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Best SARM for Strength

Cgkone said:
S23
S4
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The source I use sells S4 in 30 mg pills. What you choose?

30mg a day for 12 weeks
60mg a day for 6 weeks

For financial reasons those are my choices. LGD is about half the price through them. That’s why I was thinking of trying to cut using that. But you’ve talked up S4 a lot so maybe I gotta try it.
 
YoungThor said:
The source I use sells S4 in 30 mg pills. What you choose?

30mg a day for 12 weeks
60mg a day for 6 weeks

For financial reasons those are my choices. LGD is about half the price through them. That’s why I was thinking of trying to cut using that. But you’ve talked up S4 a lot so maybe I gotta try it.
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Your fine with the vision sides?
 
I’ve used s-4 at 40 mgs a day for 4 wks and continued to gain strength the entire time. I was about 215 lbs then/5’9”. No weight gain though.
 
I loved s4 as well. I ran it up to 70mg. Vision sides started to get annoying at 70. Very very minimal at 50mg. No yellowing just some delay in adjusting to different lighting. Been off a while now and vision has been normal since about 2 days after last dose. I’ve got 2 more cycles of it in the drawer.
 
Brenwad said:
Crazy to use a drug with such negative sides.
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Yeah. I would be nervous that they might be permanent to an extent. I got some weird vision sides off some party favors I consumed a while back and they stayed for weeks. It was scary.
 
YoungThor said:
The source I use sells S4 in 30 mg pills. What you choose?

30mg a day for 12 weeks
60mg a day for 6 weeks

For financial reasons those are my choices. LGD is about half the price through them. That’s why I was thinking of trying to cut using that. But you’ve talked up S4 a lot so maybe I gotta try it.
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S4 needs to be 50mg or higher. IMO
 
YoungThor said:
The source I use sells S4 in 30 mg pills. What you choose?

30mg a day for 12 weeks
60mg a day for 6 weeks

For financial reasons those are my choices. LGD is about half the price through them. That’s why I was thinking of trying to cut using that. But you’ve talked up S4 a lot so maybe I gotta try it.
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S4 works great on me
 
The best way to run s4 is start at 30 mg a week
Bump 10 mg every week
Around 50mg things get good but sides start.
I mean its really not that bad. But everybody is different.
I think once you start you'll like it.
I use it as a bridge
 
flandersguy said:
LGD
S4
Rad
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I’m going to get over my fear of the discolored urine side effect and pick me up some S23. Everyone seems to have good results, but I think running a good liver support is a must as evident by the urine color change side some users have.
 
JoePaul39 said:
I’m going to get over my fear of the discolored urine side effect and pick me up some S23. Everyone seems to have good result, but I think running a good liver support is a must as evident by the urine color change side some users have.
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You should.
My main gripe was....I could achieve those same results and better with a hole list of orals.
Take the s23 you'll have fun
 
Cgkone said:
You should.
My main gripe was....I could achieve those same results and better with a hole list of orals.
Take the s23 you'll have fun
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Ya I am going to dive in. Even if it has that negative liver effect a few cycles shouldn’t hurt as long as the cycle length is kept shorter and sufficient time is taken off between cycles. Not like I plan on running it the rest of my life. I know you can get better results like you said from other compounds with liver sides, but the advantage for me to S23 is it is legal...at least for now that is.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Yeah. I would be nervous that they might be permanent to an extent. I got some weird vision sides off some party favors I consumed a while back and they stayed for weeks. It was scary.
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Part of the journey is the fun of experimentation....saying that, even a risk of permanent vision issues rules out ben attempting this sarm.
 
Good responses here. I think I might order a small batch of osta even though I don’t like the stuff. I do believe in its healing ability though so I might run it 2-4 weeks during physical therapy and then jump right into my actual cycle. My actual cycle being S4 for the cut and strength or lgd for the anticatibolism and strength. Lgd is cheap for me and poses no weird side effect risks so it’s tempting to go that way. I’m surprised nobody is mentioning it here because I thought lgd was the strength king of SARMS. S23 is out of the question because of potential hardcore hepatoxicity.
 
I recommend you S4-Andarine. According to some shreds of evidence, the results obtained to the stack of Andarine and Ostarine is very similar to the results of testosterone with Winstrol. This just means that SARMS are not steroids because of their less androgenic and anabolic results that can be found in actual steroids. But the good thing is, the results are the same. Andarine can be used alone with impressive results.

If you are aiming for lean body mass, Andarine can help you oxidize those fat and will stop your body from getting catabolic if you go on a low diet. The results of Andarine would be dry, hard looking lean body with increased vascularity. It can give you the endurance and vigor that you need even in low calorie. Andarine is taken in high doses to improve your frame with hard muscles. You can also stack it with other SARMs or you can use it alone with amazing benefits.
 
MaXa said:
I recommend you S4-Andarine. According to some shreds of evidence, the results obtained to the stack of Andarine and Ostarine is very similar to the results of testosterone with Winstrol. This just means that SARMS are not steroids because of their less androgenic and anabolic results that can be found in actual steroids. But the good thing is, the results are the same. Andarine can be used alone with impressive results.

If you are aiming for lean body mass, Andarine can help you oxidize those fat and will stop your body from getting catabolic if you go on a low diet. The results of Andarine would be dry, hard looking lean body with increased vascularity. It can give you the endurance and vigor that you need even in low calorie. Andarine is taken in high doses to improve your frame with hard muscles. You can also stack it with other SARMs or you can use it alone with amazing benefits.
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Do you know a minimum dosage to see results with S4? It was mentioned above that 50mg is usually the minimum, is that what you think too?

Maybe I’ll stack it with the osta at the beginning of the cycle. I’m already on 20mg a day of mk677 and will be for months.
 
Why not just run anavar or tbol?
 
Tbol is something I’d be down with. That’s like the max I’m willing to spend right now. Anavar will be something I’ll have to wait on. Going the AAS route would be a bit of a jump for me because of some risks with annoying side effects, like shedding and acne, but tbol is supposed to be relatively mild i hear. And then I gotta worry about how long it’ll take to get here and clear customs. Have you run tbol? What’s the minimum effective dose?
 
I ran it at 40 with good results. I'll PM you
 
Interesting discussion about the S4, which is a favourite of mine.

LGD is good, but suppresses me hard, and there’s the lethargy too.
 
YoungThor said:
Good responses here. I think I might order a small batch of osta even though I don’t like the stuff. I do believe in its healing ability though so I might run it 2-4 weeks during physical therapy and then jump right into my actual cycle. My actual cycle being S4 for the cut and strength or lgd for the anticatibolism and strength. Lgd is cheap for me and poses no weird side effect risks so it’s tempting to go that way. I’m surprised nobody is mentioning it here because I thought lgd was the strength king of SARMS. S23 is out of the question because of potential hardcore hepatoxicity.
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LGD is nowhere near s4 s23 for strength.
Nobody has had any lingering vision sides from s4.
 
YoungThor said:
Do you know a minimum dosage to see results with S4? It was mentioned above that 50mg is usually the minimum, is that what you think too?

Maybe I’ll stack it with the osta at the beginning of the cycle. I’m already on 20mg a day of mk677 and will be for months.
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50mg.
You start at 30mg and bump 10mg EW.
At 50mg you should get sides if you even get them. Then you decide if you want to add more.
80 is magic.
 
YoungThor said:
Good responses here. I think I might order a small batch of osta even though I don’t like the stuff. I do believe in its healing ability though so I might run it 2-4 weeks during physical therapy and then jump right into my actual cycle. My actual cycle being S4 for the cut and strength or lgd for the anticatibolism and strength. Lgd is cheap for me and poses no weird side effect risks so it’s tempting to go that way. I’m surprised nobody is mentioning it here because I thought lgd was the strength king of SARMS. S23 is out of the question because of potential hardcore hepatoxicity.
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"Hardcore" hepatotoxicity? NO steroid--not even the very harshest methyls--could be considered "hardcore" hepatotoxic....and S23 is much less harsh on the liver compared to the methylated AAS.

S23 is by NO MEANS "hardcore" hepatotoxic. There is WAYYYYYY to much concern on this board for the liver. The next time someone on ANY bodybuilding board dies of liver failure, then talk to me. There have been literally 1000's upon 1000's of people who have SEVERELY abused the most toxic oral AAS out there--for years on end with no breaks and no liver support---and their livers fully recovered without issue. I won't even get into the MILLIONS of bodybuilders who have abused oral AAS for extended periods of time with no liver support...and are completely fine.

You see, about 15 years ago (when methylated designers started being released by supp companies), these same companies started telling everyone that they had to use liver support to "protect" themselves...and guess who was selling them this liver support? I shouldn't even have to tell you. Because of this everyone started thinking their liver was going to die from a 4 week cycle. LOL.

Back in the 70's-80' bodybuilders would commonly use 50-200 mg of orals daily for 16-20 weeks at a time--without any liver support---and their livers fully recovered with no long-term damage. Many of the more advanced (pro) bodybuilders would use literally 100's of mg's daily for YEARS...with ZERO breaks! None of them died.

In thee 90's...and up through today...it was/is not not uncommon for bodybuilders to use 100's of mg's of orals daily for extended period of time. How many of the pros from the 90's through today have died from liver failure...or needed a liver transplant? Did you say none? Yes, that would be correct.

Now let me ask you this. How many bodybuilders are experiencing serious cardiovascular issues...and even dying? A ****-TON! If you count the number of unknown amateur/non-competing steroid users have had heart attacks or strokes...or who have severe atherosclerosis...or who have died, the number is massive.

You know what the MAIN contributor to this is? Oral (methylated ) AAS use. Methylated AAS DESTROY the cardiovascular system by trashing the lipid profile. You want to see your good cholesterol in the single digits? Then go ahead and use a "mild" steroid Anavar. Two weeks later get some lab work and you'll find out really fast how un-mild this steroid (and every other methyl) really is!

Anyone who thinks oral AAS are healthier than SARMs has NO CLUE what they are talking about..

STOP worrying about the liver an start protecting your cardiovascular system...because I can GUARANTEE you that no one here is going to be posting that they ended up in the hospital getting a liver transplant, but MANY people here WILL end up with serious cardiovascular issues.

I am NOT saying the liver doesn't matter. It does. What I am saying is that the liver is not what people should be concerned about. They should be concerned about protecting their cardiovascular system...because that is what is going to sustain REAL damage. If you want to greatly increase your chances of ending up with clogged arteries and having a premature heart attack, start using methylated AAS several times per year for the next decade. As for SARMs, they are the least of our worries.

Note: This post was not directed solely at the OP, but was more of a general post directed to the board at large.
 
Thanks Mike Arnold for the very educational post. This is a perspective changer. It’s the ticker in your chest that’s most important. Good point, I’ve never heard of a steroid user needing a liver transplant but heart attack’s are not uncommon for long term users.
 
YoungThor said:
Thanks Mike Arnold for the very educational post. This is a perspective changer. It’s the ticker in your chest that’s most important. Good point, I’ve never heard of a steroid user needing a liver transplant but heart attack’s are not uncommon for long term users.
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Heart attacks are not uncommon for men in general bro.
 
YoungThor said:
Of course. But they’re uncommon for men who work out hard and take nutrition seriously, unless they abuse steroids. Abuse being a key word though.
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Not sure. I think the leading cause of death is heart disease.
How else do men die in America.
Its usually the heart or cancer right?
I mean your for sure going to die.
Most likely the heart. Actually mistakes by doctors is high on the list too
 
Cgkone said:
Not sure. I think the leading cause of death is heart disease.
How else do men die in America.
Its usually the heart or cancer right?
I mean your for sure going to die.
Most likely the heart. Actually mistakes by doctors is high on the list too
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I agree. Cancer and heart disease can pretty much kill anyone, even if they take a ton of precautions in their life. But we know that really abusing steroids hard at mega dose levels over decades greatly increases your risk of heart attack. And even then you might get away with it. But look at Rich Piana. I think the juice had something to do with his heart attack but other life choices probably played a part too.

But millions of people will use steroids and not die from them. In the grand scheme of things, they’re actually pretty safe compared to all the other sh1t people consume. Eating too much sugar everyday would probably kill you way faster then mega dosing steroids year round.
 
YoungThor said:
I agree. Cancer and heart disease can pretty much kill anyone, even if they take a ton of precautions in their life. But we know that really abusing steroids hard at mega dose levels over decades greatly increases your risk of heart attack. And even then you might get away with it. But look at Rich Piana. I think the juice had something to do with his heart attack but other life choices probably played a part too.

But millions of people will use steroids and not die from them. In the grand scheme of things, they’re actually pretty safe compared to all the other sh1t people consume. Eating too much sugar everyday would probably kill you way faster then mega dosing steroids year round.
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WORD!
 
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