro. Gaining a similar amount of weight on blast as his first cycle of LGD & DHEA.
 
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Did not take a first cycle into consideration but you had 4mg lgd, which is ol, and I don't believe the original was not spiked, because ever since sarms became more available no1 has the results off the low doses. And this is stuff that is out now is tested for purity
 
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Did not take a first cycle into consideration but you had 4mg lgd, which is ol, and I don't believe the original was not spiked, because ever since sarms became more available no1 has the results off the low doses. And this is stuff that is out now is tested for purity
Actually (if you mean me) it was a different brand that used to be a board sponsor. I cannot for the life of me remember who it was, but they were white bottles and the trim color for LGD was like a greenish-blue. Like Gumbi color. Could have been spiked of course - I gave it away because it instantly bugged my gyno.
 
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Actually (if you mean me) it was a different brand that used to be a board sponsor. I cannot for the life of me remember who it was, but they were white bottles and the trim color for LGD was like a greenish-blue. Like Gumbi color. Could have been spiked of course - I gave it away because it instantly bugged my gyno.
Lgd should not do anything gyno related, probably spiked
 
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Don't you find it a little strange that years back ppl report bigger gains on 8 to 10mg of sarms then they do today on 20 to 30
 

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Did not take a first cycle into consideration but you had 4mg lgd, which is ol, and I don't believe the original was not spiked, because ever since sarms became more available no1 has the results off the low doses. And this is stuff that is out now is tested for purity
It actually WAS my first cycle but my point is dont blanket statement everybodies results
 

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so a nice cycle would be maybe 1,5 month lgd on 50 mg and 1,5 month maybe ostarine at 45?
 
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so a nice cycle would be maybe 1,5 month lgd on 50 mg and 1,5 month maybe ostarine at 45?
If you never used lgd I'd start at 20 and work up as needed for lgd. I get nothing from osta, can't really speak on that one. Another thing is you have no estrogen conversion with sarms. I highly suggest adding something that converts to estrogen for multiple reasons
 
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OW looked like crap in every.pic I ever saw of him...why would someone be interested in his advice???
 
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I'm using lgd and rad now, running 10mg of each per day. I've done this before and can get away with it for 8 to 12 weeks. Good for a recomp of sorts. Takes time though, won't notice much at all for the first few weeks. This is why I feel most people think sarms are crap. They buy 4 weeks worth at a low dose and get pissed that nothing happened. Doesn't transform you overnight or anything but to be fair neither would 8 weeks of anavar. It's the same slow steady pace that natural training requires only you can get away with slightly more cheat foods here and there and your results are probably improved by maybe 5 or 10 percent. Fairly keepable though if you maintain training and diet post. But think about that realistically if you are gonna gain 2 lbs of actual muscle in two months natural then this will boost that to maybe 2.2 lbs if your lucky. Add to that some extra help with nutrient partitioning and a little nitrogen retention in all the right places and your 2.2lbs can easily look like 5 lbs or more of muscle... Which it isn't, and that extra retention will be gone once you have been off a few weeks.
 
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I'm using lgd and rad now, running 10mg of each per day. I've done this before and can get away with it for 8 to 12 weeks. Good for a recomp of sorts. Takes time though, won't notice much at all for the first few weeks. This is why I feel most people think sarms are crap. They buy 4 weeks worth at a low dose and get pissed that nothing happened. Doesn't transform you overnight or anything but to be fair neither would 8 weeks of anavar. It's the same slow steady pace that natural training requires only you can get away with slightly more cheat foods here and there and your results are probably improved by maybe 5 or 10 percent. Fairly keepable though if you maintain training and diet post. But think about that realistically if you are gonna gain 2 lbs of actual muscle in two months natural then this will boost that to maybe 2.2 lbs if your lucky. Add to that some extra help with nutrient partitioning and a little nitrogen retention in all the right places and your 2.2lbs can easily look like 5 lbs or more of muscle... Which it isn't, and that extra retention will be gone once you have been off a few weeks.
That's more of what I've seen ppl do. Long low doses for a small reasonable boost . Or a 6 weeker at bigger doses for mild prohormone type results. Also I've used injectable lgd and oral lgd, 15 to 30 mg of the injectable lgd EOD for 4 weeks produced more then 20mg of the oral daily, purely going by visible changes. I got some pics il try to dig up. Both of those were ran with a small dose of testosterone tho.
 
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Lgd should not do anything gyno related, probably spiked
Don't you find it a little strange that years back ppl report bigger gains on 8 to 10mg of sarms then they do today on 20 to 30
People get gyno for more reasons than aromatization of the compound or prolactin. Consider simple imbalances like taking only LGD, now a low androgenic environment while free test that would have been binding is getting displaced by the LGD that has greater affinity, and I aromatize heavily so now all that test is becoming estrogen and there’s no androgen to balance this. Very easy to see how existing gyno would get aggravated since I hadn’t shut down yet. Same way you hear stories of people getting gyno on DMZ, Sten, SD, or even more likely when they come off.

But could definitely have been spiked; who knows. Platinum Nutraceuticals I think it was?

It actually WAS my first cycle but my point is dont blanket statement everybodies results
First cycle makes sense. Don’t expect those kinda gains even a couple cycles from now at those doses (unfortunately).

OW looked like crap in every.pic I ever saw of him...why would someone be interested in his advice???
Well, results are kinda individual right? I mean idc what he looked like; he can still tell me how he felt, sides, weight gained, and if he died or not lol. I figure I don’t need to take all advice, but it’s good to exchange info. Chew up the meat and spit out the bone.
 
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These were over 4 weeks on the injectable lgd, I believe I did 15 EOD then 30 EOD. bodyweight was the same at the end as the beginning. But arms, chest and shoulders got bigger and rounder while my waist got smaller. The first 4 weeks I ever did on oral lgd at 20 daily I didn't see much difference through photos
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@Smont but havent you also been on a hefty dose of test at the time?

how can you tell which one is responsible for the transformation?
 
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@Smont but havent you also been on a hefty dose of test at the time?

how can you tell which one is responsible for the transformation?
I was not on a lot of test, I actually think I was tapering down at the end and I had not made any progress for a few weeks before adding the lgd. Then I added it and made changes
 
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Another thing to add is if I'm running 300 test and bump it to 600, nothing really changes for me. I know what does what for me and the lgd was doing the work
 

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I haven’t taken any particular SARM over 30mg, and results were all less than a proper methyl oral of same dose (DMZ, M1A, Epistane). How was 50mg of anything?
At best I’ve had similar results to the likes of turinabol... decent little gains and decent hardening. Certainly wasn’t worth it as my liver values were 3 times out of range from that rad/lgd cycle and my lipids were trashed the **** out. The worst bloodwork I’ve ever had was from high dose sarms. Worse than on superdrol,msten,dmz,m1a
 
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I'm using lgd and rad now, running 10mg of each per day. I've done this before and can get away with it for 8 to 12 weeks. Good for a recomp of sorts. Takes time though, won't notice much at all for the first few weeks. This is why I feel most people think sarms are crap. They buy 4 weeks worth at a low dose and get pissed that nothing happened. Doesn't transform you overnight or anything but to be fair neither would 8 weeks of anavar. It's the same slow steady pace that natural training requires only you can get away with slightly more cheat foods here and there and your results are probably improved by maybe 5 or 10 percent. Fairly keepable though if you maintain training and diet post. But think about that realistically if you are gonna gain 2 lbs of actual muscle in two months natural then this will boost that to maybe 2.2 lbs if your lucky. Add to that some extra help with nutrient partitioning and a little nitrogen retention in all the right places and your 2.2lbs can easily look like 5 lbs or more of muscle... Which it isn't, and that extra retention will be gone once you have been off a few weeks.
Damn, you started off this post by making sarms sound worth it but ended by saying they’re basically pointless. I’m thinking more along the lines of this - if you have been training for years and you train hard and eat right for 8 weeks, then you’d be lucky to gain 0.5 to 1 pound of muscle during that time. But if you do the same thing and throw in a moderate dose of a sarm you could potentially see five times that, so 2.5 - 5 pounds of muscle. I’d be happy gaining that much in only 8 weeks. You should be able to train more often and harder on the sarm and protein synthesis should be increased pretty significantly. This is my hope. I’ve used sarms before but I didn’t have training and diet dialed in enough to maximize results. I’m taking 15mg a day of rad right now with 30mg a day of td test as a base. I’ll report back at the end of the cycle to see how I transform, or don’t transform.

But I’m trying to cut/recomp, so I’d be happy if I add just a tiny bit of muscle during this time, while I’m mainly in a deficit.

And of course, the newer you are to training and the newer you are to anabolics, the greater the result will be from throwing in a small amount of sarms. So I do believe some stories where people make huge gains on them in only four weeks using a relatively small dose.
 
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Damn, you started off this post by making sarms sound worth it but ended by saying they’re basically pointless. I’m thinking more along the lines of this - if you have been training for years and you train hard and eat right for 8 weeks, then you’d be lucky to gain 0.5 to 1 pound of muscle during that time. But if you do the same thing and throw in a moderate dose of a sarm you could potentially see five times that, so 2.5 - 5 pounds of muscle. I’d be happy gaining that much in only 8 weeks. You should be able to train more often and harder on the sarm and protein synthesis should be increased pretty significantly. This is my hope. I’ve used sarms before but I didn’t have training and diet dialed in enough to maximize results. I’m taking 15mg a day of rad right now with 30mg a day of td test as a base. I’ll report back at the end of the cycle to see how I transform, or don’t transform.

But I’m trying to cut/recomp, so I’d be happy if I add just a tiny bit of muscle during this time, while I’m mainly in a deficit.

And of course, the newer you are to training and the newer you are to anabolics, the greater the result will be from throwing in a small amount of sarms. So I do believe some stories where people make huge gains on them in only four weeks using a relatively small dose.
All of your logic makes sense. But the one very important thing you are failing to take into consideration here, by my own experience, is PCT. You need to make enough accelerated gains on your cycle to account for the inherent loss in the early weeks of PCT where your endogenous T levels and therefore ability to maintain your new lean mass is greatly compromised.

If you shut yourself down for 3lbs of muscle in 8 weeks, how much do you think will be there 4-6 weeks post cycle? Cycling is a 2-steps forward, 1-back process. And the truth is the more muscle you acquire over years of work & cycling, the greater exogenous stimuli you’re going to need for even lesser gains.

Now, someone on TRT, that just wants to add a little bit of muscle here and there and look better - that to me is where low dose SARM cycles make the most sense. The exact opposite demographic that typically researches SARMs, which is younger lifters or those newer to PEDs. None of this is to knock you; I just wanted to bring an alternative view to the convo. I would say overall I am pro-SARM.
 
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All of your logic makes sense. But the one very important thing you are failing to take into consideration here, by my own experience, is PCT. You need to make enough accelerated gains on your cycle to account for the inherent loss in the early weeks of PCT where your endogenous T levels and therefore ability to maintain your new lean mass is greatly compromised.

If you shut yourself down for 3lbs of muscle in 8 weeks, how much do you think will be there 4-6 weeks post cycle? Cycling is a 2-steps forward, 1-back process. And the truth is the more muscle you acquire over years of work & cycling, the greater exogenous stimuli you’re going to need for even lesser gains.

Now, someone on TRT, that just wants to add a little bit of muscle here and there and look better - that to me is where low dose SARM cycles make the most sense. The exact opposite demographic that typically researches SARMs, which is younger lifters or those newer to PEDs. None of this is to knock you; I just wanted to bring an alternative view to the convo. I would say overall I am pro-SARM.
Good point. I’m sure the further you are from your genetic potential also partially determines how much you keep. So if you gain 8 pounds and pct correctly, and you are still far from your genetic potential, then you should keep a high percentage of those gains.

This is my first time actually having a proper test base while using a sarm (I’ve used dermacrine but it’s so weak). fortunately there’s no way to see how much TD test is in my bottle, which leaves me with the paranoid thought of running out before the cycle ends. And I don’t have easy access to that source anymore.

This led me to the conclusion that I could probably safely transition to low dose TD trest if my testosterone does happen to run out. But I went to order from PRE last night and they’re out of stock. Does anyone know if they’ve been out for a while, or if they typically restore their trest stock quickly?

Overall I’m not too paranoid, as I’m running a low to moderate dose of a not too suppressive compound but I’d like to have a legit test base with it the whole way through.
 
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Good point. I’m sure the further you are from your genetic potential also partially determines how much you keep. So if you gain 8 pounds and pct correctly, and you are still far from your genetic potential, then you should keep a high percentage of those gains.

This is my first time actually having a proper test base while using a sarm (I’ve used dermacrine but it’s so weak). fortunately there’s no way to see how much TD test is in my bottle, which leaves me with the paranoid thought of running out before the cycle ends. And I don’t have easy access to that source anymore.

This led me to the conclusion that I could probably safely transition to low dose TD trest if my testosterone does happen to run out. But I went to order from PRE last night and they’re out of stock. Does anyone know if they’ve been out for a while, or if they typically restore their trest stock quickly?

Overall I’m not too paranoid, as I’m running a low to moderate dose of a not too suppressive compound but I’d like to have a legit test base with it the whole way through.
I agree with both of your views. The point I was trying to make was that realistically you are not going to gain 10 lbs of true solid muscle in 8 weeks. That would be the same of most aas cycles too. At least for guys like me who need to fit in work and family. If you are someone that can devote 100% of your time to the cause then I do believe that greater results could be had.

Like I said before though with nitrogen retention and nutrient partitioning you can go from looking untrained to gaining 10 to 15 lbs and looking jacked with enough calories but a lot of the gains are illusions. Again this can be the case for Aas cycles too depending on what's used.

I wasn't trying to make sarms seem worthless, I go back to them again and again. I do feel though that for me it's more of a temporary effect that I can implement to say, look a certain way for the summer. Then I will take months off, focus on other things and usually return to where I was. Which I'm happy with. I'm not on a mission to try and be 250 lbs with full abs and full body striations.

For someone who is looking to consistently gain year on year and go for a proper competition ready look I think true gear would be the way to go. As much as I believe sarms work there is a reason why pretty much every Pro bodybuilder doesn't bother with them, at least as their main muscle building protocol.
 
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Good point. I’m sure the further you are from your genetic potential also partially determines how much you keep. So if you gain 8 pounds and pct correctly, and you are still far from your genetic potential, then you should keep a high percentage of those gains.

This is my first time actually having a proper test base while using a sarm (I’ve used dermacrine but it’s so weak). fortunately there’s no way to see how much TD test is in my bottle, which leaves me with the paranoid thought of running out before the cycle ends. And I don’t have easy access to that source anymore.

This led me to the conclusion that I could probably safely transition to low dose TD trest if my testosterone does happen to run out. But I went to order from PRE last night and they’re out of stock. Does anyone know if they’ve been out for a while, or if they typically restore their trest stock quickly?

Overall I’m not too paranoid, as I’m running a low to moderate dose of a not too suppressive compound but I’d like to have a legit test base with it the whole way through.
I haven't seen any from PRE since the black Friday sale. I don't know if he's had it in stock since but if he did, it sold out quick. What was your dose of the TD test and sorry if I missed it but what else are you running with it?
 
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I haven't seen any from PRE since the black Friday sale. I don't know if he's had it in stock since but if he did, it sold out quick. What was your dose of the TD test and sorry if I missed it but what else are you running with it?
30 mg a day of test with 15mg of rad. That sucks about PRE, but oh well. I can probably stretch this test out till the end of the cycle.
 
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30 mg a day of test with 15mg of rad. That sucks about PRE, but oh well. I can probably stretch this test out till the end of the cycle.
Grab some DHEA, pregnenolone & a bottle of Gainbusters 3AD if you can’t get more test and run out. 3 caps of 3AD spaced through the day will definitely help add some energy and libido. Only side for me was acne, but the feel good was great.
 
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Grab some DHEA, pregnenolone & a bottle of Gainbusters 3AD if you can’t get more test and run out. 3 caps of 3AD spaced through the day will definitely help add some energy and libido. Only side for me was acne, but the feel good was great.
Thanks for the heads up. I moved a couple months ago and haven’t been able to find some things since, but I did some digging around this morning and found some DHEA capsules. So I got that covered at least.
I do gotta say that so far I like rad. It kicks in immediately. On day one my muscles already had increased endurance. The weights just feel lighter.
 

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