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I think he has a mix. I don't really like the combo of running those all at the same time. I'd rather pin test for 12-16 weeks and use dmz to kick and tbol/var to finish.
 
hurdlemaker said:
that works. Can u get enough var to run it long enough tho?
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My plan was weeks 1-4 super dmz then weeks 3-8 Tbol/var. So only six weeks. I can see if I can get enough var to do the last 4 at 100mg so it would look something like this:
Super dmz 1-4
Tbol/var 50mg each 3-4
Tbol/var 50mg/100mg week 5-8

I feel like doing 100mg var with Tbol AND Dmz is a little over kill so keeping it at 50 the first two weeks seems ideal.
 
SquatsAndOats said:
My plan was weeks 1-4 super dmz then weeks 3-8 Tbol/var. So only six weeks. I can see if I can get enough var to do the last 4 at 100mg so it would look something like this: Super dmz 1-4 Tbol/var 50mg each 3-4 Tbol/var 50mg/100mg week 5-8 I feel like doing 100mg var with Tbol AND Dmz is a little over kill so keeping it at 50 the first two weeks seems ideal.
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yeah I would keep it lower when overlapping and then raise the var at the end
 
Mystere3 said:
I think you're going to have lethargy without test.
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I agree. I ran T'bol and var together only once without a base and felt physically f**ked by the end of it. Won't run anything without a test base again, it's just so easy and so damn smooth once you're on.
 
Number 10 said:
I agree. I ran T'bol and var together only once without a base and felt physically f**ked by the end of it. Won't run anything without a test base again, it's just so easy and so damn smooth once you're on.
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Did you have just lethargy or lack of libido too. I can live with lethargy with ECY stack no problem. I also planned on using formestane if I had any libido problems.
 
hurdlemaker said:
So fueled I'm assuming the only orals you can get your hands on are prohormones?
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Not necessarily. But PH's are certainly much easier to deal with and appear to be effective for me.

Most suppliers only carry the basics orals, which are Dbol, Var and Winny. Some may have A-bombs too.
 
fueledpassion said:
Not necessarily. But PH's are certainly much easier to deal with and appear to be effective for me. Most suppliers only carry the basics orals, which are Dbol, Var and Winny. Some may have A-bombs too.
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i got ya man, well to be honest based on everything uve said I'd have to agree that Hdrol is prob ur best bet
 
SquatsAndOats said:
Did you have just lethargy or lack of libido too. I can live with lethargy with ECY stack no problem. I also planned on using formestane if I had any libido problems.
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Libido was trashed. Worse than the lethargy as I was quite enjoying training whilst on it and that kinda "placebo'd" me through.

Started dating a model about 2 weeks in, didn't feel like banging her until a week before the end of PCT. Told her it was because I thought I had chlamydia and needed a test. Not sure she bought it due to the total lack of arousal, pretty sure she thought I was gay...

Never again!!
 
Number 10 said:
Libido was trashed. Worse than the lethargy as I was quite enjoying training whilst on it and that kinda "placebo'd" me through. Started dating a model about 2 weeks in, didn't feel like banging her until a week before the end of PCT. Told her it was because I thought I had chlamydia and needed a test. Not sure she bought it due to the total lack of arousal, pretty sure she thought I was gay... Never again!!
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lmao
 
Number 10 said:
Libido was trashed. Worse than the lethargy as I was quite enjoying training whilst on it and that kinda "placebo'd" me through. Started dating a model about 2 weeks in, didn't feel like banging her until a week before the end of PCT. Told her it was because I thought I had chlamydia and needed a test. Not sure she bought it due to the total lack of arousal, pretty sure she thought I was gay... Never again!!
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**** well now I'm having second thoughts. I really want to do this super dmz, then Tbol var thing. Could I add prop just at like a trt dose? I really don't want to deal with estro sides or bloat cause I have a competition at week 8 of my cycle and I want to be cuttable to 198
 
SquatsAndOats said:
**** well now I'm having second thoughts. I really want to do this super dmz, then Tbol var thing. Could I add prop just at like a trt dose? I really don't want to deal with estro sides or bloat cause I have a competition at week 8 of my cycle and I want to be cuttable to 198
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yes low dose prop would be a good idea, it shouldn't cause any estro sides
 
Yeah Jbry is rather specific. This is why I said it is "easier" for me to get. Technically, one way or another they are illegal. Either to sell or to possess/use.
 
Yeah Jbry is rather specific. This is why I said it is "easier" for me to get. Technically, one way or another they are illegal. Either to sell or to possess/use.
 
Yeah I get that, but why be technical to the point of being petty? How can test be a prohormone but Hdrol is not? I'm not understanding that logic. You understood exactly what I meant by using the term prohormone.
 
hurdlemaker said:
Yeah I get that, but why be technical to the point of being petty? How can test be a prohormone but Hdrol is not? I'm not understanding that logic. You understood exactly what I meant by using the term prohormone.
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I was pointing out how I don't like to call full blown steroids prohormones.

There is a difference between hdrol, m14ad, m1a, dzine, msten, epi, dienolone, pmag, m-clostebol, an other active steroids than trenadione, (insert isomer) dhea
 
jbryand101b said:
I was pointing out how I don't like to call full blown steroids prohormones. There is a difference between hdrol, m14ad, m1a, dzine, msten, epi, dienolone, pmag, m-clostebol, an other active steroids than trenadione, (insert isomer) dhea
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well I can understand that, but for the sake of conversation I don't mind calling basically anything that's been sold over the counter hormone wise in the last 8 years or so a prohormone, just because people always understand that terminology. But I do agree that most of these compounds are "full blown steroids", which I like that term haha
 
hurdlemaker said:
well I can understand that, but for the sake of conversation I don't mind calling basically anything that's been sold over the counter hormone wise in the last 8 years or so a prohormone, just because people always understand that terminology. But I do agree that most of these compounds are "full blown steroids", which I like that term haha
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Yes the point here is image recalibration. PH users and sellers try and soften the name of it because steroids have a bad name (thanks to the media and uninformed propagandists).

Fact is, PH's are steroids. Some of which are even more potent than original AAS.
 
Testosterone, winstrol, and maybe anavar..if you have the money

Tbol might be ok, but I rarely see it around anymore from the best suppliers.
 
technique88 said:
Definitely not an easy find
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Yup. Most of all the anavar is faked as winstrol, a lot of times people can't tell the difference, because they never truly tried real anavar to know the difference.

Private domestic sources by word of mouth are the ones that have legit var. Meaning, dont even waste your money on board sponsers or public sources..
 
IMO the best place to get legit oral gear is Mexico. You can buy it straight from pharmacies. Getting it back into the US is a bit more tricky, but not that bad.
 
Superman_777 said:
Yup. Most of all the anavar is faked as winstrol, a lot of times people can't tell the difference, because they never truly tried real anavar to know the difference. Private domestic sources by word of mouth are the ones that have legit var. Meaning, dont even waste your money on board sponsers or public sources..
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For the most part I definitely agree. I know a few privates, but I just don't want to spend the money.
 
technique88 said:
For the most part I definitely agree. I know a few privates, but I just don't want to spend the money.
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Yeah, its still expensive either way. Var is overated depending on your use for it. If your looking for a drug with the fewest side effects with strength gains and vascular look, then by all mean its the one you want. Precontest, your wasting a lot more money and you will get better results with halo and winstrol for a lot cheaper. Some people cant handle the side effects these pre contest drugs have though.
 
IMO var, winny, and tbol are all better as performance enhancing drugs than for bodybuilding, although winny is good as a finisher.
 
Mystere3 said:
IMO the best place to get legit oral gear is Mexico. You can buy it straight from pharmacies. Getting it back into the US is a bit more tricky, but not that bad.
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a guy at my gym who played college ball said they all popped Dbol from Mexican pharmacies. Someone got it mass spec'd and it came back like 60% sheet rock.
 
Superman_777 said:
Yup. Most of all the anavar is faked as winstrol, a lot of times people can't tell the difference, because they never truly tried real anavar to know the difference. Private domestic sources by word of mouth are the ones that have legit var. Meaning, dont even waste your money on board sponsers or public sources..
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With the new labmax test kits out people are testing var and surprisingly some "bad" or "very public" sources came back legit while the private guys got winny. Doesn't tell dosages though just what the compound is.
 
Mystere3 said:
IMO var, winny, and tbol are all better as performance enhancing drugs than for bodybuilding, although winny is good as a finisher.
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I just got my hands on 100, 25 mg capsules if winny for free. I'm definitely running it this time around which will actually be my first time. Extremely excited...
 
technique88 said:
I just got my hands on 100, 25 mg capsules if winny for free. I'm definitely running it this time around which will actually be my first time. Extremely excited...
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how long you gonna run it for? Winnys really toxic to the liver no? I don't know how it compares to superdrol though in terms of toxicity
 
Haha I care about my insides, looking good for a long time is my goal, not looking good by sacrifice of my life expectancy
 
SquatsAndOats said:
I mean...I'd like to think I care...haha
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I care more about the cholestetol effects. This is the side effect that stays with u if not dealt with properly.

Liver care matters and there is undoubtedly a connection between liver stress and crap cholesterol levels so it should be of some concern. However, I suspect the typical numb nuts that drink heavy EOD and wake up taking 3-4 Ibuprofen or Tylenol for hangovers are exacting more damage to their overall health than a steroid user who typically regularly includes supporting supplements, healthy exercise and blood tests to conclude his/her cycles.
 
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