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Beginner Oral PH Cycle

gettingjacked

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Stats:
Been lifting since 16, Now 22
6 foot 1
195lbs
11% BF
6 months ago I had bulked up to 240 eating 6500 calls, but got to about 16-17% BF, decided I'd never dirty bulk again in my life..haha.
Anyway, now that I'm fairly lean I'd like to put a few pounds on and be a solid 200lbs but dense and more cut.
Was thinking about hopping on Finaflex 1-Andro, but people are telling me I'll have to take some test in order to keep my libido and to reduce my lethargy but I'm not looking to inject.

I have clomid, I have Organ Shield, now I'm just looking for a mild PH with mild sides to run for 4 weeks and that is not harsh on the hair (thinking about getting Nizoral too, as I'm paranoid). I don't want to have to take a test product also, is there anything mild I can take that is relatively safe, in terms of PH's being safe? Thanks in advance guys!
 
Epistane. Very mild on the side effects, but it would be better to run at 5-6 weeks. If you're looking to just harden what you've got, add a little weight, and a lot of strength its great. You don't NEED a test base but I would recommend it to combat the lethargy. I ran it without test and was a couch potato who only got up to lift and eat lol not a great feeling. If you don't want to inject for a test base there's a number of non injectable routes. Dermacrine, trest, stano (i think only takes the role of DHT not sure if as suitable as a test base) and probably a few others.
 
Sexykunt said:
Epistane. Very mild on the side effects, but it would be better to run at 5-6 weeks. If you're looking to just harden what you've got, add a little weight, and a lot of strength its great. You don't NEED a test base but I would recommend it to combat the lethargy. I ran it without test and was a couch potato who only got up to lift and eat lol not a great feeling. If you don't want to inject for a test base there's a number of non injectable routes. Derma cream, trest, stano (i think only takes the role of DHT not sure if as suitable as a test base) and probably a few others.
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-This.

I would also add that you should run Epi at 40mg minimum .... that is the generally excepted 'sweet spot'. I ran it at 30/45/45/45/45/45. Loved it. I didn't have a test base so I dealt with the lethargy thing that started around week 4. My next cycle I will run TR3ST as a test base or at the very least Dermacrine.

Just make sure to have PCT all set up and on point.
Nolva and/or Clomid
And a otc pct supp that doesn't rely on Tribulus as a test booster ..... tribulus does not raise T levels. It is good for a temp libido boost but thats about it. I recommend an otc pct supp that has DAA in it ..... like REVOLUTION PCT by FINAFLEX.

I would also strongly recommend you have a good AI on hand just in case. I ran TransFORM for the last 3 weeks of PCT. Some folks have an E rebound issue when they stop the Nolva and the AI can help with that.

You will love Epi .... perfect first time PH cycle. ;)
 
Hey guys epistane is not a PH it is a steroid and running it for. 6-8 wks and at 40mg for a guy looking to take a mild PH for the first time is a bit much in my opinion. Epistane can be quite harsh on the liver enzymes above. 30mg and this is a huge jump up from 1-andro. I agree it is a good compound and great for someone looking to make lean quality gains but I think you should dose it at 20mg a day to start and work up to 30mg if you feel comfortable. Another good compound to start would be a Halodrol or merhylclostebol. We have many of these on sale right now. If you go with epistane I recommend the RPN Havoc or Olympus labs epistane. Halodrol 25mg dose check out IronMagLabs or Blackstone labs Halo Elite 50mg dose. We are offering a free goodie bag with all AM orders. Just put AM in your order notes if you order from us.
 
TGB1987 said:
Hey guys epistane is not a PH it is a steroid and running it for. 6-8 wks and at 40mg for a guy looking to take a mild PH for the first time is a bit much in my opinion. Epistane can be quite harsh on the liver enzymes above. 30mg and this is a huge jump up from 1-andro. I agree it is a good compound and great for someone looking to make lean quality gains but I think you should dose it at 20mg a day to start and work up to 30mg if you feel comfortable. Another good compound to start would be a Halodrol or merhylclostebol. We have many of these on sale right now. If you go with epistane I recommend the RPN Havoc or Olympus labs epistane. Halodrol 25mg dose check out IronMagLabs or Blackstone labs Halo Elite 50mg dose. We are offering a free goodie bag with all AM orders. Just put AM in your order notes if you order from us.
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You seem to be over exaggerating the seriousness of epi which while an active steroid is a very mild one tried and true. While liver toxic, its not much worse than going out and drinking especially if you run it with a liver supp. I know and have read plenty of uneducated people who ran it without even liver support or pct and turned out perfectly fine, BUT YOU SHOULD NEVER DO THAT. 20mg is very low. I dosed it at 30mg straight for 6 weeks and experienced almost no sides. Agreed, that Halo is another good alternative and all those brands are good and reputable.
 
cutting cycle help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i need help on a good injectable cutting cycle.
6'3
230
20-25% bf
24yr old
im looking for ideas on a good cutting cycle mild and for a beginner. last cycle i ran was a msten cycle great strength and gains. but need to cut all this **** off. iv researched forums articles and alot of it seems to mix together and come with varied answers. so if i could get a good opion on a dry cutting stack that will yield awesome results. and leave me pretty defined not totally ripped but decent enough.. id appreciate all thoughts on the matter.
 
Joshlm69 said:
Don't go for Epi if scared about hairloss. Read countless logs saying Epi ruined their hair
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epi was fine on my hair. If you run 1-andro use a 4-dhea with it or FRL 5-alpha to combat lethargy. hairloss can be accelerated if you're prone to MPB with any PH run. You can try some shampoos like regenepure dr that block DHT but no guarantees.

I am logging the FRL alpha mass kit and gonna use an OTC pct. It's Been great so far and I'm in week 3. No shredding and no real sides.
Here is alpha mass
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Afi140 said:
epi was fine on my hair. If you run 1-andro use a 4-dhea with it or FRL 5-alpha to combat lethargy. hairloss can be accelerated if you're prone to MPB with any PH run. You can try some shampoos like regenepure dr that block DHT but no guarantees. I am logging the FRL alpha mass kit and gonna use an OTC pct. It's Been great so far and I'm in week 3. No shredding and no real sides. Here is alpha mass Invalid Link Removed And here is finaflex 1-andro Invalid Link Removed
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Each to their own man I'm not saying he will shed I'm just saying a hell of a lot of people had hair shedding with Epi.

For a mild run go for hdrol and nizoral shampoo
 
Joshlm69 said:
Each to their own man I'm not saying he will shed I'm just saying a hell of a lot of people had hair shedding with Epi. For a mild run go for hdrol and nizoral shampoo
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Agreed ;)
 
Sexykunt said:
You seem to be over exaggerating the seriousness of epi which while an active steroid is a very mild one tried and true. While liver toxic, its not much worse than going out and drinking especially if you run it with a liver supp. I know and have read plenty of uneducated people who ran it without even liver support or pct and turned out perfectly fine, BUT YOU SHOULD NEVER DO THAT. 20mg is very low. I dosed it at 30mg straight for 6 weeks and experienced almost no sides. Agreed, that Halo is another good alternative and all those brands are good and reputable.
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No I am not exaggerating, epi is a legit steroid. No methylated compound should be taken lightly. They are all hard on the body. Yeah it isn't any worse on the liver than a night of drinking but it is in your system nonstop for the length of the cycle. It will raise your enzymes out of normal range doesn't mean it is horrible but it is no joke. It has double the anabolic and androgenic rating of anavar or winstrol. 20 -30mg is usually plenty for solid gains if you got a quality product. Another issue with nonaromatizing orals is that they are really hard on the HDL and LDL cholesterol. Just always try to do your best to do things as safe as possible when running any steroid.
 
TGB1987 said:
No I am not exaggerating, epi is a legit steroid. No methylated compound should be taken lightly. They are all hard on the body. Yeah it isn't any worse on the liver than a night of drinking but it is in your system nonstop for the length of the cycle. It will raise your enzymes out of normal range doesn't mean it is horrible but it is no joke. It has double the anabolic and androgenic rating of anavar or winstrol. 20 -30mg is usually plenty for solid gains if you got a quality product. Another issue with nonaromatizing orals is that they are really hard on the HDL and LDL cholesterol. Just always try to do your best to do things as safe as possible when running any steroid.
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Run M1t or methyl tren and tell me what is legit. Epistane is a steroid, but it won't bend you over a desk and give you the sausage, that is if you take proper on cycle support and don't use excessive dosages. At least 30mg is recommended, unless you weigh 100lbs.
 
Would helladrol be easier on the hair? And my mom's dad was bald earlier but her brothers were not, and my head is full of hair. I'm just paranoid and am okay with being overly-cautious.
 
A steroid is a steroid. The potency per mg varies but they are going to build muscle and if they are methylated orals they are going to put some strain on the body. They are all dose relevant. For example 5mg of m1t isn't to harsh for most and will still produce results but bump it up to 30mg and you will gain like crazy if you can tolerate the side effects. Every compound will produce results if it is dosed right but it will also be harsher the higher the dose. epistane is not too bad at 20-30mg but if you run it at 100mg it is going to be very hard on you. The dose will vary and the tolerability of them also varies. Anavar is actually milder than epistane IMO. The anabolic rating is lower and requires a much higher dose than epistane to produce similar results. With that in mind IMO epistane is a legit steroid and will produce good results with low to moderate sides if Dosed moderately. No reason to push the dose higher if the op is running this for the first time.
 
gettingjacked said:
Would helladrol be easier on the hair? And my mom's dad was bald earlier but her brothers were not, and my head is full of hair. I'm just paranoid and am okay with being overly-cautious.
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Halodrol is 17a-methyl 4-enes (Testosterone based, though it doesn't metabolize to stronger DHT-based metabolites.) so it can effect hair if you are prone, but messing with any steroid could lead to the same results if it is in your genetics.

TGB1987 said:
A steroid is a steroid. The potency per mg varies but they are going to build muscle and if they are methylated orals they are going to put some strain on the body. They are all dose relevant. For example 5mg of m1t isn't to harsh for most and will still produce results but bump it up to 30mg and you will gain like crazy if you can tolerate the side effects. Every compound will produce results if it is dosed right but it will also be harsher the higher the dose. epistane is not too bad at 20-30mg but if you run it at 100mg it is going to be very hard on you. The dose will vary and the tolerability of them also varies. Anavar is actually milder than epistane IMO. The anabolic rating is lower and requires a much higher dose than epistane to produce similar results. With that in mind IMO epistane is a legit steroid and will produce good results with low to moderate sides if Dosed moderately. No reason to push the dose higher if the op is running this for the first time.
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Even if they aren't methylated they will put stress on the body. Dosage can vary on user, most find 40 to be the sweet spot, and some hyper responders might like 20mg or small guys. This guy is tall though and weighs 195, so starting at 30mg would be ideal. Will it be harsher than 20? Probably, but the gains to harshness ratio would be ideal at 30. Those anabolic/androgenic ratings are more or less inaccurate and only should be seen as a minor reference. 30 is not pushing anything, if you are going to do any steroids you need to use the best ratio of gains to sides/harshness.
 
gettingjacked said:
Would helladrol be easier on the hair? And my mom's dad was bald earlier but her brothers were not, and my head is full of hair. I'm just paranoid and am okay with being overly-cautious.
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MPB runs in my family although not extreme cases, and I ran Epi without any noticeable hair loss. Steroids affect everyone differently so take that as you may.
 
Agree with trying to find the best ratio of gains to sides but we have no idea what that dose is from one person to the next. The anabolic and androgenic is not always accurate or going show real world results but it is all we actually have as far as true guideline. There is no way to know what dose is best other than what we have seen with others. Everyone handles things differeny. Personally I think think it is best to
at 30mg or less on epi. If it is your first time taking a compound it is best to start at a mild dose and ease it up to where you feel comfortable and think you will get the most results with least sides. I think we are basically on the same page Abe. I am a little more cautious on my recommendations because I am a retailer that cares about my customers and their health. I would rather someone not gain as much than end up having side effects.
 
TGB1987 said:
Agree with trying to find the best ratio of gains to sides but we have no idea what that dose is from one person to the next. The anabolic and androgenic is not always accurate or going show real world results but it is all we actually have as far as true guideline. There is no way to know what dose is best other than what we have seen with others. Everyone handles things differeny. Personally I think think it is best to at 30mg or less on epi. If it is your first time taking a compound it is best to start at a mild dose and ease it up to where you feel comfortable and think you will get the most results with least sides. I think we are basically on the same page Abe. I am a little more cautious on my recommendations because I am a retailer that cares about my customers and their health. I would rather someone not gain as much than end up having side effects.
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30mg is a mild dose, I have not heard of people having any issues with it, so I agree on that. For a first time user 30mg should be fine, but I'm not going to say higher doses does not have a place for advanced users. And I can see you are a retailer and I am not, though that doesn't mean I don't care about the ops health. I'd rather have him dose it at an appropriate dose where gains and risk hit equilibrium, as to get the most out of their time/money. Side effects come with steroids and even if you have cycle support you can still have them, so if they aren't prepared for the consequences stay natural.
 
epi seems milder overall than halo but halo seems better for hair overall..for something like those 2 i would try out dianadrol by celtic labs. its quite dry and seems mild on hair etc but is more feel good than mostly anything.
 
Dymethazine said:
epi seems milder overall than halo but halo seems better for hair overall..for something like those 2 i would try out dianadrol by celtic labs. its quite dry and seems mild on hair etc but is more feel good than mostly anything.
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Never had any issues with hair loss from an Epi cycle ..... but as its been said already, we are all different and if you are already prone to hair loss then playing with hormones could easily expedite this process.

No biggie ..... some women find bald men with muscles attractive from what I hear ;)
 
Dymethazine said:
epi seems milder overall than halo but halo seems better for hair overall..for something like those 2 i would try out dianadrol by celtic labs. its quite dry and seems mild on hair etc but is more feel good than mostly anything.
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is it better on the hair than halo?
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Epistane is Dht derived so I'd say no. It has a androgenic level of 95 and halodrol is 28, but those are just for reference not set rules.
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I was actually referring to Dianadrol :).

is there a website which quotes the androgenic level of different PH compounds? What is the mildest one possible?
 
Joshlm69 said:
I was actually referring to Dianadrol :). is there a website which quotes the androgenic level of different PH compounds? What is the mildest one possible?
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Oh my bad man!

I have not found one site that has all of them, I just research each compound separately. Mild on androgenic level? Hexadrone is but it is pretty weak.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Oh my bad man!

I have not found one site that has all of them, I just research each compound separately. Mild on androgenic level? Hexadrone is but it is pretty weak.
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Any chance youd be able to have a quick scope for Dianadrol by celtic labs?

17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-1,4-androstadien-3-hydroxyimine is the compound
 
Joshlm69 said:
Any chance youd be able to have a quick scope for Dianadrol by celtic labs? 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-1,4-androstadien-3-hydroxyimine is the compound
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It is test based and it is dbol with added on oxime on the end. So generally I'd look at dbol ratio for andro which is 40-60 and assume it could be between 20-40, but the oxime on the end can change it dramatically so this is just an estimate.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
It is test based and it is dbol with added on oxime on the end. So generally I'd look at dbol ratio for andro which is 40-60 and assume it could be between 20-40, but the oxime on the end can change it dramatically so this is just an estimate.
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change it for higher or lower androgenic level?
 
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