You first said that studies only used 300mg/kg, ignoring doses of 3,5,10,20,40, etc. mg/kg. You then said that the studies from 2007 were “newer” studies, when the other studies that did find it to be unsafe were constructed two years later in 2009. You also recommended using it at the “recommended” dose, but that would be no more than 10mg, while everyone and their mother runs 20mg, if not more.
It doesn’t matter what the recommend dosage on the bottle is, and, if we’re being technical, it shouldn’t even legally be sold as a dietary supplement in capsules with dosing instructions for human consumption. No human study has used more than 10mg, and even that is not a recommended dosage anymore, as the developers have completely abandoned development and explicitly stated that people should not use it. Therefore, the recommended dose by the people who made it, who know more than either of us, is 0mg.
You just contradicted yourself...You just said that there are no studies even saying that it accelerates cancer. This is the absolute least we know it does. You can argue it doesn’t cause cancer, whatever, but we know that in rodents it, at the least, accelerated cancer and augments the carcinogenic effects of other causative agents. Even if the mice were given cancer, we know that the GW accelerated this growth, which means, stay with me here, it ACCELERATES CANCER GROWTH. The only thing you can even try to argue is that it doesn’t CAUSE cancer alone. To claim that it doesn’t augment existing cancer or exacerbate causative agents is asinine.
No. Even the studies where they gave the eodsnts cancer indicates that GW accelerates cancer growth, as the GW treated groups developed cancer faster/more than the rats that didn’t. This was at very low doses, equivalent to around 30-40mg. Many, many studies have come to this conclusion. So you can argue that GW didn’t cause cancer, but it certainly ACCELERATED the growth of cancer. That much is not arguable.
I think it's safest to listen to what GSK and Ligand have to say, and what their action show. They abandoned development, and I'd say it's safe to assume this was for a good reason. At the end of the day though, it's up to you to decide risk vs reward for anything and everything you use.
According to who? The random online companies illegally selling it as a dietary supplement? The actual "recommended dose" would, if anything, be 2.5-10mg, as no human study I've seen, or mentioned in the analysis, has ever used more than 10mg. To recommend a dose double the highest human dose ever studied is silly, to put it nicely. Furthermore, according to GSK and Ligand, the "recommended dose" is not to use it at all, period, so there is no "recommended dose."
We don't really know anything based on these anecdotes. The only way we could even start to develop a picture would be to conduct an observational study polling people who have used GW and seeing if, decades later, they had an increased incidence of cancer. Without doing that, we really have no idea, and no one is going to fund such a study, as development for GW has already been discontinued and they've moved on to trying to find something better.
We’ll never really know with GW unfortunately. 20-30+ years from now, if you do develop cancer, which I hope you do not, we won’t know if GW caused it. Similarly, if you don’t, that also doesn’t mean that GW is safe, as some people can smoke daily for decades and not get lung cancer. Ultimately, we just have to decide on what we think is best, and then go with it haha. I’m just curious to see what they come up with next to replace GW, and they’re already working on it. If it can do similar things but with less potential risks, that’d be amazing.
Well GW was recommended as cycle support; now people can form their own opinion on if it’s good or not.
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Everyone in my family I’ve ever known or heard of, on both sides, has died of cancer. It’s unavoidable for me. I’d rather have low bf and low cholesterol.
This is actually a really good point, something that people should consider when they do anythingEveryone in my family I’ve ever known or heard of, on both sides, has died of cancer. It’s unavoidable for me. I’d rather have low bf and low cholesterol.
