best ph cycle/pct recommendation

top gun

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alright guys. used to do every prohormone/natural supplement available, but haven't touched them in 4 years. obviously the game has changed quite a bit since then. i'm looking for recommendatiosn on stacks to build muscle, strength and size. if you were going to start a 8-12 week cycle with completely otc/legal ph's what would you build - including pct? here's a bit on me:
29 yrs old, lifting for 13 years, 5'10" 195 lbs, low bf (8-10%)
always been naturally strong and lean. bench over 400, squat over 5. played fball in college and have experimented with nearly every natural supplement.
diet is very good, 50% protein, 30 carb and 20 fat..
only current supps. are multi. vit. and whey (preworkout energy booster (animal pump or no xplode)) periodically.
workout split is 2 on 1 off. 4 day split is back, chest, shoulders and legs and do bi's or tri's every workout along with a major.
i've been at my current stats for about 5 years and would like to add 6-10 lbs of muscle. any ideas would be appreciated. i'm not looking to add 50 lbs or use consistantly... let me know if you have recommendations or have any questions for me. thanks.
 
everythings methyl. for the most part

you could run something like this (depending on your goal)

maxlmg for 8 weeks
superdrol for first 4

you could probably gain pretty big off that
 
pablogdog said:
From the stats you've posted it looks like you just need to eat more. No need for PH/DS.
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im sorry but did you miss where he said he squats over 500 and benches over 400?

AND THAT HES USED PHS BEFORE?


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op, i love clomid/aromasin pct... for pretty much all the stuff out right now you should use a serm
 
Yeah, I read his post and if he has that going on and has used "every prohormone/natural supplement available, but haven't touched them in 4 years", he should be able to add LBM with diet modification.
 
This is a ph board... Unless someone is under 21 or has absolutely no muscle mass, please just be helpful and answer their question.
 
thanks guys... anyone else have recommendations?

knowbull, i've actualy personally injected two cows, but it wasn't with finaplix - one was your mom and one was your sister.
 
top gun said:
thanks guys... anyone else have recommendations?

knowbull, i've actualy personally injected two cows, but it wasn't with finaplix - one was your mom and one was your sister.
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lol, cool, yer trippin man cos I have neither, you could be my son tho...
 
Lol
 
Knowbull said:
lol, cool, yer trippin man cos I have neither, you could be my son tho...
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na, my dad is at the bar smoking cigarettes and getting drunk... he doesn't even know how to turn on a computer.

all that aside, you have 1,652 posts... you must have some better advice than eating steroid exposed meat...?
 
top gun said:
na, my dad is at the bar smoking cigarettes and getting drunk... he doesn't even know how to turn on a computer.

all that aside, you have 1,652 posts... you must have some better advice than eating steroid exposed meat...?
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I apologize, A straight low dose cycle of Epistane, with the TRT, pure oral Resveratrol, NAC, ALCAR, and R-lipoic acid for PCT, stacking the cycle with low dose of transdermal tren (cant remember the name, its good tho) should do it. The idea is to minimize shut-down and avoid a crash to keep gaining. Really, this should work well for you. I hope that helps.
 
Knowbull said:
I apologize, A straight low dose cycle of Epistane, with the TRT, pure oral Resveratrol, NAC, ALCAR, and R-lipoic acid for PCT, stacking the cycle with low dose of transdermal tren (cant remember the name, its good tho) should do it. The idea is to minimize shut-down and avoid a crash to keep gaining. Really, this should work well for you. I hope that helps.
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thanks man... i'll have to do some research as that's all greek to me but, if you're being serious, i appreciate it.
 
To the op, run dzine with m-lmg for 4 weeks then stanodrol and 11-sterone for another 4 weeks.

No otc pct is going to work with any cycle over 6 weeks, but a start for pct will be topical formestane, daa, reduce xt, pct assist, then all you need is some clomid
 
top gun said:
thanks man... i'll have to do some research as that's all greek to me but, if you're being serious, i appreciate it.
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Ya, Im being serious, if this works for me at my age, I sure as hell, know itll work for you. Supps are: TRT, from primordial performance (a board sponsor), mito gold, ALCAR plus, NAC, all at low doses, ya want to augment your naturally occuring gains from weight training so when your done you dont completely shrink. Its not supplements that do it its regular weight training, unless you go the endocrinologist/nutritionist route, endless cycling is counter productive in my mind. Some guys can afford to stay on, but... it costs a small fortune and ya have to stay on.
 
Its trs from primordial performance, which stands for testosterone recovery stack, not to be confused with testosterone replacement therapy.
 
And I believe the "transdermal tren" you are referring to is trenazone, but its not tenbolone, it is dienolone, a similar 19nor compound
 
alright, thanks a lot knowbull & jbryand101b... i will try to disect all this and make a grocery list. thanks again.
 
mine is the best stack that you can legally put together, the onlything that would be better would be to be able to use a 4-dhea ph product stacked with dzine, but it would be a lot more expensive.
 
jbryand101b said:
To the op, run dzine with m-lmg for 4 weeks then stanodrol and 11-sterone for another 4 weeks.

No otc pct is going to work with any cycle over 6 weeks, but a start for pct will be topical formestane, daa, reduce xt, pct assist, then all you need is some clomid
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thanks jb, assuming i can get clomid, you recommend all of the above and clomid for pct...? seems like a bit much.
 
it would cover all your basis, and allow for the fastest recovery while keeping your body in an anabolic state.

clomid weeks 1-4 50mg e/d
pct assist weeks 1-4 @ rec dosage
daa weeks 1-4 @ rec dosae
topical formestane weeks 3-6 @ 100mg e/d post shower
reduce xt weeks 3-6 @ rec dosage each day

here you have your serm, daa/pct assist for an all around test booster, then you start your formestane just as you are finishing up the serm to keep all that new test from becomming estrogen, and use the reduce xt to keep cortisol low.

a lot of people recomend running the cortisol control in week 3, which is why I put it there, but me personally, i prefer to run it at the start of pct in order to keep the catabolic hormones like cortisol low which will be high at the end of the cycle.

all of it isn't needed, you could get by with just clomid and a product like pct assist, but it makes things a lot better.
 
thanks a lot man... i'm assuming by weeks 1-4, you mean 1-4 after the cycle, right? some dude was telling me he takes clomid all the way through (right when he starts the cycle) - makes no sense to me.

also, you prefer clomid to nolva...?
 
jbryand101b said:
To the op, run dzine with m-lmg for 4 weeks then stanodrol and 11-sterone for another 4 weeks.

No otc pct is going to work with any cycle over 6 weeks, but a start for pct will be topical formestane, daa, reduce xt, pct assist, then all you need is some clomid
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jb, how would you dose these?

thanks.
 
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