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Best thermogenic

scottyroc said:
I really like Tight! by San the best. It really works, doesn't just give you nervous energy, but actually does cut fat. And it does it without making you jittery, just a little bit of a nice increase in energy througout the whole day. Best of all it does it with just one pill a day. I'm all about that stuff.
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Your a squid...a fat squid....
 
How would any of the mentioned products compare to a 4 to 6 week Clenbuterol run? Are any of todays fatburners "better" than clen?
 
hognose said:
How would any of the mentioned products compare to a 4 to 6 week Clenbuterol run? Are any of todays fatburners "better" than clen?
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Not as potent no, Clen is a drug, after all, and a strong one at that.

Clen has numerous downsides however (bad for cardiac function, downregulates beta2 adrenergic receptors, hinders aerobic endurance, makes one generally tweak and feel shitty, can't suppress appetite).

I think the best protocol personally, if you are clen-inclined (I will admit, I like the stuff too), is to get a good lipolytic (like HEAT or EC), run it straight through, and cycle Clen 1 week on, 1 week off. Then you get the best of all worlds.
 
Loki said:
Clen has numerous downsides however (bad for cardiac function, downregulates beta2 adrenergic receptors, hinders aerobic endurance, makes one generally tweak and feel shitty, can't suppress appetite).
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People that used Clen topically (almost anyone with lipoderm) reported less sides.
BTW, Albuterol has much less sides: more people should use it with or without other stuff.

Oh and I would also consider T3/Trimax and GH to cover the other aspect of "strong" more-or-less licit fat loss agent.
 
Wait wait...I've got the BEST fat burner out there...

CARDIO!!!!

:D

Sorry, had to say it. (but its true!)

CAMPH sure does help though.
 
Agreed

BigVrunga said:
Wait wait...I've got the BEST fat burner out there...

CARDIO!!!!

:D

Sorry, had to say it. (but its true!)

CAMPH sure does help though.
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Can't argue with any of this, I absolutely agree:thumbsup:
 
I think aerobic cardio is vastly overrated, not to mention about as boring as watching paint dry.


Sprinting, however, owns ****.
 
I think aerobic cardio is vastly overrated, not to mention about as boring as watching paint dry.
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It can be boring, I guess - but its not overrated. Diet and cardiovascular training are the keys to fat loss and LBM retention. All the supplements in the world arent going to help you if you dont have those down first.

Sprinting is great too - burns lots of calories and keeps your metabolic rate up, much like intense weight training.

BV
 
BigVrunga said:
Diet and cardiovascular training are the keys to fat loss and LBM retention.
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No bro, strenght training is the key to muscle mass retention while doing aerobic training which is catabolic by itself.
 
Yeah I neglected to say that-I figured that most people on this board would already have that down:D

Without consistent cardio, you wont reduce BF, and of course without the proper diet any fitness goal you set for yourself would never be fully reached.

I dont think moderate aerobic training, like that required to burn fat, is catabolic to any significant degree.

We talk about this stuff every day though bro, so I guess my point is moot:)

BV
 
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BigVrunga said:
We talk about this stuff every day though bro, so I guess my point is moot:)

BV
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I know but for the sake of truth i had to correct your sentence.

PS: where are u on msn ATM?
I have a couple of things to show u.
 
I am on ECG right now at a low dose and I am getting good results so far...

25mg of ephedrine hcl from vasopro
200 mg of caffeine from No Doz
400 mg of Green Tea from Now

I am kind of sensitive to stims so I am splitting this dose in half and taking it twice a day..9:00am on a empty stomach before workout and 3:00 pm until I can take the full dose..I still feel it and my diet is about 700 cals below maintenance with weights and lots of cardio...love ECG......
 
I reduced BF just fine w/o doing any cardio one cycle. It is not necessary, but it can help. The form of cardio also makes a big difference. Where steady state cardio is more of a "calorie burner", something like HIIT is more of a "fat burner"...at least that's how it worked for me.

In any event, I vote for Thermorexin as a pretty potent thermogenic. From the ingredient profile, it seems to cover most bases.
 
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