Beginner Questions

[FallenDorito]

Hello everyone!

I made a post recently and realized that I needed to do a lot more research before diving into Prohormones/sarms. I have the proper cycle support and pct now. I just wanted to get some opinions on what would be a good compound to start with. I’m looking for more of a bulking cycle as I lost a decent amount of weight during quarantine. Any advice would be great thanks!

 

[pheeroni]

Firstly we need your stats.
IMO Testosterone > Prohoromone > SARM.

I think you should try testosterone first and on and on for more exotic compound. Testosterone is well tolerated by males so it most likely not causing any troubles (if any, like gyno prone). Prohormones is going around for years, but the compound is not for beginner since they mostly aren't testosterone based.

On the other hand, SARM is just "IN" recently and not much research or report about the sides. i think it's not worth to be the lab rat.

 

[FallenDorito]

I’m 23 6ft and 182 pounds. I don’t know my bf but I’m fairly lean. Lifting for about 6 years and powerlifting for the past year or two.
Testosterone would be a great start but I don’t have the ability to go there yet. That’s why I was asking about Prohormones or sarms.

 

[BBiceps]

Don’t bother with SARM’s, try a Msten or DMZ (or both) for 6 weeks. I like Msten but DMZ seems to be popular. Make sure you have Clomid or such for PCT. Keep it simple the first cycle.

 

[FallenDorito]

Do you need to have a test base like 4 Andro with those?

 

[Whisky]

Just my personal view but I think DMZ or Msten are a second or third cycle compound.....I’d personally start a touch milder.

my view would be the 1/4 andro stack. With epiandro for added kick. Halodrol is also popular as a starter compound. None of those should give problematic sides but both will deliver results if your diet and nutrition is on point of course (that applies to anything).

if you can source legit var then a solo run of that for 6-8 weeks would also be a solid way to go.

you don’t ‘need’ a test base on any compound, it’s just gonna make the ride much more enjoyable. 4-ad, 4-andro, etc are probably your best options.

im not saying I’m right and my brother above is wrong, just giving my personal view. Had someone suggested m1t or sdrol or something then that would be poor suggestion - msten, dmz, epistane, Nano 1-t etc just sit in the middle range rather than beginner range in my personal opinion.

 

[FallenDorito]

Thank you for the replies!
What dosages would the 1/4 Andro be run at and would you still do a serm for the Andros?

 

[Whisky]

Thank you for the replies!
What dosages would the 1/4 Andro be run at and would you still do a serm for the Andros?

330 to 400 ish for the andros bro

and yes re the serm - anything worth running will need one

 

[FallenDorito]

Awesome. Thanks for the help!

 

[CroLifter]

If you are looking at ph's because you feel like test e or c are too slow acting, you dont want to be on cycle for 10 weeks, want to be in and out quickly... test prop!

I guarantee your bloodwork will be much better on test than on either halodrol, dmz, msten... and you will feel better.

 

[BBiceps]

Do you need to have a test base like 4 Andro with those?

Naw, you’ll be fine without but if you decide to use one, use real test, if you don’t want to inject use gel or cream.

 

[thebigt]

Naw, you’ll be fine without but if you decide to use one, use real test, if you don’t want to inject use gel or cream.

what supplement store sells those?

 

[BBiceps]

what supplement store sells those?

It shouldn’t be to hard find if you look around but I thought it was against the rules to ask for sources?

 

[thebigt]

It shouldn’t be to hard find if you look around but I thought it was against the rules to ask for sources?

sources for supplements?

 

[BBiceps]

sources for supplements?

We’re not talking about supplements.

 

[FallenDorito]

I’m gonna go with the 1/4 Andro and epiandro. I want to keep it simple at first and go from there. What would a good dosage be for the epiandro? Or is it the same as the 1/4?
For a second cycle I have some msten already which seems to be popular.

 

[Whisky]

I’m gonna go with the 1/4 Andro and epiandro. I want to keep it simple at first and go from there. What would a good dosage be for the epiandro? Or is it the same as the 1/4?
For a second cycle I have some msten already which seems to be popular.

oral epiandro needs to be 900 plus Ed for most people (td is supposed to have better absorption so can be dosed lower), it is very effective pwo.....

 

[thebigt]

oral epiandro needs to be 900 plus Ed for most people (td is supposed to have better absorption so can be dosed lower), it is very effective pwo.....

solo i would agree, as part of a stack i think it could be dosed considerably lower...transdermally it is 2x better absorbed by body.

i agree it is great as a pwo, but orally is best to get the quick hit.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

its my belief and I have stated this ad nauseum... ALWAYS start with the mildest compounds first with the lowest possible dose. THE VERY LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS START WITH A HEAVY ORAL. Try the least harsh stuff first. even advocating strait DHEA can be good to dip your feet in the hormonal world. something like dermacrine can give great resluts and let you find out if your body behaves well on added or optimized hormones. If it were me, I would probably go with something like 3 ad or epiandro to start out with.. minimum dosing is a must, and dont start by stacking ****.. thats for advanced users who know what they are doing.

LET THERE BE NO MISTAKE: there is a very real possibility of hormonal disaster even with the mildest of gear. only after a few asending cycles will you know how your body handles this type of abuse. Its not for everyone. keep that in mind. A lot of us live or die by them but some people just cant handle this stuff, both mentally and physically

 

[thebigt]

its my belief and I have stated this ad nauseum... ALWAYS start with the mildest compounds first with the lowest possible dose. THE VERY LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS START WITH A HEAVY ORAL. Try the least harsh stuff first. even advocating strait DHEA can be good to dip your feet in the hormonal world. something like dermacrine can give great resluts and let you find out if your body behaves well on added or optimized hormones. If it were me, I would probably go with something like 3 ad or epiandro to start out with.. minimum dosing is a must, and dont start by stacking ****.. thats for advanced users who know what they are doing.

LET THERE BE NO MISTAKE: there is a very real possibility of hormonal disaster even with the mildest of gear. only after a few asending cycles will you know how your body handles this type of abuse. Its not for everyone. keep that in mind. A lot of us live or die by them but some people just cant handle this stuff, both mentally and physically

well said, brother.

 

[cheftepesh1]

You might want to start with something very light like Ultra Epi. It’s a great starter cycle. You can add dermacrine for a base and sustain Alpha for pct.



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[Jaa0023]

Certain sarms will be less suppressive.

 

[thebigt]

You might want to start with something very light like Ultra Epi. It’s a great starter cycle. You can add dermacrine for a base and sustain Alpha for pct.



Use code chef for 25% off iconic formulations

would be a great starter cycle!!!