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Best anti-estrogen for Clomid Only Cycle

Buffspartan said:
would I be better off running 25mg for 90 days as opposed to the 50mg for 60 days? And I think they tested very soon after they stopped, like within days
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if they tested within days, their numbers are 100% irrelevant and they may have plummeted their test lower for all we know.
 
hewhoisripped said:
if they tested within days, their numbers are 100% irrelevant and they may have plummeted their test lower for all we know.
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Yeah, I'm reading a lot of stuff about T levels dropping as soon as you stop clomid. Some guys will stay on a low dose (25mg 3x per week) for 12-18 months after their initial boost cycle, but that's about the max.
 
Buffspartan said:
Yeah, I'm reading a lot of stuff about T levels dropping as soon as you stop clomid. Some guys will stay on a low dose (25mg 3x per week) for 12-18 months after their initial boost cycle, but that's about the max.
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well even if there is a long term improvement in levels, you won't know it if you test the next day. that's why I keep saying you should wait at least 8 weeks after. your run before jumping to conclusions
 
hewhoisripped said:
well even if there is a long term improvement in levels, you won't know it if you test the next day. that's why I keep saying you should wait at least 8 weeks after. your run before jumping to conclusions
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Fair enough...still, after further research it appears that this may be a longer term thing than I thought, especially if I'm using it as an alternative to TRT. And it says to taper it REALLY slowly if you want a chance at seeing long term results. I gotta play this one right and make sure I have everything planned out if I'm serious about this, which I am

But yeah, a lot of guys are noticing their levels crash down after about 3 months after stopping treatment. I'm thinking of either continuing long term at a low dose or starting the natty stack immediately after stopping. But the promising part is younger men have a MUCH higher success rate with increasing test, free test, and libido than older men. Some of the younger guys (20s and 30s) are getting theirs in the 800-1500 range with an almost perfect success rate, while the older guys (40s-60s) are more into the 550-800 range with clomid treatment with a somewhat lower success rate, especially once you're over the age of 55. The success rate falls under 50% once you reach your 70s though.

So this is TRT Alternative that I have decided on, critique if you want.
Month 1: 25 mg Clomid per day (Docs generally start at lower dose or ease into it)
Month 2-5: 50 mg Clomid per day + Formeron 2 Pumps (6 weeks on 4 weeks off)
Month 6-8: 25 mg Clomid per day + Formeron 1 pump (6 weeks on 4 weeks off)
Month 9-11: 25 mg Clomid (M, W, F) + Formeron 1 Pump (6 weeks on 4 weeks off) + 50 mg Preg
Month 12: 12.5 mg Clomid (M, W, F) + 50 mg Preg

Post Clomid Stack (Indefinitely):
Black Lion Research Viron x 1 Cap (8 Weeks on 2 Weeks off)
BPS Endosurge Turbo x 6 (8 Weeks on 4 Weeks off)
Tribulus x 5 (Daily Supplement)
Ironmaglabs Anabolic Matrix RX x 4 (8 Weeks on 2 Weeks off)
Formeron x 2 pumps (6 Weeks on 4 Weeks off)

I read you should ease into it to avoid visual issues from the pituitary gland increasing in size too rapidly (since I'm using it to boost natural test and not as PCT) and pressing against your eye, affecting your vision, and it should be tapered very slowly. Low doses have been used for up to a year of long term use. Just read 7 studies and about 30 forums lol.
 
Buffspartan said:
Actually the Brazilian medical study used 25mg for a 6 month period and managed to almost double the test in almost ALL the men under the age of 70 in the study . And even those who were over the age of 70 had a 50% success rate, meaning that Clomid seems to work better if you're younger. Invalid Link Removed I think I might actually go for the lower dose for longer...lemme do a little more research though

Another study shows average free testosterone among 173 men going from an average 9.3 pre treatment to 21.8 post treatment for men who dosed 50mg Monday, Wednesday, and Friday for 4 months. There was also a minimum 75% increase in Total test in full responders. Again, the highest percentage of full responders were under the age of 55 Invalid Link Removed

It also seems from what I'm reading that most docs that prescribe it for low test are doing 50mg for 3 months or 100mg for 2 months.

Of course the 100mg dose for two months is generally used in cases of complete testosterone shutdown from steroid use
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The lower dose for longer has been used with good success overnon Datbtrue's site. I also think it'd be better and safer. It needs to be a gentle restart and as u taper the Clomid, u bring up things like NAC, L-Carnitine, Tocopherols, Vit D3 & Stinging Nettleroot. Thats how I'd do it.
 
Buffspartan said:
Fair enough...still, after further research it appears that this may be a longer term thing than I thought, especially if I'm using it as an alternative to TRT. And it says to taper it REALLY slowly if you want a chance at seeing long term results. I gotta play this one right and make sure I have everything planned out if I'm serious about this, which I am

But yeah, a lot of guys are noticing their levels crash down after about 3 months after stopping treatment. I'm thinking of either continuing long term at a low dose or starting the natty stack immediately after stopping. But the promising part is younger men have a MUCH higher success rate with increasing test, free test, and libido than older men. Some of the younger guys (20s and 30s) are getting theirs in the 800-1500 range with an almost perfect success rate, while the older guys (40s-60s) are more into the 550-800 range with clomid treatment with a somewhat lower success rate, especially once you're over the age of 55. The success rate falls under 50% once you reach your 70s though.

So this is TRT Alternative that I have decided on, critique if you want.
Month 1: 25 mg Clomid per day (Docs generally start at lower dose or ease into it)
Month 2-5: 50 mg Clomid per day + Formeron 2 Pumps (6 weeks on 4 weeks off)
Month 6-8: 25 mg Clomid per day + Formeron 1 pump (6 weeks on 4 weeks off)
Month 9-11: 25 mg Clomid (M, W, F) + Formeron 1 Pump (6 weeks on 4 weeks off) + 50 mg Preg
Month 12: 12.5 mg Clomid (M, W, F) + 50 mg Preg

Post Clomid Stack (Indefinitely):
Black Lion Research Viron x 1 Cap (8 Weeks on 2 Weeks off)
BPS Endosurge Turbo x 6 (8 Weeks on 4 Weeks off)
Tribulus x 5 (Daily Supplement)
Ironmaglabs Anabolic Matrix RX x 4 (8 Weeks on 2 Weeks off)
Formeron x 2 pumps (6 Weeks on 4 Weeks off)

I read you should ease into it to avoid visual issues from the pituitary gland increasing in size too rapidly (since I'm using it to boost natural test and not as PCT) and pressing against your eye, affecting your vision, and it should be tapered very slowly. Low doses have been used for up to a year of long term use. Just read 7 studies and about 30 forums lol.
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so your going to put a patch on the spot, not try to solve the problem? I'd try clomid, see if it does jack **** in the long term, if it doesn't, move onto something else. otherwise you'll be spending your money for years on something that doesn't do jack **** for you, not to mention you're seriously playing with your chemistry.
 
Clomid worked well for me when I did it to get low test levels back up. Sex drive was nuts, might of been placebo I dunno
 
Ordering it now!! Pharma grade pills! Btw, why is everyone out of stock on Formeron? Any idea when it will be back? I've checked every site.
 
Buffspartan said:
Ordering it now!! Pharma grade pills! Btw, why is everyone out of stock on Formeron? Any idea when it will be back? I've checked every site.
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I think with the release of Folli BLR git a whole lot of publicity and their other products sold out quick as well.

More expected soon, hoping this week, for now there is always Formabolic

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Driven2lift said:
I think with the release of Folli BLR git a whole lot of publicity and their other products sold out quick as well.

More expected soon, hoping this week, for now there is always Formabolic

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I heard formabolic isn't as strong. Oh well I can wait a few weeks. I'm taking AD-3 at the moment so I'd want a couple weeks after I finish that before starting up on a new AI.
 
Peppers said:
Full inbox bro.

Q:
A: leave it blank
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Can you only pay with Visa? Cuz I'm trying to use a mastercard and I don't see that option
 
Buffspartan said:
I heard formabolic isn't as strong. Oh well I can wait a few weeks. I'm taking AD-3 at the moment so I'd want a couple weeks after I finish that before starting up on a new AI.
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Its every bit as good as the other guys, same mg per bottle, it has a great carrier and from what I have been told absorbs better without the crystal flakes. Plus with the measured dose of 50mg per two pumps it is more accurate and easier to measure our precise doses vs "roughly 75mg per pump..
Its also in stock at orbit or here
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use the code in my signature to save some $ and if you want to check out some of the logs supperbeast and BIGT have been running. They can vouch for the quality
 
McCrew530 said:
Its every bit as good as the other guys, same mg per bottle, it has a great carrier and from what I have been told absorbs better without the crystal flakes. Plus with the measured dose of 50mg per two pumps it is more accurate and easier to measure our precise doses vs "roughly 75mg per pump..
Its also in stock at orbit or here
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use the code in my signature to save some $ and if you want to check out some of the logs supperbeast and BIGT have been running. They can vouch for the quality
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I'll take a look at that definitely
 
Any good suggestions for places to get clomid? The place I was trying to order from is currently having issues with their payment system right now, inbox suggestions.
 
Hey just wondering how that clomid cycle worked out for you, I'm seeing an endo next week and im thinking of bringing this method up to him. Are any of you guys that done a clomid only cycle from NY? I believe prescribing clomid to men makes it off label use, and NY sucks so
 
Was working well as far as I could see. My libido was up, I was feeling strong, and my balls got much bigger, so I'd definitely say it works. I'm currently taking a short break from it while I do a SARM cycle. Will restart again in a few weeks. I may pass on the Arimidex though because it seems to have been a little too strong, even at .25mg 3 times a week. I'll prob just get some PES Erase Pro the next time around.
 
Your completely wrong buddy Clomid will boost test a lot more than nolva. Nalvadex lowers igf1 as well it is the worst for using as a stand alone for boosting t. I run Clomid for test boosting reasons and it works really really really well. It will raise e2 and prolactin so for otc take old school earse not erase pro you can get it off Amazon for $16 or use aromasin those both I recommended a're sucidial ai do not run something that will supress your estrogen and cause a rebound and don't listen to these fools hrt docs use Clomid to get your t levels back
 
gynopuff said:
Your completely wrong buddy Clomid will boost test a lot more than nolva. Nalvadex lowers igf1 as well it is the worst for using as a stand alone for boosting t. I run Clomid for test boosting reasons and it works really really really well. It will raise e2 and prolactin so for otc take old school earse not erase pro you can get it off Amazon for $16 or use aromasin those both I recommended a're sucidial ai do not run something that will supress your estrogen and cause a rebound and don't listen to these fools hrt docs use Clomid to get your t levels back
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HRT docs may use Clomid, as they should. But HRT clinics like to use weekly test injections for steady income.
 
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