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Best PH for weight loss?

Raider103

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5’10
19 yrs old
190pnds
Never done a cycle
I’ve lost just about 50 pounds and it’s taken about a year, I have roughly 10-15 to go and want to speed the process. I plan to take tren once I finally lose my belly but want to take something to understand cycles and cut this fat. Any tips or info on taking a cycle, and your opinion on what will be the best option for me will be greatly appreciated.
I lift about 5 days a week on average, sometimes up to 8 or 9. Cardio almost every day.
 
Raider103 said:
5’10
19 yrs old
190pnds
Never done a cycle
I’ve lost just about 50 pounds and it’s taken about a year, I have roughly 10-15 to go and want to speed the process. I plan to take tren once I finally lose my belly but want to take something to understand cycles and cut this fat. Any tips or info on taking a cycle, and your opinion on what will be the best option for me will be greatly appreciated.
I lift about 5 days a week on average, sometimes up to 8 or 9. Cardio almost every day.
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Yeah....Nothing. Are you retarded. Your 19. You dont need anything. Get your diet on point and lift heavy.
 
Lets see if I can get a few people in here for you: hairygrandpa@rtmilburn@alphagainz@SFreed@CJNator@HIT4ME@wesb2387@Tank999@DennisTheDane@Juicedeez utz@BEAST73@Alpha1agreda@LeanEngineer@coltonwalker@Brandinooooo@Sparkss@blueline438@lifted67@smith_69@rtmilburn@FireTitan@alphagainz@ChocolateClen@justhere4comm@matt8483@ryane87@nostrum420@mmorso@HIT4ME@thebigt@Dirty Dan@Bmac63095@TNlifting@Matthersby Tank999@BloodManor@angcd3@habajaba@mmorso@cwages@TheMyth@lukehayd@thebigt@Oconns28@jalfrey@bloodnthunder@jtmass@Martyfnemec@christ83189@GrizzleB@BOSSMAN@chedapalooza@BennyMagoo79@Brienn8989@Tbl16@Bman1970@PoSiTiVeFLoW@Cgkone@LeanEngineer@AntM1564@Newth hairygrandpa@SouthPawSD@christ83189@SkRaw85@flandersguy@MrKleen73@Whiskey@Cscott622@Hyde@bloodnthunder@Newth@love2liftkat@stacy1212 RickyBlobby bigbeaph JoePaul39 adammorrow36
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Lets see if I can get a few people in here for you: hairygrandpa*@rtmilburn*@alphagainz@SFreed*@CJNator*@HIT4ME*@wesb2387@Tank999*@DennisTheDane*@Juicedeez utz@BEAST73*@Alpha1agreda*@LeanEngineer@coltonwalker*@Brandinooooo*@Sparkss@blueline438*@lifted67*@smith_69@rtmilburn*@FireTitan*@alphagainz@ChocolateClen*@justhere4comm@matt8483*@ryane87*@nostrum420@mmorso*@HIT4ME*@thebigt*@Dirty Dan@Bmac63095*@TNlifting*@Matthersby Tank999*@BloodManor*@angcd3@habajaba*@mmorso*@cwages*@TheMyth@lukehayd*@thebigt*@Oconns28*@jalfrey@bloodnthunder*@jtmass*@Martyfnemec@christ83189*@GrizzleB*@BOSSMAN@chedapalooza*@BennyMagoo79@Brienn8989*@Tbl16*@Bman1970@PoSiTiVeFLoW*@Cgkone*@LeanEngineer@AntM1564*@Newth hairygrandpa@SouthPawSD*@christ83189*@SkRaw85@flandersguy*@MrKleen73*@Whiskey@Cscott622*@Hyde*@bloodnthunder@Newth*@love2liftkat*@stacy1212 RickyBlobby bigbeaph JoePaul39 adammorrow36
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Fine leave me out...lol
 
Raider103 said:
5’10
19 yrs old
190pnds
Never done a cycle
I’ve lost just about 50 pounds and it’s taken about a year, I have roughly 10-15 to go and want to speed the process. I plan to take tren once I finally lose my belly but want to take something to understand cycles and cut this fat. Any tips or info on taking a cycle, and your opinion on what will be the best option for me will be greatly appreciated.
I lift about 5 days a week on average, sometimes up to 8 or 9. Cardio almost every day.
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Hey OP,

What made you lose 50lbs, injury?

Never done a cycle and you are considering Tren? Not a good choice for first cycle? Only 19, too young IMHO.

Ever done blood work? You will need that before considering any cycle to know health baseline. And what's your natural test levels?

I think I write this now once a day, if you're natural test is 800-1100ng/dl and you are 19... WAY too young.

You do know that starting harsh cycle s like Tren can hasten your path to needing TRT, not optionally... Your natural test may or may not restore after such a cycle.

For a first cycle, look at 1/4 epi Andros. Epichatecin, etc. Avoid strong gear cycles. If you are considering Tren for a first cycle, never even tried plan Testosterone cycle? Then you need to do years more research and come back after you have health baseline.

So many young bucks want to risk their health and endocrine system, to save a little time...
 
Lots of my buddies started tren right away, most started at 17 and 18...it’s just frustrating af being in the gym all the time and seeing all these guys around me blow up hahaha while putting in half the work
 
Raider103 said:
Lots of my buddies started tren right away, most started at 17 and 18...it’s just frustrating af being in the gym all the time and seeing all these guys around me blow up hahaha while putting in half the work
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Your buddies are stupid... If you do it right you can be twice their size in no time
 
I got to 240 after I fractured my foot in football, really weird fracture that took months to heal after surgury, bed locked + bad diet + no motivation = 240 pounds
 
Cycle?

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Congratulations on your 50lbs fat loss! Now, after "phase one" comes "phase two". By now your metabolism slowed down, the body is in energy saving mode.
Just buy some Radiate (stimulant -and thermogenic) and the rest fat will fly off. If you cycle now, you:
1. May ruin your balls for good at 19 yo.
2. will have only marginally success, because your BF% is still too high (Test converts more readily to estrogen, all other roids have more pronounced side effects)
3. Tren will fugg you up mentally, besides shrinking your nuts to rice corn size

Clean your diet, train hard, pop some stimulants (Radiate is a really good one). At your age, your natural testosterone levels are high enough to get ripped and muscular. A PH is not some "weaker roid substitute". PH's ARE roids!
 
Raider103 said:
Lots of my buddies started tren right away, most started at 17 and 18...it’s just frustrating af being in the gym all the time and seeing all these guys around me blow up hahaha while putting in half the work
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Wow, 17 and 18... And then we wonder why government gets all nanny-state and ban stuff. What a*hole gives a kid Tren (knowing the sides)? Teenagers are wild anyway, so add real roid rage??

I bet $10 they might make some quick gains, but they have no idea what to do if something goes wrong...

Are they using a Test base, getting monthly bloodwork to track everything from liver, kidney, heart, cholesterol, hormone levels, et.al? Do they know what to do when the party is over and they go off cycle?

I once considered gear in 1999, at 19 as a young Airman First class and it was way harder to get/shadier then. I was tall quick, fast, and wiry strong... But a ectomorph 6'2" skeleton. Turns out my diet was crap, I had tons of natural test, and training was newer to me... Aas or gear was not the right solution, it was a poor short cut.

Despite all my book knowledge, had I done that stuff being arrogant at 19, I almost certainly would have made mistakes with consequences that I was not ready to handle. No one at that age is. I mean if Arnold used doctor supervision to master lifting and roids, without harming himself... Why kids think they can cheat the system, beyond me?

Besides mental maturity,one should study way more about the human body & endocrine system, medicine, chemistry, lifting, nutrition, and aging.

I think I'll make a FAQ stick post I can just refer all new/young folks too. Sort of IF/THEN/ELSE decision tree or chart.

Trust me I waited 19 years to try Deca Durabolin for example. I'm almost 40, had kids, and my natural test and physique was declining after 35 like a lot of athletes... But my maturity and patience is way better now, so even if I make a mistake I'm better prepared.
 
Arnold started using gear when he was 16. But, he had everything down from diet, training and so fourth.

I’d say it’s fair to take gear at 18. Best decision? Fawk no, but if everything is aligned in the way it’s supposed to as far as your foundation for your lifestyle. And THEN the drugs. More than likely most people will be fine. This shet doesn’t kill you. But in most cases like this one. Completely unnecessary.
 
Here's my thoughts OP...listen to these guys. This tren talk blows my mind...you have no idea the mental crap that slowly sneaks up on you. You WILL NOT recognize it as such and you WILL make bad decisions. Not to mention the negative physical effects! You've got the world in your palm regarding this weightlifting stuff at your age. Especially if you play ball...here is what you do. Cut out all the sh!t in your diet. No need for fun sugars...keep the sugar content for your oatmeal flavor. Once your eating clean dont necessarily eat to lose weight. Lift your a$$ off. High rep or heavy weight, whatever you enjoy the most because that's going to keep you going hard and having fun. (I'd recommend throwing around some fuggin heavy weight though) with your age and a clean diet you are going to build muscle rapidly. That muscle is going to require calories to survive and will burn off fat like you wouldn't believe....as long as your not eating any crap foods. That's my 2 cents anyway....you'll gain better than your trenhead friends that put in half the work I promise - and the gains will stick around for you. Good luck
 
You don't give a 19 year old a ferrari for a reason. Most people on here will suggest that you're far too young (which you are since you're endocrine system isn't fully developed), that you're far too inexperienced (which you are, since youre young and havent built a foundation with which to build from), and that you're far to ignorant (I don't mean this negatively, but if you have to ask basic questions that are diet/nutrition/exercise related, then you're ignorant) to begin a cycle. And they're all correct. All of your friends on tren may be bigger and stronger now, but give a few years and when they all have gyno they can't get rid of and a trashed hormonal system from it never being able to fully develop, they'll regret it.

But op, if you don't listen and decide to cycle anyway, just do everyone a favor and don't blame the ferrari just because yo ass can't drive. Its sad seeing all the good **** being banned.

To answer the question, tren is probably the overall best (mind you, its balanced in positives and negatives), but other compounds can have quite profound hardening and vascularity effects at lower bfs, like Winstrol.
 
I am going to leave this thread the same way I came in.. by stumbling spewing abbreviations and then a list. NFW YDFM BBQ WTF

Diet
Programming
Motivation
Sleep
Recuperation
Repeat
 
If your like naturally heavy I would recommend an eca stack.
 
Who cares if the other guys in the gym look better than you? It’s within your power to focus solely on your own bodybuilding endeavors, and ultimately that’s what will bring you satisfaction. So stop comparing yourself to these kids on tren and think about what you have to do to better yourself.
 
Raider103 said:
Lots of my buddies started tren right away, most started at 17 and 18...it’s just frustrating af being in the gym all the time and seeing all these guys around me blow up hahaha while putting in half the work
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Okay so I can relate to this. All my friends at 18-20 started doing test and blew the F Up. Like monsters at that age. If you were like me, I ended up caving and ran my first cycle at 22. If hindsight is 20/20, I regret doing it-- not because it messed up my body, but because now I feel powerless without it 10 years later. It's not about the physical sides, but the mental high you get off and start to get addicted. Run what you want, but be careful. You truly are in the best natural age to just take advantage of your test. If you must run something, do not do tren for Christ sakes. Start off with 1-AD and do some research and get cycle support.
 
But to answer your initial question-- like RB stated, EC Stack would be your best bet. No PH causes weight loss directly, it creates Lean Body Mass which facilitates weight loss, or a leaner look.
 
Op, kudos for humbly taking in the great advice you’re getting here from some really caring and knowledgeable guys. The last younger guy coming in asking for help just started attacking those trying to help him bc he didn’t get the advice he wanted.
Yes, the results come faster, but consider that unless you have a strong understanding of a dozen different ways your body personally responds to diet and training, the results will dissipate so fast after the cycle is concluded, that they will be forgotten in a matter of weeks.

You asked early on, heavy low rep or high rep. This tells me you haven’t tested both out and know EXACTLY how each affects your physique, as well as time under tension, drop sets, negatives, burnouts, half reps, FST-7, 5x5, etc etc etc. I feel like one should know exactly which of these work best, when to use them, how exactly each one increases hypertrophy, how eating late at night treats you, how high carb bs low carb treats you, whether hiit or liss helps with fat loss, whether cardio before, after during training helps, or on off days. I could type forever. You’ve got so much time to get good at this. Trust me, your real life won’t begin until 30 typically, you wont have given up on lifting and be shopping at JCPenny’s and Bed Bath and Beyond, drive a minivan at not care how your physique looks. Hopefully, with some help on here, you’ll just be hiring your stride with your physique, and can then possibly look at some ped’s to take you to that next level.
- lift as heavy as you can for the next year while in a calorie deficit but protein consistently at 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight. Get as strong as you can while shredding every last bit of bodyfat off you. There’s more than enough diet info just in this thread and maybe 5 other threads on here.
- Then start your lean bulk, with whichever diet will put lean muscle on you. Most of us have posted can make gains and achieve a low bf physique on a TRT dose that brings us to where your natty test is presumably already at. You can do this. It’s all knowledge. I had some boneheaded ideas about diet and training prior to 2010 when I first started reading AM for 1-2 hours a day. This place is how you change your physique. Read every day..
 
guys, the long and short is: 19yr olds arent allowed to post in the anabolics section... Raider103 take this convo to the training or nutrition or some other forum becuase you're not old enough for this stuff. or get banned. either one
 
Raider103 said:
5’10
19 yrs old
190pnds
Never done a cycle
I’ve lost just about 50 pounds and it’s taken about a year, I have roughly 10-15 to go and want to speed the process. I plan to take tren once I finally lose my belly but want to take something to understand cycles and cut this fat. Any tips or info on taking a cycle, and your opinion on what will be the best option for me will be greatly appreciated.
I lift about 5 days a week on average, sometimes up to 8 or 9. Cardio almost every day.
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Sure PHs work but at that age you are screwing yourself. Trust me, you mess withh our natural hormones and pay for it in the long run. You are young, your natural hormones are at a great place (usually, unless you've done bloods to prove otherwise) but they won't really bounce back completelly (only nearly and that's if you do the PCT correctly). I experimented with PHs first when I was 26 and I'm now thinking it might have been too soon.

look at Evomuse products. Lots of different weight loss products, expensive but they work. A choice of products for both overweight and those trying to loose those last few pounds.
 
You'll be amazed at how good you look and how quickly you gain if you listen to these guys and get your diet/ training/ rest in check. It is time to start playing around with things like creatine....I am 34 and still firkin love creatine. And the host of like supps that will only add to your experience. Like someone stated above, a lot of us throw in a TRT dose of test to get to the test levels that you seemingly should be at. Dude, get that stuff down and you will feel invincible....no exxageration
 
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