Best PEDs to enhance fasting fat burn?

admlite

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M45. Hit a wall at 21-22%BF, measure daily with impendance device. All in lower belly.
Tried many things and straight water fasting is just the easiest way for me to maintain deficit on a weekly basis.
What are best PEDs to enhance fasting fat burn for 36-48 hr weekly fasts? Cost is not an issue.
I'll be running slight surplus on the other days of the week to help with energy and recovery.
Have clen and yohimbine on hand, but can not find clear info whether these can be taken together. Anything else to consider?
Don't want to mess with my thyroid (i.e. taking T3), since according to the recent bloods it is running well.
 
Someone in this thread doesn't realize it is summertime out there.
 
jrock645 said:
If you hit a wall at 21%, your diet needs work, not peptides.
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I have issues with high SHBG / low fT, which make it extra hard to loose fat. Sure I can fast, but if I am even in a minor surplus - 90% of it goes to fat. I already practice fasting every week (~36 hr or 1.5 day ) with full body workout 3x week. I try to maintain surplus for remaining 5.5 days, but I am still in a deficit on a weekly basis.
There is progress, but it is glacial. I've dropped ~2kg fat in three months that I've been following this regime.
It is much more difficult for me to recover if I follow a daily deficit. Tried it and I would just feel slow, sore, stiff and depressed.
My body was in >20% BF for 30 yrs or so and I really have to force it to find new homeostasis.
 
I feel your pain...you sound a lot like me - and a lot of others on this board. I often feel like I am cursed and gain weight way faster than people around me - even when I'm eating less. But the thing is, it's not really true. At least not to the degree that it feels like. When I was on a PSMF and eating 600-800 calories/day - I was on top of it, I had everything locked down - and I lost weight at almost 3.5 pounds per week. And if you do the math - my TDEE is probably around 2300 calories/day (sedentary desk job) - that's 16,100 calories/week. And I was eating probably 4,900 - meaning my weekly deficit was 11,200 calories.. 3.5 X 3500 = 12,250 calories - so I was actually losing faster than probably expected. Sure, some weeks may have been slower...but overall when I was strictly adhering to a diet, I was losing at a rate that would be expected as normal. In other words, even after extreme dieting I still didn't have a slowed metabolism.

A big part of this is a mental shift though - deficits suck. They aren't easy and painless. If you want to lose fat you are going to have to go through some pain. You have to get into a mental state that is ready for that. We all want to lose fat without going through the brain fog, tiredness, soreness, etc.

Another thing is exercise - if you're in a deficit of more than 500 calories/day - drop your exercise levels back!! Let the diet do the work. You should only be lifting to retain lean tissue/strength as much as possible and this actually requires very little work. You shouldn't have a lot to recover from in other words, while dieting. If you do, you need to consider reducing your workload.

As far as the hormonal stuff, I understand and that may have some impact but it isn't impossible to overcome. Supposedly boron and zinc can help reduce SHBG....but I'm not 100% sold on it. It's probably worth a shot though...
 
Youre in a surplus 5.5 days out of 7 and you seriously wonder why youre having trouble losing weight? Jesus bro...

admlite said:
I have issues with high SHBG / low fT, which make it extra hard to loose fat. Sure I can fast, but if I am even in a minor surplus - 90% of it goes to fat. I already practice fasting every week (~36 hr or 1.5 day ) with full body workout 3x week. I try to maintain surplus for remaining 5.5 days, but I am still in a deficit on a weekly basis.
There is progress, but it is glacial. I've dropped ~2kg fat in three months that I've been following this regime.
It is much more difficult for me to recover if I follow a daily deficit. Tried it and I would just feel slow, sore, stiff and depressed.
My body was in >20% BF for 30 yrs or so and I really have to force it to find new homeostasis.
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HIT4ME said:
A big part of this is a mental shift though - deficits suck. They aren't easy and painless. If you want to lose fat you are going to have to go through some pain. You have to get into a mental state that is ready for that. We all want to lose fat without going through the brain fog, tiredness, soreness, etc.
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Agreed! That's the hardest part about a deficit is the mental hunger!
 
What specifically are you eating or what "diet" are you following. Let's start there. Atkins, Keto, 30/30/30, vegan, etc.

Preference would be to confirm diet first, move to exercise plan, fine tune and maximize goals with drugs/supplements. Not saying this is you, but if someone can't follow a diet, just skip to meth for weight loss.
 
bigdadybry said:
What specifically are you eating or what "diet" are you following. Let's start there. Atkins, Keto, 30/30/30, vegan, etc.

Preference would be to confirm diet first, move to exercise plan, fine tune and maximize goals with drugs/supplements. Not saying this is you, but if someone can't follow a diet, just skip to meth for weight loss.
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he cant follow a diet. He fasts for 36 hours and then is in a surplus the rest of the time and doesnt understand why that isnt working
 
bigdadybry said:
What specifically are you eating or what "diet" are you following. Let's start there. Atkins, Keto, 30/30/30, vegan, etc.

Preference would be to confirm diet first, move to exercise plan, fine tune and maximize goals with drugs/supplements. Not saying this is you, but if someone can't follow a diet, just skip to meth for weight loss.
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Well I think pretty much meth but Excelsior made me lose almost 4 inches of fat from my belly in about three months. Relentless linglasting energy throughout the summer, biking, swimming, hiking apetite killing although apetite killing was less in the end. A few days after quitting besides fatigue also munches and probably one of those inches are back. But autumn naturally and in a cold place like Sweden body naturally wants to hang on to fat in autumn and winter and it would be too tiring being out in icecold weather in minus bking and stuff on a calorie deficit.
Saw a Frank Zane video lately and talked about waiting to eat until getting hungry and that we should never worry about losing muscle when fasting 8 hours or even some more.
Well personally I think intermittant fasting if eating a large evenin meal until next days lunch can be quite effortless unless one does not have to demanding mornings
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admlite said:
I have issues with high SHBG / low fT, which make it extra hard to loose fat. Sure I can fast, but if I am even in a minor surplus - 90% of it goes to fat. I already practice fasting every week (~36 hr or 1.5 day ) with full body workout 3x week. I try to maintain surplus for remaining 5.5 days, but I am still in a deficit on a weekly basis.
There is progress, but it is glacial. I've dropped ~2kg fat in three months that I've been following this regime.
It is much more difficult for me to recover if I follow a daily deficit. Tried it and I would just feel slow, sore, stiff and depressed.
My body was in >20% BF for 30 yrs or so and I really have to force it to find new homeostasis.
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catch 22...being fat is why your testosterone is low, it is also why it's now making it harder to lose the fat...

i wish you luck, it's going to be a tough battle!!!
 
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