Beginner

[denzal77]

Im just about to embark on my steroid journey as a beginner, ive been told to start off with test 300 and anavar..how long do I take these for before taking a break and how long for the break before I start again??? Is this the correct combination to start off with as a beginner, as much info as possible, would be appreciated thankyou

 

[Dustin07]

I've not used test, but I've used anavar. I know guys here may suggest having your 'var tested to make sure its actually var and not dbol which I believe is the common swap people often get labeled as var. do you have an idea of how much you plan to take?

my best run was last Nov, I ran var for 6 weeks at 20mg and I believe IIRC, I had just enough to finish with 30mg on PR attempts the last couple days.

I put on 15lbs in that period of time. I can tell by pictures my face got puffy but my strength certainly went up. on week 7 I hit my PRs.

 

[Smont]

You should run test without the VAR. You have never used injectable testosterone before and you have no clue how you're going to respond how you're going to aromatize estrogen if you're going to get gyno or acne or any of the potential side effects.

When you start a cycle with two brand new compounds that you've never used before you don't know what's causing what and you don't know how to address the problems, also as a very first time androgen user you're going to get everything possible out of that testosterone you don't need to add anything else. 300-500mg of testosterone for 12-16 weeks is a fantastic first cycle. Start at 300, after 6-8 weeks bump it up to 450-500 and make sure you have your post Cycle therapy lined up before your cycle even starts

 

[Smont]

Your diet will determine results. You likely will gains 10-20lbs, just remember that weight gained and muscle gained are very different everybody gains a lot of weight on a cycle but when everything's said and done you should hope to keep about 25-50% of that weight gain. All the rest of the weight is mostly glycogen and mineral storage. That's why someone on steroids looks different than another person who's not on steroids even when they're the same weight and the same body fat percentage. There is a cosmetic effect to being on anabolics.

When you hear stories of guys gaining 20 lb in 4 weeks and then losing it all in post psychotherapy they did not lose their gains, they weren't gains to begin with, it was just a cosmetic effect. Building muscle takes time and calories.

If someone really gained 20 lb of muscle in 4 weeks, that would mean that they were in a excess 3000 calories per week surplus and every calorie went to muscle growth.

And even if that did happen, a muscle is only about 12-15% contractile muscle tissue/protein. and the rest is also mostly water.


The only reason I'm saying any of this is just to give you a reasonable expectation of what a cycle will do.

Also if you don't have very specific goals that call for a short term boost in strength or a cosmetic effect for a show, skip the orals all together and go with EQ or primo on your second or 3rd cycle (with test of course)

 

[denzal77]

Your diet will determine results. You likely will gains 10-20lbs, just remember that weight gained and muscle gained are very different everybody gains a lot of weight on a cycle but when everything's said and done you should hope to keep about 25-50% of that weight gain. All the rest of the weight is mostly glycogen and mineral storage. That's why someone on steroids looks different than another person who's not on steroids even when they're the same weight and the same body fat percentage. There is a cosmetic effect to being on anabolics.

When you hear stories of guys gaining 20 lb in 4 weeks and then losing it all in post psychotherapy they did not lose their gains, they weren't gains to begin with, it was just a cosmetic effect. Building muscle takes time and calories.

If someone really gained 20 lb of muscle in 4 weeks, that would mean that they were in a excess 3000 calories per week surplus and every calorie went to muscle growth.

And even if that did happen, a muscle is only about 12-15% contractile muscle tissue/protein. and the rest is also mostly water.


The only reason I'm saying any of this is just to give you a reasonable expectation of what a cycle will do.

Also if you don't have very specific goals that call for a short term boost in strength or a cosmetic effect for a show, skip the orals all together and go with EQ or primo on your second or 3rd cycle (with test of course)

 

[denzal77]

Thankyou this great advice much appreciated, is that 300ml a whole vial each week of the test???, and would nolvadex or clomid be good for PCT im a bit unsure, and how long do i take a break from the test after my 12-16 week cycle??? Are there any natural substances i can take along sude the test????

 

[Smont]

Thankyou this great advice much appreciated, is that 300ml a whole vial each week of the test???, and would nolvadex or clomid be good for PCT im a bit unsure, and how long do i take a break from the test after my 12-16 week cycle??? Are there any natural substances i can take along sude the test????

In the nicest way possible, this question tells you that you need to do a lot more research.

Testosterone typically comes 200mg/ml for Cyp 250mg/ml E or Sust, sometimes up to 300mg,/ml (you don't want to go higher than that concentration per milliliter because they have to use a bunch of solvents to make it test 400 or higher. Prop is usually 50-100mg/ml.

A typical vial is 10ml.

So if you get test e 300mg/ml then a standard 10ml bottle is going to last 10 weeks at that dose.

You would want 2 bottles of test a bottle of either adex or exemestane for estrogen and people often skip the most important part of PCT and that's HCG and also a serm, enclomphine.

So with the things I mentioned you could do 6-7 weeks on 300 and bump to 450 for 6-7 week with a AI on hand. After the cycle you stop pinning test and start the HCG every other day for 2-3 week and then start your enclomphine.

The entire cycle+ PCT would cost $250-400+ depending on your source. If I was to source these things from my local guy it would cost me about $280 and this is a 3.5month cycle and a 6 week PCT.

If you do the math, it's about $75/month.

Steroids are actually cheaper then supplements when your using reasonable doses

 

[Dustin07]

The entire cycle+ PCT would cost $250-400+ depending on your source. If I was to source these things from my local guy it would cost me about $280 and this is a 3.5month cycle and a 6 week PCT.

If you do the math, it's about $75/month.

Steroids are actually cheaper then supplements when your using reasonable doses

no joke!! my currently fully natty stack has been really good to me, but definitely cost a lot more than that.

 

[Smont]

no joke!! my currently fully natty stack has been really good to me, but definitely cost a lot more than that.

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Yes natty supps are usually more expensive, but remember, most natural anabolic supplements have a list of ingredients that go into them. Not many are single ingredient products. So when you buy a natural anabolic you're paying for like five or more supplements in one. 2x Test, 1x AI, HCG, serm, that's only 5 items. You likely have more than five ingredients in multiple of those products.

Now if you working pairing a real Natty stack with all single ingredients. Creatine, eaa's, mitoburn, and a stimulant of your choice, that's a pretty cheap stack.

So when we're comparing these Natty anabolic supplement stacks to a steroid stack it's apples to oranges, there's just so much more that goes into those natural stacks.

I'd imagine Steve has to source all of those ingredients and then there's all kinds of testing that has to get done then you got to do a trial run and come up with your labels in the packaging in the marketing.

On the flip side I can go buy some raw testosterone powder and if I have the things I need to do a Homebrew set up I can make a bottle of test for about eight bucks

 

[Smont]

I definitely think it's time for me to invest in a set up like that .

 

[Dustin07]

I'd imagine Steve has to source all of those ingredients and then there's all kinds of testing that has to get done then you got to do a trial run and come up with your labels in the packaging in the marketing.

yeah I've had some long convos with Steve and I trust him greatly in regards to his ingredient research. I bought lean GLP first because of its description and my trust in him before I ever dug into the ingredient profile. then I started reasearching each ingredient individually and realized that it's a powerhouse product in itself. Anabolic XT was a really nice sleeper when I was on a bulk playing with epiandro, androsterone etc. I noticed it, but it felt mild. Now that I've been natty for most of 2025 and on a cut the past few months (albeit a slow cut) the anabolic xt hits HARD.

 

[ironviking]

Im just about to embark on my steroid journey as a beginner, ive been told to start off with test 300 and anavar..how long do I take these for before taking a break and how long for the break before I start again??? Is this the correct combination to start off with as a beginner, as much info as possible, would be appreciated thankyou

There are a few things very concerning about your post. You're asking cycle specific questions but it sounds like you know very little about the compounds you noted. You also leave out any mention of your current stats, training, diet, and goals. It's good you're asking questions and I'm not trying to give you any grief but realize steroids are an enhancement to an already existing solid base, they are not a primary agent. If you already have your basics covered then great, do more research on the compounds, talk to folks that are 6 weeks past their last injection to understand what that will be like, instead of the dudes right after their cycle, and drive on. Otherwise get everything else dialed in so your cycle will be worth it. Either way good luck on your endeavor.

 

[yates84]

You should run test without the VAR. You have never used injectable testosterone before and you have no clue how you're going to respond how you're going to aromatize estrogen if you're going to get gyno or acne or any of the potential side effects.

When you start a cycle with two brand new compounds that you've never used before you don't know what's causing what and you don't know how to address the problems, also as a very first time androgen user you're going to get everything possible out of that testosterone you don't need to add anything else. 300-500mg of testosterone for 12-16 weeks is a fantastic first cycle. Start at 300, after 6-8 weeks bump it up to 450-500 and make sure you have your post Cycle therapy lined up before your cycle even starts

 

[yates84]

@Smont is giving you solid advice but kicking off a cycle with var isn't a bad idea either. Var being a dht derivative will actually help mitigate some of the estrogenic effects from the test and it is very mild so great for a beginner. Either way you should be cool.

 

[Smont]

@Smont is giving you solid advice but kicking off a cycle with var isn't a bad idea either. Var being a dht derivative will actually help mitigate some of the estrogenic effects from the test and it is very mild so great for a beginner. Either way you should be cool.

I might of smoked too much pot today hello old timer lol