Best non-methyl bulking PH

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This will be my third cycle. Ive been away from the PH market for a little while and was looking to run a cycle. What is the best pH out that is non methyl and won't shut me down to hard. I was looking at andro1&4 stack. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
 
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This will be my third cycle. Ive been away from the PH market for a little while and was looking to run a cycle. What is the best pH out that is non methyl and won't shut me down to hard. I was looking at andro1&4 stack. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
A 1/4 andro stack (may want to add epiandro to that as well) would be fairly mild in terms of sides but it’ll still shut you down (I think anything that you run for enough time/at right dose to get gains will shut you down though). I’m running this stack as my first cycle and I’ve gained about 8lbs of lean mass in 6 weeks. Strength is up but nothing crazy.

In my mind a decent step up from that which is non methyl would be a nano 1t and androtest stack.......
 
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I’d go for trenavar
 

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Im curious about this as well, this would be my 4th PH so i wouldnt mind doing a cycle thats meltylated. If soneone can help me out, im only looking for things that are readily available online.

I was looking at pitoharma Red Nose but it looks like its all sold out. Sorry for taking this thread over but didnt want to start a thread very similar to this one.

Thankyou in advance
 
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Im curious about this as well, this would be my 4th PH so i wouldnt mind doing a cycle thats meltylated. If soneone can help me out, im only looking for things that are readily available online.

I was looking at pitoharma Red Nose but it looks like its all sold out. Sorry for taking this thread over but didnt want to start a thread very similar to this one.

Thankyou in advance
If your ok with methyls then everything is on the table. I’m just finishing up my first cycle (1/4/epiandro) and been looking around to decide on my next.

In terms of ph’s from what I’ve seen (and can buy at predator) I’m going with nanodrol, androtest or havoc (epi), dermatrest......
 

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Finding the balance between side effects you are willing to accept and goals you want to make isn't easy. I'm in the same process. 1-DHEA seems to be the standard, but you'll still get suppression or shutdown. Maybe 19norDHEA or 1,4-DHEA would be lesser on the sides, but probably also much lesser on results as well.
 
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Pinning test isn’t considered methylated ;]
 
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I'm more worried about my kidneys than I am getting shut down. What seems to be a popular choice for 1dhea?
 
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So I was looking at getting some epi. What's a good supp to combat loss of libido?
 
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Test... If you don't want to go that route trest or 4 andro. You want something that can convert to estrogen imo because epi is really dry. Just make sure you have all ancillaries before starting.
Thanks dude I think I'll go with 4andro

Was thinking about epi 20/30/30/30/30/30
4andro at 300 throughout
I have nolva and clomid on hand too
 
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Thanks dude I think I'll go with 4andro

Was thinking about epi 20/30/30/30/30/30
4andro at 300 throughout
I have nolva and clomid on hand too
I’d run the epistane 30-50mg personally. Maybe keep an aromatize inhibitor on hand as well.
 
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I’d run the epistane 30-50mg personally. Maybe keep an aromatize inhibitor on hand as well.
Quick query for your AG, you ever run androtest (4-ad) instead of 4-andro as a test base?
 
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Thanks dude I think I'll go with 4andro

Was thinking about epi 20/30/30/30/30/30
4andro at 300 throughout
I have nolva and clomid on hand too
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Quick query for your AG, you ever run androtest (4-ad) instead of 4-andro as a test base?
Only compounds I have experience with are epistane, msten, low dose test cyp and currently low dose test enan. I remember hearing some mixed reviews on the androtest from fusion, but I cant give my own input since I haven’t tried it myself.
 
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Only compounds I have experience with are epistane, msten, low dose test cyp and currently low dose test enan. I remember hearing some mixed reviews on the androtest from fusion, but I cant give my own input since I haven’t tried it myself.
Ah ok, no worries. I’ve always assumed 4-ad to be superior to 4-andro purely on the basis of 1 step conversion over 2 step.....but wasn’t basing it on anything more educated than that really
 
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I noticed a little result running 4 andro at 300mg., but I really think it started an entirely different game at 400mg. Not only seeing much better results in the gym, but doing nothing but chasing the old lady around the house outside of the gym.... I am currently testing at 500mg + right now but so far can't say it is worth the money at that point.
 
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This will be my third cycle. Ive been away from the PH market for a little while and was looking to run a cycle. What is the best pH out that is non methyl and won't shut me down to hard. I was looking at andro1&4 stack. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
1 andro can be great.
500 mg for me was really amazing.
First cycle always is I guess.
1 andro 500mg
4andro 500mg
Epiandroo 1000mg
Very good but popping pills all day.
 
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So that would be non methylated but still liver toxic?
He said non methyl not non liver toxic, trenavar is a bit but hey So is aspirin and vitamins and many other things we take on a day to day basis without many of us realising. My point of view is of your willing to risk messing with your hormones then why not put your liver at a small risk too? After all it’s the most resilient organ of our body and it regenerates. I don’t rate Today’s Andros at all. If it’s worth doing then at least see some good progress after the cycle, not the typical yeah I put on 5lbs of lean mass in an 8 week cycle
 
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He said non methyl not non liver toxic, trenavar is a bit but hey So is aspirin and vitamins and many other things we take on a day to day basis without many of us realising. My point of view is of your willing to risk messing with your hormones then why not put your liver at a small risk too? After all it’s the most resilient organ of our body and it regenerates. I don’t rate Today’s Andros at all. If it’s worth doing then at least see some good progress after the cycle, not the typical yeah I put on 5lbs of lean mass in an 8 week cycle
Agree
 

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Trenavar 50-75 mgs a day 8 weeks, stacked with 4 dhea at 300 mgs 8 weeks.
 

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