Best dumb decission?

Shadowunder

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So a test Base is needed for orals.

If i plan to do tbol would a 8 Week cycle Shut down completely? Planning on doing 4 andro as a test base for that time,or will with them combined the supression be way more than tbol only.

Also read that trestolone (transdermal netter) works best as test Base. How does ist so that,will it keep libido and Well beeing in Check?

People say the only possible oral only cycle ist dbol,because it converts enough to estrogen to work as a "Test Base" but dbol supress way more then tbol does .

So what ist the "best" but still dumb decission to Take, tbol only, tbol+4 andro ,tbol+trest or dbol only?

Pct will be clomid,trest is the best base but comes with the harshest shutdown,but i read it bounces back very fast.so with proper pct trest as a base and tbol Sounds the best option,right?


Thanks


Thanks an this are just theoretical question .
 
the thing i think i would ask first is what is your cycle history like? if this would be one of your first cycles, i think less is more, dont fall into the test base trap.

stacks of drugs are better left to those athletes who are at an advanced level.
 
Did 3 LGD cycles in the Last 2 years. So not really experience with aas, oral only was my plan but all say Test Base and i Unserstand it but pinning ist horrible for me , a phobia almost. So i tought about 4 Andro as a Test Base or trest.
 
4-andro wont be as potent as trest but won’t shut you down like trest does either. Really going to be trial and error as to what works best for you. If you go with 4-andro you definitely want 330mg a day (andro the giant would be my recommendation). If you went with trest then make sure you have a strong AI on hand as it is very wet.

https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/andro-the-giant-by-hard-rock-supplements
 
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Everything I've heard about trest tells me its not for beginners, even those on trt can have a long hard recovery from it, never ran it personally but never would just based on others experience when theres actual test for a base or other aas for bulking etc
 
Thank **** the two guys above me raised that trest is one of the most supressive compounds you can run.

OP - comparing 4-andro and trest is like comparing a handjob from your wife to a night in a motel with a crack whore who’s speciality is pissing on your face while sucking you off. They both have the same basic result but one is way more fun but comes with a whole extra set of issues.....

trest is very hard to recover from. Don’t use it unless you ok with trt imo - not saying you can’t recover from it, just that it takes a long time and is rough AF. However, strength, gains and feeling like a demi god are some of the benefits of trest - it’s a wonderful compound used at the right time.

do you ‘need’ a test base? Well no, but you also don’t need to be rimmed whilst getting a wank, it just makes it better though.

fundamentally you need to look at what the test base is there to do. Estrogen (as you identify) is one aspect, you need that to grow, for libido etc, as you say dbol can provide that, you can just dose estrogen itself if you want.

test also provides the feel good libido aspect, looks of DHT’s can also deliver this, something like an epiandro for example.

but why overcomplicate things when you don’t need to, test itself is best, that isn’t an option for you do something that converts like 4-ad or 4-andro will do the job.

I agree with ripper that more isn’t always better and you do want to keep it simple but tbol will suppress you over the duration you need to run it.

just to note. Tbol is a nice steroid (I probably sing it’s praises more than most) but it’s not going to produce anything dramatic, especially not as the main player in the stack. Gains will be moderate (but dry) although performance and solid strength should improve. Been a few years since I used it but I have some in my stash ready for my summer cut (will use it with test and tren though)
 
I ran 4 andro for many months and felt great the entire cycle. I had some 1-andro and epi andro for weeks at a time throughout the cycle, and honestly 4-andro was my favorite. I think it will make a great test base if you refuse to pin. I also ran 200mg at a time not 300+ because it was the IML version which was expensive to run at high doses.. anyways, I made impressive gains and highly recommend 4-andro
 
you don't sound ready to run a trest based cycle, just my opinion....

i think a nice cycle for you at this point would be 1-andro + 4-andro....i highly suggest going with iconic formulations ICON ONE and ALPHA FOUR....use my code THEBIGT and save 20%.
 
cronikgains said:
I ran 4 andro for many months and felt great the entire cycle. I had some 1-andro and epi andro for weeks at a time throughout the cycle, and honestly 4-andro was my favorite. I think it will make a great test base if you refuse to pin. I also ran 200mg at a time not 300+ because it was the IML version which was expensive to run at high doses.. anyways, I made impressive gains and highly recommend 4-andro
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Was it the transdermal? You can definitely go lower than oral dose when using TD. Both great options.
 
I’m really not trying to be a Dick here. This is genuine heartfelt advise. If you are scared to death of Injecting, do not try any real oral AAS. Do not venture into the world of AAS if you can’t inject.
 
Afi140 said:
Was it the transdermal? You can definitely go lower than oral dose when using TD. Both great options.
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No, it was before they had the transdermals. I respond well to just about everything I've tried even low dose (although I usually up the dosage last few weeks of a cycle). I just prefer to use the least amount possible. I've run the real superdrol, dmz, epistane, h drol and I was still impressed with my 4-andro run. Epiandro prob my least fav of the 3 andros i've run.
 
Codybenz said:
I’m really not trying to be a Dick here. This is genuine heartfelt advise. If you are scared to death of Injecting, do not try any real oral AAS. Do not venture into the world of AAS if you can’t inject.
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I agree with this and will add that Codybenz is possibly basing this on the possibility/likelyness of ending up on trt at some point (or maybe this i just my thinking). Which is a likely outcome for any AAS user. Even though pinning is the best way to go when cycling, you can still do decent cycles with out pinning. But you can't do trt with out injections. I've never heard of anyone being satisfied with the testgels, at least not for a longer period.
 
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Shadowunder said:
So a test Base is needed for orals.

If i plan to do tbol would a 8 Week cycle Shut down completely? Planning on doing 4 andro as a test base for that time,or will with them combined the supression be way more than tbol only.

Also read that trestolone (transdermal netter) works best as test Base. How does ist so that,will it keep libido and Well beeing in Check?

People say the only possible oral only cycle ist dbol,because it converts enough to estrogen to work as a "Test Base" but dbol supress way more then tbol does .

So what ist the "best" but still dumb decission to Take, tbol only, tbol+4 andro ,tbol+trest or dbol only?

Pct will be clomid,trest is the best base but comes with the harshest shutdown,but i read it bounces back very fast.so with proper pct trest as a base and tbol Sounds the best option,right?


Thanks


Thanks an this are just theoretical question .
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A test base is not needed for orals IMO. There’s no scientific consensus or literature that makes that claim, just anecdotal reports of guys feeling like ass without it. As a matter of fact, combining and oral steroid with injectables that have much longer half lives will shut you down more so than if you ran a short oral cycle alone. Until you know how your body personally responds to a compound, I wouldn’t start adding other things in just because it’s common place on the internet. Oh and one more thing, you can start your pct within a day or two of stopping and oral cycle. Depending on what injectable you use, you might have to wait a week or so, even longer for 19nors like deca and tren. Do yourself a favor and buy some halodrol brother. I’ve read it’s not even a full agonist of the androgen receptor and it’s been around long enough and is proven to be a fantastic compound for any goal you have.
Also, don’t use 4 andro. Get some 4 androdiol. Fusion andro test is the only one I’ve come across nowadays. It’s the only 4 andro that’s had replicable results in studies that have been done on it. 4 androsterone is a gigantic waste of money.
 
Shadowunder said:
So a test Base is needed for orals.

If i plan to do tbol would a 8 Week cycle Shut down completely? Planning on doing 4 andro as a test base for that time,or will with them combined the supression be way more than tbol only.

Also read that trestolone (transdermal netter) works best as test Base. How does ist so that,will it keep libido and Well beeing in Check?

People say the only possible oral only cycle ist dbol,because it converts enough to estrogen to work as a "Test Base" but dbol supress way more then tbol does .

So what ist the "best" but still dumb decission to Take, tbol only, tbol+4 andro ,tbol+trest or dbol only?

Pct will be clomid,trest is the best base but comes with the harshest shutdown,but i read it bounces back very fast.so with proper pct trest as a base and tbol Sounds the best option,right?


Thanks


Thanks an this are just theoretical question .
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Look into the side effects of trest, and tell me that’s something you’d want to consider. I wouldn’t touch that **** with a ten foot pole.
 
Just do a cycle of dianabol it works great its cheap and effective and u will get gains and for the most part libido will be Alright for most People
 
KvanH said:
Was this confirmed via blood test?
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yeah that would be my question.

I mean there are always outliers, guys have managed to impregnate their wife’s whilst smashing massive doses of gear with no hcg etc but doesn’t mean everyone can.

for most people trest is a tough recovery ime. As the dude above me says it was literally studied as a male contraceptive - that’s how suppressive it is
 
ThareALRickyBlobby said:
No blood work. Just back feeling 100 percent
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ah ok.

Obviously I know you know your stuff bro but just to be fair to the newer guys it needs to be pointed out that it’s really tough to go by feel. Low test, suppression etc doesn’t always manifest itself in a text book way nor at the time. Outside factors can also play a role in how we feel.

just wouldn’t want anyone to think we can blast, pct and if we feel ok then it means hormone balance has been restored and we can go again. Gotta get bloods to confirm
 
Whisky said:
ah ok.

Obviously I know you know your stuff bro but just to be fair to the newer guys it needs to be pointed out that it’s really tough to go by feel. Low test, suppression etc doesn’t always manifest itself in a text book way nor at the time. Outside factors can also play a role in how we feel.

just wouldn’t want anyone to think we can blast, pct and if we feel ok then it means hormone balance has been restored and we can go again. Gotta get bloods to confirm
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Also "no PCT".
 
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