best gear for libido? (Not test/trest) / mk677 question

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I want to do a pin cycle of gear, (no orals, I'll explain why in a second), and am wondering what compound is the best for not affecting libido? In your experience. Or better yet, positively affects libido? My last cycle of superdrol I ended up stopping at 3 weeks, for a few reasons. Basically because I never wanted sex. My ole lady was freaking out. Thinking it was her. It's not worth it. And that was only 10mg of drol. Back in the day I ran 30mg. But I'm not getting any younger. Lol.

I use to cruise on Trest. Was amazing. Now I cruise on test. Trest now, it's so fragging expensive, and I was looking for other advice y'all might have on a different compound to help my problem. I am on TRT, 500mg a week. Test E.

So basically... I'm looking for advice on the best gear I can get that won't slaughter my libido.( Not test or trest ).

I don't want an oral, because I'm prescribed meds that essentially stopped working while I was on superdrol. Long story. But the over working of my liver made my prescribed meds not "do its thing". Which is very bad. So I'm trying to stay away from gear taken orally. To long a story to explain lol. A non methyl oral would be worth trying, but would much rather pin something.

Mk677 GH/SARM Questions:
I'm about to start mk677 at 25mg a day. Does this compound affect anyone's libido? Anyone have great results, or zero results? I plan to cruise on it. Given my liver situation, would it be better to get it in transdermal form?

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Backstory:
38 year old male. 200 lbs. 15% BF. Lifting 10 years. Have done 12 cycles. Like epi, superdrol, etc.. I'm on TRT - 500 to 750mg a week. Test E. Generally never need an AI. But have one on hand. Never had prolactin problems. Little gyno flare up about ten years ago. I keep a close eye on it.
Currently on:
Test E - 750mg week
Cialis
Ashwandga (cortisol control)
Fish oil
Aspirin
N.O. product (almost out, won't be using again)
Vit C 1,000mg
 
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Well first off... 500mg a week of test is not TRT. That’s a cycle/blast. If you are having libido problems, I would get bloodwork to check estrogen, prolactin, etc.... you may in fact need an AI even if you don’t think you do. And make sure bloods are in order before just throwing in another compound.
 

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It must be a typo but 500-750 Test a week?! I’m surprised if you don’t need a Ai on that dose, and no, that’s dose is not TRT. But if you’re set on that dose Masteron would be a good option, it would help with libido and E.
 
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This seems like a joke to me but I think you should adjust or add in an ai. Try cialis, proviron, or epi(stane or steron).
 
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Well first off... 500mg a week of test is not TRT. That’s a cycle/blast. If you are having libido problems, I would get bloodwork to check estrogen, prolactin, etc.... you may in fact need an AI even if you don’t think you do. And make sure bloods are in order before just throwing in another compound.
I don't have libido problems. If anything I wish I could tone it down lol. What I was saying was on superdrol my libido suffered. As it always would. So I was looking for a steroid that you pin, that isn't real harsh on a libido. Thanks
 
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You shouldn't have libido problems on any injectables if it is stacked with 500 mg of test.
Ok cool. I've ran 12+ cycles in the past 10 years. But every time it's been oral methyl cycle. (Epi, superdrol, etc..) so this will be my first inject cycle. It won't be for a while. Right now I'm about to start with mk677. Possibly permanently. But the next cycle I run with an inject steroid is the question.. Not sure which one to pick. Thoughts, ideas?
 
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It must be a typo but 500-750 Test a week?! I’m surprised if you don’t need a Ai on that dose, and no, that’s dose is not TRT. But if you’re set on that dose Masteron would be a good option, it would help with libido and E.
Ok cool thank you
 
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This seems like a joke to me but I think you should adjust or add in an ai. Try cialis, proviron, or epi(stane or steron).
Yeah I think everyone is not understanding... I have zero libido problems lol. Like I'm wanting to **** 3 times a day. The problem is being on superdrol took that away. So I'm looking for a injectable that doesn't **** up my libido
 
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I can put a client on Cialis and electrolytes for 30 days and they are fully back to normal.

So many variables, I don't think anyone can answer your question on the surface.
 
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It's self prescribed. Oh I see what the problem is.. I didn't clarify I'm self medicating lmao. TRT baby! Wooooo
No I self prescribed trt as well, but at 150mg per week which puts me in the high normal range (900's), everyone is busting your balls because 100-200mg a week is trt, 500mg is a full blown cycle, your test levels should be over 3000 on 500mg
 

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No I self prescribed trt as well, but at 150mg per week which puts me in the high normal range (900's), everyone is busting your balls because 100-200mg a week is trt, 500mg is a full blown cycle, your test levels should be over 3000 on 500mg
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try melanotan that **** for some reason just gives you random mega hard ons throughout the day.....
 
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I can put a client on Cialis and electrolytes for 30 days and they are fully back to normal.

So many variables, I don't think anyone can answer your question on the surface.
I'm sorry I don't think I explained it well.. I don't have libido problems. I take cialis daily. While on my last cycle my libido sucked. I was wondering which steroid was best for not affecting libido.
 
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I'm sorry I don't think I explained it well.. I don't have libido problems. I take cialis daily. While on my last cycle my libido sucked. I was wondering which steroid was best for not affecting libido.
There's not a solid answer because everything effects everyone different. Sd increases my libido, but it decreased yours.

In general, eq should not really effect anything, deca and tren tend to make libido worse or non existent but some ppl say it does the opposite.
Masteron, proviron, winny tend to positively impact libido.

But nothing is the same for everyone. You won't know till you try something for yourself.
 
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There's not a solid answer because everything effects everyone different. Sd increases my libido, but it decreased yours.

In general, eq should not really effect anything, deca and tren tend to make libido worse or non existent but some ppl say it does the opposite.
Masteron, proviron, winny tend to positively impact libido.

But nothing is the same for everyone. You won't know till you try something for yourself.
Thank you. Very good answer
 

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@Whisky are we going to jump in? 😆

I am one of those rare people who lose libido when they go on aas, i tried all kinds of test doses from 80mg a week to 600mg. No libido. Mast, tren , proviron, nothing.

Only thing that helps and what i would recommend anyway due to downregulation of these pathways when hpta gets shut down is hcg. When i am able to get pharma grade hcg anf i pin 1000 iu + a week i get great libido. Otherwise nothing.


As far as mk677 goes i love it, but i am 23 and i feel it pushes my igf at least to where it was when i was 16 accoridng to pumps i get. The older ypu get the less pronounced the effect may be. But its amazing i love it. It does lower my libido but like i said everything does.
 
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@Whisky are we going to jump in? 😆

I am one of those rare people who lose libido when they go on aas, i tried all kinds of test doses from 80mg a week to 600mg. No libido. Mast, tren , proviron, nothing.

Only thing that helps and what i would recommend anyway due to downregulation of these pathways when hpta gets shut down is hcg. When i am able to get pharma grade hcg anf i pin 1000 iu + a week i get great libido. Otherwise nothing.


As far as mk677 goes i love it, but i am 23 and i feel it pushes my igf at least to where it was when i was 16 accoridng to pumps i get. The older ypu get the less pronounced the effect may be. But its amazing i love it. It does lower my libido but like i said everything does.
dang man, you are freaking 23 years old. i think you need to get a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle-put pros on one side and cons on the other and re-evaluate rather continuing to use aas is worth it for you.

sorry, the dad in me just came out!!!
 
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@Whisky are we going to jump in? 😆

I am one of those rare people who lose libido when they go on aas, i tried all kinds of test doses from 80mg a week to 600mg. No libido. Mast, tren , proviron, nothing.

Only thing that helps and what i would recommend anyway due to downregulation of these pathways when hpta gets shut down is hcg. When i am able to get pharma grade hcg anf i pin 1000 iu + a week i get great libido. Otherwise nothing.


As far as mk677 goes i love it, but i am 23 and i feel it pushes my igf at least to where it was when i was 16 accoridng to pumps i get. The older ypu get the less pronounced the effect may be. But its amazing i love it. It does lower my libido but like i said everything does.
Thanks bro! Yeah everyone is diff for sure 👍
 
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There's not a solid answer because everything effects everyone different. Sd increases my libido, but it decreased yours.

In general, eq should not really effect anything, deca and tren tend to make libido worse or non existent but some ppl say it does the opposite.
Masteron, proviron, winny tend to positively impact libido.

But nothing is the same for everyone. You won't know till you try something for yourself.
OP - this is the answer

but from a health standpoint you need to reevaluate your ‘trt’ dosing, your basically just year round blasting. How regular do you do bloods? Just imo you’ll be setting yourself up for significant health problems maintaining that in the long term.

nothing has ever really decreased my baseline libido. Like I’ll always **** quite happily, certain things (like tren) make me want to do the kinky stuff more I guess but then again there’s rarely a time when being tied up with burning candle wax dropped onto the nipples doesnt appeal so 🤷
 
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OP - this is the answer

but from a health standpoint you need to reevaluate your ‘trt’ dosing, your basically just year round blasting. How regular do you do bloods? Just imo you’ll be setting yourself up for significant health problems maintaining that in the long term.

nothing has ever really decreased my baseline libido. Like I’ll always **** quite happily, certain things (like tren) make me want to do the kinky stuff more I guess but then again there’s rarely a time when being tied up with burning candle wax dropped onto the nipples doesnt appeal so 🤷
Lol I hear ya. All good I'm just gonna stay away from harsh orals from this point on. Since I got off superdrol I've been horny like fire biscuits bruh. TMI. But still..

I've been thinking about what everyone is saying, and I believe the higher dose of test is not gonna make any significant difference. If I pin 300mg a week, versus 750mg. Maybe a blast here n there. But yall'r all right.

So if I cruise on 300mg test, is that more optimal health wise? I've gotten blood work and it was gravy rocks. (Good). But it's time to do it again. My test is shot from prior cycles, and the fact it was always really low. When I was 27 my test was like 187. The doc said it was low normal and not to worry. F that. I'm 38 now. 6 years ago I started cruising. Usually at 200mg, sometimes 500 for a blast. But I'm about to get into a business requiring appearance to be optimal and maxed. So I thought maybe raising it would increase my gains. I'm wrong I'm sure. And my health is most important anyway. Thanks guys..

So 300mg a week test E, you think I'll be ok on that? I'm still getting bloods, just curious the opinion.
 
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try melanotan that **** for some reason just gives you random mega hard ons throughout the day.....
That's what I hear lol. But like I was saying, my libido and booner are spot on good lol. I take cialis everyday. And cruise on test E. I was just looking for a cycle I could do that wouldn't be so harsh on libido. But I got some good answers here. Thanks everyone. 👍
 
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Lol I hear ya. All good I'm just gonna stay away from harsh orals from this point on. Since I got off superdrol I've been horny like fire biscuits bruh. TMI. But still..

I've been thinking about what everyone is saying, and I believe the higher dose of test is not gonna make any significant difference. If I pin 300mg a week, versus 750mg. Maybe a blast here n there. But yall'r all right.

So if I cruise on 300mg test, is that more optimal health wise? I've gotten blood work and it was gravy rocks. (Good). But it's time to do it again. My test is shot from prior cycles, and the fact it was always really low. When I was 27 my test was like 187. The doc said it was low normal and not to worry. F that. I'm 38 now. 6 years ago I started cruising. Usually at 200mg, sometimes 500 for a blast. But I'm about to get into a business requiring appearance to be optimal and maxed. So I thought maybe raising it would increase my gains. I'm wrong I'm sure. And my health is most important anyway. Thanks guys..

So 300mg a week test E, you think I'll be ok on that? I'm still getting bloods, just curious the opinion.
whilst bloodwork is crucial (as what you can ‘get away with’ is somewhat individual) a true trt dose is under 200mg a week (it’s whatever dose puts your test levels within range - the vast vast majority that’s under 200mg a week).

the further above that the more stress your subjecting your body to, which over a long time will add up,

the mass monsters will cruise at much higher doses maybe but they are making a living from being massive and thus sacrificing some health/longevity is worth it to them.

you gotta give the body a break sometimes bro.
 
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whilst bloodwork is crucial (as what you can ‘get away with’ is somewhat individual) a true trt dose is under 200mg a week (it’s whatever dose puts your test levels within range - the vast vast majority that’s under 200mg a week).

the further above that the more stress your subjecting your body to, which over a long time will add up,

the mass monsters will cruise at much higher doses maybe but they are making a living from being massive and thus sacrificing some health/longevity is worth it to them.

you gotta give the body a break sometimes bro.
Copy that thank you.
 
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I will say this, most ppl don't have a difference in how they feel in 150-200mg then they do on 400-500mg

So unless your like a lean mean 240lbs of muscle looking to hold on to your muscle off of your big cycles, using that much gear year round is kinda a waste of money and added risks with little benifits.
 
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I will say this, most ppl don't have a difference in how they feel in 150-200mg then they do on 400-500mg

So unless your like a lean mean 240lbs of muscle looking to hold on to your muscle off of your big cycles, using that much gear year round is kinda a waste of money and added risks with little benifits.
Yeah I understand. Thanks. So where do you guys get your blood work at? When I do it in a place online it cost me almost $90. Is there a place that could do it cheaper? Thank you.
 
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Yeah I understand. Thanks. So where do you guys get your blood work at? When I do it in a place online it cost me almost $90. Is there a place that could do it cheaper? Thank you.
That's pretty cheap for doing your Bloods privately
 
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That's pretty cheap for doing your Bloods privately
Where do you go? I would like my insurance to pay for it but I don't really want to tell my doctor what I'm doing lol. I think you'll probably flip out. The blood work that I get done for the $90 doesn't really cover everything. So I would like to find a new way to do it even if it's more expensive. So maybe you guys can give me your ideas or tell me where you go to get it done. Thank you
 
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Last time I did it was about 150
Where did you go and what is the test called? I usually just get the testosterone one well it's called a male something something. It includes estrogen and a few other things but it doesn't include things like cholesterol and all that.
 
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Where did you go and what is the test called? I usually just get the testosterone one well it's called a male something something. It includes estrogen and a few other things but it doesn't include things like cholesterol and all that.
Female hormone panel is cheaper and has more important info then the male if your using those, no clue why tho.

Depends on what you want done. The more you want the more you pay, but if you want just the basics get female hormone panel
 
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Female hormone panel is cheaper and has more important info then the male if your using those, no clue why tho.

Depends on what you want done. The more you want the more you pay, but if you want just the basics get female hormone panel
Okay cool thank you
 
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Female hormone panel is cheaper and has more important info then the male if your using those, no clue why tho.

Depends on what you want done. The more you want the more you pay, but if you want just the basics get female hormone panel
What am I actually looking for here? I'm not very good at all this. Like do I want to see what my total testosterone is and all that? What about my lipids and cholesterol and hemoglobin?
 
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Okay cool thank you
What am I actually looking for here? I'm not very good at all this. Like do I want to see what my total testosterone is and all that? What about my lipids and cholesterol and hemoglobin?
I would have to go check the site myself, and I have all my old bloodworm packed up in my attic I can go look for. it's been a while since I had bloods done, over 6 months, shame on me lol. Il get back to you.
 
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I would have to go check the site myself, and I have all my old bloodworm packed up in my attic I can go look for. it's been a while since I had bloods done, over 6 months, shame on me lol. Il get back to you.
LOL thanks bro
 

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Now i see i mentioned you @Punkrocker in the wrong thread.

Anyway wanted to suggest dhea or pregnenolone for libido issues.


Here are my thoughts on this issue as it seems we are very similar in that regard.

I am still trying to understand why aromasin increases libido so dramatically when i am off? I understand that it increases androgen:estrogen ratio and upregulates hpta thus increasing fsh and lh.

But its completely different when i take it with exogenous test, no effect on libido. Only sore joints if i overdo.



As if exogenous and endogenous testosterone feel different, which cant be as its the same molecule. Which leads me to believe testosterone isnt directly correlated with libido, there are imho other compounds that play a role here, perhaps some neurosteroids, or downstream metabolites of lh and/or fsh.


Because the main difference between injecting exogenous testosterone and boosting endogenous one is in my experience libido.
While boosting endogenous t mainly increases libido while also giving some benefits in the fullness and well-being department, injecting exogeneous T feels completely different to me. Strength, gains, fullness, well-being and confidence but completely wrecks libido, anorgasmia and almost anhedonia. I feel more robotic, cold, emotionless and on top of that less pleasure in all the small things like eating and of course no libido and inability to orgasm (or its very weak and meh).
Its even more pronounced with stronger androgens like masteron and tren.

Maybe @Jinsun has sth interesting to say about thus, i know you do man. Especially regarding androgens causing anhedonia.
 
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Now i see i mentioned you @Punkrocker in the wrong thread.

Anyway wanted to suggest dhea or pregnenolone for libido issues.


Here are my thoughts on this issue as it seems we are very similar in that regard.

I am still trying to understand why aromasin increases libido so dramatically when i am off? I understand that it increases androgen:estrogen ratio and upregulates hpta thus increasing fsh and lh.

But its completely different when i take it with exogenous test, no effect on libido. Only sore joints if i overdo.



As if exogenous and endogenous testosterone feel different, which cant be as its the same molecule. Which leads me to believe testosterone isnt directly correlated with libido, there are imho other compounds that play a role here, perhaps some neurosteroids, or downstream metabolites of lh and/or fsh.


Because the main difference between injecting exogenous testosterone and boosting endogenous one is in my experience libido.
While boosting endogenous t mainly increases libido while also giving some benefits in the fullness and well-being department, injecting exogeneous T feels completely different to me. Strength, gains, fullness, well-being and confidence but completely wrecks libido, anorgasmia and almost anhedonia. I feel more robotic, cold, emotionless and on top of that less pleasure in all the small things like eating and of course no libido and inability to orgasm (or its very weak and meh).
Its even more pronounced with stronger androgens like masteron and tren.

Maybe @Jinsun has sth interesting to say about thus, i know you do man. Especially regarding androgens causing anhedonia.
Wow that is all very interesting. I hadn't seen anybody say that pinning test DIDNT increase libido and erections, erection quality, etc.. it's kinda generally well known that being on TRT will make you more youthful, in regards to all things sexual. When I first had libido issues my regular GP had my testosterone tested. 15 years ago. At the time I had an opiate addiction, which lowered test and raised estrogen.

Anyway.. I'm sure most would agree, perhaps, that plugging ole test'y should normally help libido and orgasm, not have a negative effect. I'm sorry your dealing with that issue. I'd be in a similar boat 'Without' pinning test. But once again.. everybody body is different. I know you do need estrogen to have libido. A lot of guys kill their estrogen with an AI when they don't even need to take one. I have Aromasin on hand, and take some when I can tell my estrogen is becoming an issue. (Water gain, bloat, emotions like a bitch, puffy and/or leaky nips, etc..) I had gained some gyno in the past on my right nip, but reduced it dramatically over time with letro. Boy did that stuff KILL my libido. Just out of experience, I'd say maybe stop, or dramatically lower your A.I. dose and see if that helps. But you prolly already tried that. I'm sure you get bloodwork and such, and know if your prolactin levels are too high also. Prami would help there, and even boost your libido, so I'm told. But hey I'm no doctor. I just played one on pornhub...
 
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Now i see i mentioned you @Punkrocker in the wrong thread.

Anyway wanted to suggest dhea or pregnenolone for libido issues.


Here are my thoughts on this issue as it seems we are very similar in that regard.

I am still trying to understand why aromasin increases libido so dramatically when i am off? I understand that it increases androgen:estrogen ratio and upregulates hpta thus increasing fsh and lh.

But its completely different when i take it with exogenous test, no effect on libido. Only sore joints if i overdo.



As if exogenous and endogenous testosterone feel different, which cant be as its the same molecule. Which leads me to believe testosterone isnt directly correlated with libido, there are imho other compounds that play a role here, perhaps some neurosteroids, or downstream metabolites of lh and/or fsh.


Because the main difference between injecting exogenous testosterone and boosting endogenous one is in my experience libido.
While boosting endogenous t mainly increases libido while also giving some benefits in the fullness and well-being department, injecting exogeneous T feels completely different to me. Strength, gains, fullness, well-being and confidence but completely wrecks libido, anorgasmia and almost anhedonia. I feel more robotic, cold, emotionless and on top of that less pleasure in all the small things like eating and of course no libido and inability to orgasm (or its very weak and meh).
Its even more pronounced with stronger androgens like masteron and tren.

Maybe @Jinsun has sth interesting to say about thus, i know you do man. Especially regarding androgens causing anhedonia.
Well, yeah, going on exogenous hormones makes a mess of your whole endocrine system. This really does mean that everything gets affected. So it's no wonder something will be off.

In regards to libido, dopamine and progesterone are key. Both of which will get down regulated on aas. This is why taking caber and hcg solves problems for most on cycle (if all other things are in order). DHT is also important, we all know that off course ... Prolactin and serotonin also get affected when cycling. I mean, it's all big mess when it comes to aas. I mean, even your gut gets effected, how often you chit (MMC), your gut biome also gets effected ...
 
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Well, yeah, going on exogenous hormones makes a mess of your whole endocrine system. This really does mean that everything gets affected. So it's no wonder something will be off.

In regards to libido, dopamine and progesterone are key. Both of which will get down regulated on aas. This is why taking caber and hcg solves problems for most on cycle (if all other things are in order). DHT is also important, we all know that off course ... Prolactin and serotonin also get affected when cycling. I mean, it's all big mess when it comes to aas. I mean, even your gut gets effected, how often you chit (MMC), your gut biome also gets effected ...
Very true. You mentioned caber, which is in line with me mentioning prami. I have yet to try either, but should take an honest look at running one for my next cycle, and see if I have any libido drops then. Thanks
 

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Very true. You mentioned caber, which is in line with me mentioning prami. I have yet to try either, but should take an honest look at running one for my next cycle, and see if I have any libido drops then. Thanks
I used caber when i had minor gyno from mk677 and it didnt do anything for libido but stopped gyno at least. I am not sure that it will help if you dont have elevated prolactin.

@Jinsun is on the right track its prolly about progesterone and dopamine. BUT it is probably more abput progestwrone and or sth else, because as i said caber and p5p dont do anything.


I am generally person who has pretty much no libido whatsoever but for some reason aromasin by itself sends it crazy high, also high dose hcg. But, it needs to be good hcg, not this black market garbage. But exogenous aas including testosterone completely remove it.

The only thing from now on that i can try is to simply experiment and maybe i discover mechanisms in place. DHEA is next on the list.



Ahh bring back my 16 yo body and everything will be fine once again...
 
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I used caber when i had minor gyno from mk677 and it didnt do anything for libido but stopped gyno at least. I am not sure that it will help if you dont have elevated prolactin.

@Jinsun is on the right track its prolly about progesterone and dopamine. BUT it is probably more abput progestwrone and or sth else, because as i said caber and p5p dont do anything.


I am generally person who has pretty much no libido whatsoever but for some reason aromasin by itself sends it crazy high, also high dose hcg. But, it needs to be good hcg, not this black market garbage. But exogenous aas including testosterone completely remove it.

The only thing from now on that i can try is to simply experiment and maybe i discover mechanisms in place.



Ahh bring back my 16 yo body and everything will be fine once again...
Idk man, caber makes me really horny ...
 
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Very true. You mentioned caber, which is in line with me mentioning prami. I have yet to try either, but should take an honest look at running one for my next cycle, and see if I have any libido drops then. Thanks
Caber and prami are not things you want to use unless you have no choice but to use them. They come with a whole mess of potential problems
 
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Caber and prami are not things you want to use unless you have no choice but to use them. They come with a whole mess of potential problems
I second that. Not that I experienced much sides (except for low blood pressure) on caber. For libido purposes you could try L-DOPA first. I however dont mind caber at all ...
 
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I second that. Not that I experienced much sides (except for low blood pressure) on caber. For libido purposes you could try L-DOPA first. I however dont mind caber at all ...
How much do you know about long term caber use, I don't mean all at once but I've been told by a few ppl and seen a few articles about caber having a life long accumulated effect. You ever hear anything about that?
 

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