Best test booster?

So in conclusion, sns bulbine is the best. It uses Prolensis, which is standardized bulbine. Standardized. Ive never paid more than 25$ for it, and when i got my mechanic who had low t on it, his levels went from 200 to 650, which is pretty much in synch with the claims that bulbine raises test 247% ( the 347% figure includes the test u already had for some reason.) incidentally, his levels remained elevated when he checked several months after being off it it, but that may just be something that only happens to people with low t . personally dont feel like i have 2 and a half times more test when i take it, but ive never done the bloodwork. its also said to lower estrogen, but nobody knows how
 
If bulbine by itself consistently raised test 250% in over 30% of ppl who use it....it would b selling like crack. Ppl do say they like it w a test boosting formula. Not only that but all the heavy hitter companys would have a Bulbine product. MP....etc. I know right now its hard to get a consistent supply of bulbine.
 
thescience said:
So in conclusion, sns bulbine is the best. It uses Prolensis, which is standardized bulbine. Standardized. Ive never paid more than 25$ for it, and when i got my mechanic who had low t on it, his levels went from 200 to 650, which is pretty much in synch with the claims that bulbine raises test 247% ( the 347% figure includes the test u already had for some reason.) incidentally, his levels remained elevated when he checked several months after being off it it, but that may just be something that only happens to people with low t . personally dont feel like i have 2 and a half times more test when i take it, but ive never done the bloodwork. its also said to lower estrogen, but nobody knows how
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In what conclusion? There is a reason that is not a popular ingredient for companies to use and why it never caught on.
 
I'm a fan of Bulbine. I enjoy using it and it works for me. Fadogia is probably my favorite overall
 
Bulbine does not work in my personal experience. I know from bloodwork. In fact my test went down. Bulbine has a high degree of unreliability and variation in outcomes which is one of the reasons it has failed to live up to its hype.
 
Just to be clear, Prolensis is actually a 10:1 ratio and 350mg correspond so to speak to 3,5g? Many bulbine products in UK (eg Bulkpowders, BBW) do not offer an extract. Hence, the dosing cannot really be compared. All over the net I see people comparing pure powder with extracts and mix up dosing protocols.

Anyone tried Bulkpowders UK Bulbine and at what dosage?
 
BeardedBreast said:
Isn't bulbine tough on the organs ?
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Apparently toxic effects in kidneys and liver at low dosages.
I take tongkat ali, none of these have been fully studied, so I can not say I am any better, but I do cringe when people mega dose on herbs that have not been fully studied, the lowest dosage that works is my goal.
 
mbonheur said:
Just to be clear, Prolensis is actually a 10:1 ratio and 350mg correspond so to speak to 3,5g? Many bulbine products in UK (eg Bulkpowders, BBW) do not offer an extract. Hence, the dosing cannot really be compared. All over the net I see people comparing pure powder with extracts and mix up dosing protocols.

Anyone tried Bulkpowders UK Bulbine and at what dosage?
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Well the way it works is 2:1....5:1.....10:1 etc its all an "extract." Those are called "full spectrum" extracts. Usually something is removed such as carbs etc from the plants to make it "concentrated." When you make tea...you just made an extract of whatever is in the tea bag.

Also with bulbaine (same with Long Jack) there is not one active you would standardize for to make a "standardized" extract. Like if ephedra is 30% ephedrine. That extract is standardized. Right now there is no standard for bulbaine and last I checked there were no consistent full spectrum extracts avail in US. Ive look a lot into bulbine and fadigoa in last 5 yrs.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
What's wrong with Fadogia?
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Nothing. Just not avail consistently. It works. But to make a supplement, well to do it the right way you need a consistent, credible supplier. None I deal with have a good supply at this time. Its like companies ok with buying random kgs of raws from Alibaba. Haha.

Also with full spectrum or whole herb extracts, its harder to qualify what you are getting because there is no one or two actives to test for. You could get a drum of crushed up dandelions...how you going to tell if its Fadigoa with no standard.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
Well the way it works is 2:1....5:1.....10:1 etc its all an "extract." Those are called "full spectrum" extracts. Usually something is removed such as carbs etc from the plants to make it "concentrated." When you make tea...you just made an extract of whatever is in the tea bag.

Also with bulbaine (same with Long Jack) there is not one active you would standardize for to make a "standardized" extract. Like if ephedra is 30% ephedrine. That extract is standardized. Right now there is no standard for bulbaine and last I checked there were no consistent full spectrum extracts avail in US. Ive look a lot into bulbine and fadigoa in last 5 yrs.
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Thanks

The Bulkpowders co UK Bulbine (can't post links yet) is not an extract or is it?

It would explain why they suggest such a high dosage
 
mbonheur said:
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The Bulkpowders co UK Bulbine (can't post links yet) is not an extract or is it?

It would explain why they suggest such a high dosage
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There are no Bulbaine standardized extracts. It might be a low full spectrum. Like 2:1. Doesnt mean it doesnt work. Bulbaine should work at like 400mg a day.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
There are no Bulbaine standardized extracts. It might be a low full spectrum. Like 2:1. Doesnt mean it doesnt work. Bulbaine should work at like 400mg a day.
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Ok, I always thought that an extract would be like the ratio of grams used to produce 1g of an extract. So like 10g of the plant to produce 1g if 10:1. Can it not just be 1:1, so pure powder or something? And is the dosing not depending on the ratio, ie if 10:1 you need less than if 2:1. So in this bulkpowders case they provide 750mg tabs and they suggest 3 tabs. I'm having troubles to understand their instructions. Thanks for your help
 
mbonheur said:
Ok, I always thought that an extract would be like the ratio of grams used to produce 1g of an extract. So like 10g of the plant to produce 1g if 10:1. Can it not just be 1:1, so pure powder or something? And is the dosing not depending on the ratio, ie if 10:1 you need less than if 2:1. So in this bulkpowders case they provide 750mg tabs and they suggest 3 tabs. I'm having troubles to understand their instructions. Thanks for your help
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That dose is probably 1:1 dosing would depend on ratio is correct
 
Ape McGrapes said:
What's wrong with Fadogia?
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The guy who claims he brought it to the u.s. Wont have anything to do with jt. He was saying the issue was with the hpa axis as i recall. Hes also the guy who stated bulbine raised test 247% , based purely on his own bloodwork. To my knowledge, my mechanic and him are the only guys who had levels raised like that.

As far as why everyone doesnt sell bulbine goes, there could be lots of reasons like availability, lack of agreement with the prolensis providers. Who knows? Maybe iforce does; they replaced prolensis in one of their formulations
 
mbonheur said:
Just to be clear, Prolensis is actually a 10:1 ratio and 350mg correspond so to speak to 3,5g? Many bulbine products in UK (eg Bulkpowders, BBW) do not offer an extract. Hence, the dosing cannot really be compared. All over the net I see people comparing pure powder with extracts and mix up dosing protocols.

Anyone tried Bulkpowders UK Bulbine and at what dosage?
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The issue with bulbine is that too much has a lowering effect on test, so i dont really recommend experimenting unless u r doing tests
 
ucheoma said:
Correct me if im wrong but i believe the 247% figure was based on a rats study
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Thats the exact amount from the study.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
Who brought Fadogia to the U.S. market?
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Who knows. The guy who claims he developed it was anthony roberts i believe; read his article a long time ago; back then there was absolutely nothing else on bulbine really. Anyway, he claims to have raised his levels 347%, but his math was tricky as he included the 100% he already had.
 
Oh man, there used to be this stuff too called phytoserms 347. Ive never seen any gains from a test booster, but that stuff was crazy on libido; it was satanic; it was pretty much impossible engaging in ordinary activities on that stuff. It had bulbine and a potent extract if stinging nettle in it. Ive been meaning to get the stinging nettle alone for experimentation someday, but the only one ive come Across is from barlow, who didnt bother to find out what exactly it was extracted for, despite being Aware people were hotly debating how potent it was
 
thescience said:
Who knows. The guy who claims he developed it was anthony roberts i believe; read his article a long time ago; back then there was absolutely nothing else on bulbine really. Anyway, he claims to have raised his levels 347%, but his math was tricky as he included the 100% he already had.
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Fadogia or Bulbine? One of us are confused here.

Anthony Roberts is very controversial. Don't know I'd trust everything he says.

EDIT: I remeber reading Anthony's article on sourcing Bulbine. Pretty sure it was all mostly bragging rights.
 
Every article Ive ever read about someone sourcing anything has always been propaganda
 
thescience said:
Oh man, there used to be this stuff too called phytoserms 347. Ive never seen any gains from a test booster, but that stuff was crazy on libido; it was satanic; it was pretty much impossible engaging in ordinary activities on that stuff. It had bulbine and a potent extract if stinging nettle in it. Ive been meaning to get the stinging nettle alone for experimentation someday, but the only one ive come Across is from barlow, who didnt bother to find out what exactly it was extracted for, despite being Aware people were hotly debating how potent it was
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Phytoserms 347 is still around. I believe it's been constantly reformulated! In fact this is the product I took when bulbine first hit the scene. As per my previous post did nothing for me, In fact my Test levels declined slightly. Id be very wary of the phytoserms 347 product. A triumph of marketing over science! £109 for a bulbine + fadogia supplement? Pretty scammy to me.

And the 347% figure was not from test results of Anthony Roberts. It came from a rat study! I don't believe this increase has been reliably replicated in humans but perhaps someone can post bloodwork.

.Anabolic and androgenic activities of Bulbine natalensis stem in male Wistar rats. Yakubu MT, Afolayan AJ. Pharm Biol. 2010 May;48(5):56876.PMID: 20645801
 
Bruce Kneller knows where all the bodies are buried - he used to do "site inspections" for various companies looking for raws suppliers. China, India, etc...

Yeah, all the Bulbine studies *except* the Sports Nutrition Research, LTD (Franklin Square, NY) 28 day safety study, were in rats.
 
Matt Cahill owns ProLensis and brought Bulbuline to the market, Matt Cahill owns Sports Nutrition Research.

Anthony and Matt are good friends so Anthony wrote articles to help promote it.
 
Adizzle1 said:
Matt Cahill owns ProLensis and brought Bulbuline to the market, Matt Cahill owns Sports Nutrition Research.

Anthony and Matt are good friends so Anthony wrote articles to help promote it.
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OMG!, Did you hear Jessica got a new perm?. Lisa doesn't like but Lisa like likes Jeff, but what's even more crazy is Jeff is sooooo into Cindy!!!!!
 
lol not sure that I get the joke, was this common knowledge already? I didnt read the entire thread it just seemed people were wondering who brought Bulbine to the market so was just clearing that up.
 
hercules_22 said:
Backed by papers huh...
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Tunza_Muscle said:
Activate Xtreme
Triazole
Cellucor P6
Animal Test
Nutrex TUP
N2 Generate
Biotest Alpha Male
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Some of those things back in the day actually worked very well, but do you know why? Because they were spiked with steroids. That's not a guess, it's a fact.

So homeboy and his 17 other carbon copies screaming I gotta stay natty, your not natty because back in the day you took steroids
 
M-Test by CEL and Optimize-T by SNS are still my go to when it comes to natty test boosters. Hard to beat them in my opinion.
 
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