Everyone else seems to be getting at least some results, if not more. I dunno whats up with you or why its not working for ya.Juiceman said:
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Just because a substance didn't work for you doesn't mean it will only achieve a placebo effect for everyone. I've been lifting hard for several years, and I tried a two-week cycle of M1T and got nothing but crappy sides from it. Nada, zilch, zip. Does that mean it's a useless substance? No, it just means I responded poorly to it for some reason. I got very good results from running M4OHN up to 20 mg ED alone over four weeks, and my wife got truly awesome results from running it up to 3 mg. After a four-week PCT, I'm now stacking 25 mg of M4OHN and 15 mg of M-Dien ED (my wife's at 3 and 1), and I'm only into the second week of a six-week cycle and several (well, four) people around the office have asked me if I'm "on" something. Personally, I'm amazed at the body comp changes I'm already seeing, as is my wife. I agree that M4OHN was overhyped to potential customers, but from the anecdotal evidence I've read it certainly appears to be a worthwhile substance for most people who are experienced lifters but have never used AAS.Juiceman said:
What "body comp changes" are you exactly seeing? I too am an experienced lifter who has never used any AAS/Prohormones. I hope I see the results you speak of lol.rnrkennedy said:
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I've never seen any objective evidence that stacking methyls is any worse than taking an equivalent amount of one methyl, only questionable hypotheses stated by various individuals on the boards. My liver values (and cholesterol) barely budged after my M4OHN-only cycle, and were perfect before I started this cycle (again, after four weeks of PCT). I plan to have blood tests run again after this new cycle and put this issue to rest once and for all, at least with respect to myself and the substances and amounts being used. (That being said, since I'm always willing to concede an issue when clearly proven wrong, I'd be interested in reading any peer-reviewed studies you might have that show a synergistic hepatoxicity effect in humans from stacking methylated prohormones.)Juiceman said:
The first cycle I went from 11% to 9% BF (using a six-site caliper test) with no loss of LBM and no change in diet or routine, and my wife lost 3% BF and gained 2 lbs. of LBM. After a week and a half on this new cycle starting at 10% BF (due to a PCT feed festdarius said:
), I've already seen a 1% loss of BF, an obvious reduction in sub-Q water retention from a visual perspective (which of course could be influencing the BF measurement), good vascularity, and my arms, chest, and legs are constantly and noticeably pumped. Plus, even though I'm generally a good-natured person, like the last cycle, my mood has become, well, awesome. (If the water retention and pump are a placebo reaction, it's somehow also affecting our calipers, my wife, and several people at the office. And all of this on top of the fact that I'm the ultimate skeptical non-responder: nothing from creatine or even M1T, except bad sides. For that reason, until now, I was convinced everything except AAS was b.s.)I did a four-week cycle starting at 8 mg ED and quickly ramping up to 20 mg. Split the doses half in the morning and half in the evening 11-12 hours later.rrgg said:
How do you know that your liver took "a pounding" from M4OHN? Did you have pre- and post-cycle blood tests performed as I did? If so, what were the results?Juiceman said:
If you have not yet read the following threads, you should.rnrkennedy said:
However, we do briefly evaluate the known results in this thread:Agreed. I'd never use M1T again even if someone paid me to do so, and as a result I forgot to consider or mention it. My bad.nsruffryder34 said:
I have, as well as several similar threads on other boards. Without exception, they contain nothing but baseless conjecture.Cogar said:
Your sarcasm is unnecessary and unwarranted. I merely asked for information out of curiousity, but your point that my request was too limited is well taken. Expanding on the topic, perhaps someone could provide a peer-reviewed study showing that time-established 17-alpha-alkylated compounds result in a synergistic hepatoxic effect?Cogar said:Of course there are not going to be peer-reviewed studies of these compounds.
Are you going to argue that a blood test performed two days after a cycle has ended will not show the effects of that cycle, or are just arguing for the sake of doing so?Cogar said:
You keep saying "we". Who is exactly is that? The clique of AM posters who attempt to argue a point without any substantial evidence whatsoever? If that's the best you can do, I'm not impressed.Cogar said:
