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Firreozkan

Firreozkan

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Hey guys, I've seen that people are talking about different supplements, making you not store calories as fat, or at least linit that. Like Defuse, but it seems to be something hard to find atm. Anything similar we can try? I would love to be able to have a few big cheats, especially this deep in my cut. Im going crazy haha. Any respond is appriciated! :)
 
2 Caps of Chaos and Pain Predator. Easily the best GDA you can buy on the market ATM BloodManor pyrobatt
Slintensity and Slinmax I would place behind it at #2/#3

Having massive cheats in a long term deficit may not be wise, if anything it could set you back from the surplus amount you would eat. Therefore it would negate your deficit over the course of the week. You would be better off having one cheat meal instead of a "Big Cheats" (meaning multiple). No supplement would stop or prevent a massive caloric overload to that extent.
dsade is coming out with a new version of Defuse that can be used more often and more on a daily basis instead of only a few times a week as Defuse was meant to be used. More information can be found here:

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Thanks! Yeah I ment in one sitting. Like 4-5k kcal. So 2 caps of chaos and pain predator? What difference would it make?
 
Like I said 4-5k cal in a long term deficit is more then likely going to be your normal intake for 2 or even more days. If anything that may set you back depending on your current intake and what you eat on a daily basis. Therefore eating something or that many kcals would actually be counter productive to your cut.

But yeah 2 caps is strong and should help negate some damage, reducing bloating, and help shuttle the food.
Firreozkan said:
Thanks! Yeah I ment in one sitting. Like 4-5k kcal. So 2 caps of chaos and pain predator? What difference would it make?
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Have heard amazing things about Predator. Also been using SlinMax and it's been pretty good. Only use GDA's prior to a big cheat meal.
 
Yeah okay. I was at like 88kg. Now I'm at 74.5kg. Almost single digit bodyfat. I want to stay lean this time. Feeling pretty strong too, can take the 95-100kg dumbells for bench press, and so on... I hate being bulky! Should I buy this product? I used to eat 4k all the time before.
 
You can buy the product, but like I stated eating 4-5k calories in a cheat meal can negate your deficit due to a large caloric surplus
Example if you eat 2000 calories a day think about that your eating 2 full days worth of food in a single meal. That is going to be counter productive to fatloss and current goal because of the excessive caloric load.

Cheat meals are not even necessary for fatloss, can you use them and can they help? Absolutely, but some people take them to the extreme and cause them to take steps backwards instead of forwards with their current goal. Even with using a GDA to help minimize the damage.

Firreozkan said:
Yeah okay. I was at like 88kg. Now I'm at 74.5kg. Almost single digit bodyfat. I want to stay lean this time. Feeling pretty strong too, can take the 95-100kg dumbells for bench press, and so on... I hate being bulky! Should I buy this product? I used to eat 4k all the time before.
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Firreozkan said:
Hey guys, I've seen that people are talking about different supplements, making you not store calories as fat, or at least linit that. Like Defuse, but it seems to be something hard to find atm. Anything similar we can try? I would love to be able to have a few big cheats, especially this deep in my cut. Im going crazy haha. Any respond is appriciated! :)
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Gaining fat is going to come down to if your eating in a surplus or not. A GDA can help shuttle glucose into muscle cells, but again, calories in versus calories out.

SlinMax is great for shutting carbs and nutrients. It also gets rid of bloating from heavy carb meals and high calorie meals in general.

SlinMax is a little more expensive than some other GDA products out there, but is well worth the cost. If you search threads which people look for ingredients to make their own, you will see that almost all of the ingredients recommended are in SlinMax and at the dose suggested.

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Firreozkan said:
Thanks man. So I should not buy anything?
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You can buy Predator as I stated, but if you think throwing in cheat meals of 4000-5000 calories when you are dieting (I don't know your normal caloric intake). May backpedal you. No supplement can help you if you just magically throw in thousands of extra calories in a deficit. Think about the energy balance equation here. Calories in vs calories out. If you need to reach a deficit say 2000 calories a week to lose weight, and you want to throw in these cheat meals that equate to 4000-5000 calories. Is that really going to be a benefit to your dieting phase or cutting phase?

NO supplement can stop or prevent fat gain when you want to throw in that many calories especially in a dieting phase (or a prolonged diet such as yours)
Can they help you? Absolutely they can help reduce bloat, shuttle carbs and prevent fat gain. But to think a pill or powder or "Supplement" Will be a magical remedy to eating multiple thousand calorie cheat meals is far from the truth.

If you are looking between GDA's as stated Predator will be the best product to try. I would put Slinmax at #3 behind Slintensity at #2. You may benefit much greater off higher calorie refeeds (raising calories slightly above maintenance) instead of just eating a lot of junk on cheat meals and eating very high fat and carb meals. GDA's will work much better off higher carb meals especially taking pre-workout and carb meals away from the post-workout period. Where insulin sensitivity is going to very high (due to training) which is the best GDA you can have.
 
Thanks man. I dieted down to 75kg and stayed there for long. I feel like my body is used to being at that weight again (as I only went to 88kg from low weight, in a short time). Im done with my cut at 72kg in around 2 weeks or so depending on leanness and bf %. I think I can be taking in around 3000 without adding much fat at all. Throwing in predator, will is up my intake? A few hundreds maybe? And how much of a big carb meal will this reduce? Thanks for the help
 
Firreozkan said:
Thanks man. I dieted down to 75kg and stayed there for long. I feel like my body is used to being at that weight again (as I only went to 88kg from low weight, in a short time). Im done with my cut at 72kg in around 2 weeks or so depending on leanness and bf %. I think I can be taking in around 3000 without adding much fat at all. Throwing in predator, will is up my intake? A few hundreds maybe? And how much of a big carb meal will this reduce? Thanks for the help
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What is your intake now?
How long has your intake been there? If you are going to add a lot of calories out of the get go from your diet it may not be wise. the body is very sensitive at the end of a dieting phase so throwing back a ton of calories or throwing in these "Massive" cheat meals could be a recipe for disaster and a way to add a lot of fat fast.

Just by throwing in a supplement (a GDA) is not an excuse to raise your intake. You should be raising intake based off the mirror and scale in the reverse diet as you add calories and lower cardio to help increase your metabolism and restore your hormones (From long term dieting). You could possibly add some extra carbs pre-workout (where you would take predator) and in meals away from post-workout (Where you could take a second dose of predator)

Good rule of thumb meals up to 75g of carbs 1 cap predator, 100g+ or for a cheat meal take 2 caps. Don't exceed 2 caps a day (as noted on the label)
 
Thanks. I'm sitting at 1700, but this is the very end as I said, and things are happening real quickly. This is with no cardio and some walking at work. Just working out long hard and intense. Using my PWO. Trying to stay warm through my own chemical energy. I could cut at 2000 no doubt... but I would need to do it for longer. And as I feel really strong and feel like I really dont loose any muscle at this deficit, I go this low on kcal. The wierd thing is my breakfasts used to be 2000+ kcal everyday when I was bulking...... I feel like I did put on unneeded bodyfat at that time. But damn was I strong. I took 140kg in the bench and 180kg for 10 on the deadlift... and my legs are pretty small! And this was a year ago, and I'm born 1998!
 
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Thanks. I'm sitting at 1700, but this is the very end as I said, and things are happening real quickly. This is with no cardio and some walking at work. Just working out long hard and intense. Using my PWO. Trying to stay warm through my own chemical energy. I could cut at 2000 no doubt... but I would need to do it for longer. And as I feel really strong and feel like I really dont loose any muscle at this deficit, I go this low on kcal. The wierd thing is my breakfasts used to be 2000+ kcal everyday when I was bulking...... I feel like I did put on unneeded bodyfat at that time. But damn was I strong. I took 140kg in the bench and 180kg for 10 on the deadlift... and my legs are pretty small! And this was a year ago, and I'm born 1998!
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Jumping 1300 calories as I have stated would just be downright stupid out of the gate, same with adding 4000kcal cheat meals. Those wont do you any good no matter how many GDA's you are taking. That is a bad recipe for fat gain.
You should take some time and read up articles on reverse dieting .. Layne Nortone, 3dmj, Shelby Starnes, John Meadows all have great links, v-logs, and videos that explain this in full. Slowly add calories coming out of the deficit which will help repair your metabolism, keep fat gain at bay, and help you hold your leanness for a lot longer period. You can use the GDA as explained above in my last response as you add calories (especailly carbs) back into your routine.
 
I'm just in for what a 5k calorie meal looks like. I mean hell a large pizza from caseys is like 3k and that's a ton of food
 
Apsmith4992 said:
I'm just in for what a 5k calorie meal looks like. I mean hell a large pizza from caseys is like 3k and that's a ton of food
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Haha well. If you do some panncakes, 8dl of milk, 4dl of wheat, 5 eggs, and mix these. Then for every pancake a little oil, which will add up to the total kcal..... just the this will be around 2500+. Then u eat this with some ice cream, chocolate or some jam, which is not that far away from 4000. Depending on what you eat, and from what deficit you come out from, I really think it isnt that hard to get to 5000. Like, eating 8-10 slices of bred, with like 10-15g butter on each. Just the butter is at least 1k kcal. Then the bread..... and all the things u out on top lol. Idk man!
 
4000 cals is not hard to obtain in one meal lol. Fat cals and carb calories add up SUPER fast. Ive eaten 5000-8000 cals a day during my cuts and yeah i weigh more the next day from holding water and food, but it never fails a couple days after those high calorie days i drop to a new low weight again. Something about those high calorie days and its affects on re-igniting your metabolism. Its not just me either, many people in the industry prove this to be true. Its not something you want to do every week but once or twice a month it can only benefit you and help keep you sane lol
 
Yes! I mean, you set back couple days! But ho lee ****! From being cold in the feet and hands, having no energy, with all clothes on, to being a fire all night with the window opened! And the next day you dont even feel hungry!
 
5000 kcal is not difficult to consume. I have consumed over 10k in a meal. I then proceeded to the hospital two days later because I was so septic and hurting that I could barely get out of bed. I decided to pretty well end cheat meals after that.
 
I agree on big cheat meals not being a wise long term thing. Im not saying once in a great while you cant indulge, why overdo the food if its not going to do anything but make you feel worst?

A few weeks ago i went out with my parents I got steak, fries, and dessert. That was my last "cheat" meal .
 
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Jumping 1300 calories as I have stated would just be downright stupid out of the gate, same with adding 4000kcal cheat meals. Those wont do you any good no matter how many GDA's you are taking. That is a bad recipe for fat gain.
You should take some time and read up articles on reverse dieting .. Layne Nortone, 3dmj, Shelby Starnes, John Meadows all have great links, v-logs, and videos that explain this in full. Slowly add calories coming out of the deficit which will help repair your metabolism, keep fat gain at bay, and help you hold your leanness for a lot longer period. You can use the GDA as explained above in my last response as you add calories (especailly carbs) back into your routine.
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This. Reverse dieting is often overlooked

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