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Best pre-workout stim for evening workouts? (i.e. still able to sleep!)

Sulbutiamine is the only small stimulant I could recommend -- one that is mainly a small focus agent if anything; however, I'd also tell you to look towards non-stims for your pre.

MAN Clout & Body Octane, SNS FocusXT (stim free), iForce Hemavol, Omega Sports Ultima, Genomyx Protocol v2

Swagger was dropped ITT, and while it's a great supplement -- it has several ingredients that would typically interfere with sleep dosed so close to bed, primarily DMAA.


edit: Holy 2010.
 
I get good energy from Condense and by the time I'm done working out and have a post workout meal, I'm back normal and relaxed. Workout 7-8 and I'm asleep by 10
 
I used to use stim-free Ragnarok and Hemodraulix. Awesome combination and synergy. - It's not hard to find a pre-workout that is stim-free, but you're going to need to do some searching for the right product.

You could always make your own with bulk powders as well. - Keep in mind that pre-workouts are strongly driven by the stim-factor involved. Outside of that, there is really only achieving muscular/cardiovascular endurance. Creatine/AAKG has been a safe staple for many for a long time. I try to stay away from nitrates now, as well as anything AA-related.

Assuming you don't do it often, you could drop 25mg of diphenhydramine at the tail of your workout if you truly need to wind down.
 
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