Beginner/intermediate cycles

OldEmpireGains

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Older lifter. 40yo been lifting 20+ years.

Never did gear until test levels dropped 2-3 years ago. Got a script and started trt. Game changer.


3 Cycles since then

400 test + ancillaries
600 test + ancillary
500 test + anavar

All super smooth except joint pain and injuries. Last one was the best due to changes in training.

5'8
195-205 depending on carb load.
13-16% abs show just not bodybuilder. More like a lean strength athlete.

Goals are strength, performance, recovery. Trying to get back to my natural strength peak and build. Best numbers were a 405 bench, 600 squat, 585 deadlift, 225 standing military and 275 seated. I would like to beat all those numbers and be more functional. I was 250lb when I git those probably 10+ years ago.

A lot of mma, so endurance is important. Dont want to blast anadrol and tren and have my tendons explode and die at 50.


Thoughts: keeping total mg lower since I seem to respond well. Was thinking on instead of adding to 600 if test, start lower doses of other compounds a d keep total androgen load in the 500-800 range
Test/npp
Test/mast
test/eq

Or the combination approach
Test/mast/npp
Test/deca/eq

Anavar can be added to each. Will normally have some peps in the mix.


Labs/bp monitoring/supports always in check.

Thoughts? Theories? Suggestions?
 
First off welcome to the forum….Test/Mast/NPP would be a good cycle for you. You could go Test 400, Mast 200, and NPP 200. The Mast should help with estrogen as well. Still have an AI on hand, just in case, and maybe get some SNS Inhibit P or P5P to help with the potential of increased prolactin from NPP. Although at 200 I doubt you will have any issues. NPP might help your joints, and I would recommend Apex Alchemy Helios (transdermal tetrahydro-curcumin). I rub it on my joints, and it’s great. I would start the P5P or Inhibit P about 2 weeks early to get into your system. Oh and you’re not old brother, I’m 62 and still going strong.💪😎👍
 
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I agree on the catastrophic tendon rupture....I want to avoid that if possible

I got a script for anavar. I havent tried UGL yet. And deca. Havent ran the deca yet. Anavar was fucking stupid good. I never tried to max but I was hitting sets of 20 on bench wirh 225 after rolling. I had to dial it back so I wouldn't get injured again. Walked around looking pumped and veiny. I responded very well to it. So it will definitely be in future cycles. I only ran it 3 weeks to feel it out and man did I like it.

Tb/bpc/gkh/kpv(all separate) and Cjc/ipam. And Kisspeptin and hcg.

Maybe low dose reta in the future?

Also looking into igf-lr3, mots-c, epitalon.


EQ/npp or EQ/deca peaks my interest...just a long commitment if I start getting anxiety sides from EQ. Having the test base would be a must. Thinking tryinf the 19-nor before EQ to see how I respond

The joint relief really peaks my interest, that and the slow build to avoid injury
 
OldEmpireGains said:
I agree on the catastrophic tendon rupture....I want to avoid that if possible

I got a script for anavar. I havent tried UGL yet. And deca. Havent ran the deca yet. Anavar was fucking stupid good. I never tried to max but I was hitting sets of 20 on bench wirh 225 after rolling. I had to dial it back so I wouldn't get injured again. Walked around looking pumped and veiny. I responded very well to it. So it will definitely be in future cycles. I only ran it 3 weeks to feel it out and man did I like it.

Tb/bpc/gkh/kpv(all separate) and Cjc/ipam. And Kisspeptin and hcg.

Maybe low dose reta in the future?

Also looking into igf-lr3, mots-c, epitalon.


EQ/npp or EQ/deca peaks my interest...just a long commitment if I start getting anxiety sides from EQ. Having the test base would be a must. Thinking tryinf the 19-nor before EQ to see how I respond

The joint relief really peaks my interest, that and the slow build to avoid injury
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I think sadfit009 is either a bot or someone pushing gear sources and non sponsor RC/Peptides. If he's not, he may want to remove the sources before thor shows up with the ban hammer
 
So far that test/mast/npp sounds good

Starting test cyp/mast p for 2-4weeks. Run labs then adding npp after that.

If that goes well then considering another cycle with mast enan/deca could be considered if it goals well
 
Not sure if you have ever ran Trest, but that’s another good one you could run with Test and Mast that’s great for strength. And you can get great results at much lower doses than NPP or Deca because Trest is so anabolic. But with Trest you just want to be aware of the possible sides of elevated prolactin and estrogen. Again you need an AI and at least P5P or SNS Inhibit P. Maybe even have Caber on hand for prolactin just in case. I’m one of the lucky ones that really doesn’t get the sides that bad, and usually only need a little AI and the P5P and I’m good. Trest is very strong though, and you get a lot out of a little. So in a future cycle, after you have ran the Test/Mast/NPP, had a good PCT, and have been off a few months and blood work is good, you could remove the NPP or Deca and then go….

12 - 16 weeks

Test 400-500
Mast 200-400
Trest 75-100

I would start at 75 and see how it goes for 4 to 8 weeks before increasing to 100 the last 4 to 8 weeks.
 
Ive looked into a trest, and I looked awesome. I was honestly thinking of that as "tren" alternative after nandrolone.

I haven't really teased out how a cycle would look.

I think you just threw me a curve ball haha!

How is it on joints?
 
maybe I'll have to wait on that mast part of the cycle. Been seeing more about there being no actual mast on the market and it's going to take a minute for it to come back around
 
Man, protecting those tendons needs to be priority number one. Muscle strength can shoot up faster than connective tissue adapts.
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I think sadfit009 is either a bot or someone pushing gear sources and non sponsor RC/Peptides. If he's not, he may want to remove the sources before thor shows up with the ban hammer
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OldEmpireGains said:
Older lifter. 40yo been lifting 20+ years.

Never did gear until test levels dropped 2-3 years ago. Got a script and started trt. Game changer.


3 Cycles since then

400 test + ancillaries
600 test + ancillary
500 test + anavar

All super smooth except joint pain and injuries. Last one was the best due to changes in training.

5'8
195-205 depending on carb load.
13-16% abs show just not bodybuilder. More like a lean strength athlete.

Goals are strength, performance, recovery. Trying to get back to my natural strength peak and build. Best numbers were a 405 bench, 600 squat, 585 deadlift, 225 standing military and 275 seated. I would like to beat all those numbers and be more functional. I was 250lb when I git those probably 10+ years ago.

A lot of mma, so endurance is important. Dont want to blast anadrol and tren and have my tendons explode and die at 50.


Thoughts: keeping total mg lower since I seem to respond well. Was thinking on instead of adding to 600 if test, start lower doses of other compounds a d keep total androgen load in the 500-800 range
Test/npp
Test/mast
test/eq

Or the combination approach
Test/mast/npp
Test/deca/eq

Anavar can be added to each. Will normally have some peps in the mix.


Labs/bp monitoring/supports always in check.

Thoughts? Theories? Suggestions?
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Respect for putting long term performance ahead of just adding more compounds
 
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