Been out of the "prohormone" game forever. Need advice

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I'm getting tired of bitcoin, and the IRS is making it annoying to use to purchase steroids anymore. I've got about 9 bottles of deca left and I'm looking to see if any UK based company's are still legit for things like Epi, M1T, SD, DMZ, or the like. Predator Nutrition sells Havoc supposedly. Are they legit or just reselling old bottles filled with sugar pills?

Also is Radian Nutrition legit? They have M1T. So excites me

Then there's Vicious Labs that I see here that has DMZ Which excites me too... But out of stock it would seem.

Anyone able to help an old head out in supplementing his TRT? I haven't been on this forum in like 9 years
 
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We cannot help you as it’s against the forum rules. Can’t talk about sources here sir
 

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We cannot help you as it’s against the forum rules. Can’t talk about sources here sir
Ah, I assume that's a different part of the forum? If that's the case I can delete this and move it
 
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We cannot help you as it’s against the forum rules. Can’t talk about sources here sir
hes fine asking about actual companies bro. It’s UGL source talk that isn’t allowed. Brands etc are fine.

OP - in the uk:

predator - generally legit. Had a issue with some bunk SDrol a few years back but on the whole they are sound. I don’t know if it’s still the case but at one time I think they had the exclusive rights to produce havoc so you had to get it from their. I’ve run it 2-3 years ago and it was fine.

JW supplements again normally legit

german pharma as a brand (sold in a few places in the uk) is one I’ve used a bit before and would be confident in.

not sure on radian personally (as in I’ve not used). Again I’ve not used vicious labs but think I’ve seen a number of the guys on AM say it’s legit
 

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hes fine asking about actual companies bro. It’s UGL source talk that isn’t allowed. Brands etc are fine.

OP - in the uk:

predator - generally legit. Had a issue with some bunk SDrol a few years back but on the whole they are sound. I don’t know if it’s still the case but at one time I think they had the exclusive rights to produce havoc so you had to get it from their. I’ve run it 2-3 years ago and it was fine.

JW supplements again normally legit

german pharma as a brand (sold in a few places in the uk) is one I’ve used a bit before and would be confident in.

not sure on radian personally (as in I’ve not used). Again I’ve not used vicious labs but think I’ve seen a number of the guys on AM say it’s legit
I'm mostly horny for epi, so that's good to know about predator. Epi was my first cycle 11 years ago lol
 
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I'm mostly horny for epi, so that's good to know about predator. Epi was my first cycle 11 years ago lol
yeah it’s pretty solid as a compound. Dryness seems to be the worst side but I used trest with it and felt amazing throughout. Aside from test and deca that was probably the best I’ve ever felt on a cycle
 

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yeah it’s pretty solid as a compound. Dryness seems to be the worst side but I used trest with it and felt amazing throughout. Aside from test and deca that was probably the best I’ve ever felt on a cycle
I'd have to agree, epi is the best I've ever felt. Besides Sdrol that is. Something about orals, my body loves them. No mater the test dose, no mater what other injectable I run, I always feel 10x better running an oral with trt doses of test. I tend to run my orals for long cycles too though, 8 weeks minimum with a preferred 12 weeks no matter the compound.
 
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Vicious Labs has Ogre left which is M1A and it’s a amazing product. I’ve ran it before and just ordered 2 more bottles.
‘They have a 50% off deal now too since he is leaving the PH game so its the time to stock up
 

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Vicious Labs has Ogre left which is M1A and it’s a amazing product. I’ve ran it before and just ordered 2 more bottles.
‘They have a 50% off deal now too since he is leaving the PH game so its the time to stock up
I was wondering why he was out of pretty much everything lol I really wanted some DMZ from them
 
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Not sure how old you are but if you haven’t used orals in a few years, they generally get harder on the body with age. Not saying it’s not worth it; just wouldn’t load up on the first order if you haven’t used any lately. You don’t want to stock up for years and realize you can’t handle M1T like you could a decade ago.

Orals are the worst for your longterm heart health. I respect doing what you need when it’s time to blast, using them for 2-3 months if it’s what it takes for your goals, but realize if you are older and spending 6 months a year on orals you are really driving atherosclerosis hard.
 

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Not sure how old you are but if you haven’t used orals in a few years, they generally get harder on the body with age. Not saying it’s not worth it; just wouldn’t load up on the first order if you haven’t used any lately. You don’t want to stock up for years and realize you can’t handle M1T like you could a decade ago.

Orals are the worst for your longterm heart health. I respect doing what you need when it’s time to blast, using them for 2-3 months if it’s what it takes for your goals, but realize if you are older and spending 6 months a year on orals you are really driving atherosclerosis hard.
I'm only 30 lol so I'm no spring chicken, but I ain't a mcdonald's chicken nugget yet.

I've just not been on this forum for a very long time once PS and DS got harder to get, I just started using UGLs and doing injectables.

I usually pick an oral and stay with it for the year and run multiple cycles. But I ordered WAY too much Sdrol powder once and so I was using exclusively that for like 3 years haha. With some spare Dbol and Sdrol I had lying around... Still have some Mtren powder that I've wisely kept in powder form so I don't use it

That being said, getting DS from the UK with a credit card is looking more and more appealing now that the IRS is getting it's damn nose in BTC and I've gotta fill out tax forms just to buy steroids.

And just to easy your mind, I get regular blood work, and check ups on all my veins and blood pump bits
 

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Radian has been legit for me in the past, but I’ve heard a few people talk about getting bunk batches of SD from them recently, so I would tread carefully.

Methyl-1-Alpha, Methylstenbolone and DMZ are definitely the three strongest left available domestically. Ment/trest can be found with some detective work as well. You can find all of those compounds in the states if you’re looking in the right place.

I’ve even seen a few state side sources selling Epistane, trenavar and some other old ph’s.

What are your goals for the cycle? If you’re doing the typical bulking cycle I’d do something like an M1A run @ 40mg ED or Msten run @ 20-30mg ED.

VL is a great source when they have stock. Their ph’s seem to hit me quicker and harder compared to other sources.
 
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Radian has been legit for me in the past, but I’ve heard a few people talk about getting bunk batched of SD from them recently, so I would tread carefully.

Methyl-1-Alpha, Methylstenbolone and DMZ are definitely the three strongest left available domestically. Ment/trest can be found with some detective work as well. You can find all of those compounds in the states if you’re looking in the right place.

I’ve even seen a few state side sources selling Epistane, trenavar and some other old ph’s.

What are your goals for the cycle? If you’re doing the typical bulking cycle if I were you I’d do an M1A run @ 40mg ED or Msten run @ 20-30mg ED.

VL is a great source when they have stock.
Bunk SD victim right here, got the m1t and that i cannot say for sure as i was running test aswell but i didnt get anything super dramatic in terms off side effects or desired effects, it was honestly 50/50 for me but the SD was 100% rice flour, did absolutely nothing for me
 

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Radian has been legit for me in the past, but I’ve heard a few people talk about getting bunk batched of SD from them recently, so I would tread carefully.

Methyl-1-Alpha, Methylstenbolone and DMZ are definitely the three strongest left available domestically. Ment/trest can be found with some detective work as well. You can find all of those compounds in the states if you’re looking in the right place.

I’ve even seen a few state side sources selling Epistane, trenavar and some other old ph’s.

What are your goals for the cycle? If you’re doing the typical bulking cycle if I were you I’d do an M1A run @ 40mg ED or Msten run @ 20-30mg ED.

VL is a great source when they have stock.
I don't really have any particular goal currently, just the normal "get bigger/stronger", but with quarantine. Mostly just learning where to get what for when I do want a little fun.
 

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Bunk SD victim right here, got the m1t and that i cannot say for sure as i was running test aswell but i didnt get anything super dramatic in terms off side effects or desired effects, it was honestly 50/50 for me but the SD was 100% rice flour, did absolutely nothing for me
I got a bunk batch of cialis once like that. Source demanded proof because I was totally lying... So I sent a video with me ripping open a bag of his stuff dumping about 3 grams of his "cialis" in my mouth, and did it publicly because he said I lied. Poor fella
 
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I got a bunk batch of cialis once like that. Source demanded proof because I was totally lying... So I sent a video with me ripping open a bag of his stuff dumping about 3 grams of his "cialis" in my mouth, and did it publicly because he said I lied. Poor fella
... and it turned out to be real, you now have a hole in your mattress to sleep on your front
 
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I'm only 30 lol so I'm no spring chicken, but I ain't a mcdonald's chicken nugget yet.

I've just not been on this forum for a very long time once PS and DS got harder to get, I just started using UGLs and doing injectables.

I usually pick an oral and stay with it for the year and run multiple cycles. But I ordered WAY too much Sdrol powder once and so I was using exclusively that for like 3 years haha. With some spare Dbol and Sdrol I had lying around... Still have some Mtren powder that I've wisely kept in powder form so I don't use it

That being said, getting DS from the UK with a credit card is looking more and more appealing now that the IRS is getting it's damn nose in BTC and I've gotta fill out tax forms just to buy steroids.

And just to easy your mind, I get regular blood work, and check ups on all my veins and blood pump bits
You’d need a calcium score to see plaque buildup in the arteries, but if your lipids are usually shot from frequent oral use it’s a safe bet things are getting worse over time. Just something to consider.

I’m 30 too and actually spent about 8 years just doing orals and transdermals, but I finally went to oil the last year and it was night and day better. I really don’t see how I could have made the recent progress I did or the potential ahead without pinning. Once you take the max dose of orals you can handle...where can you go from there? I mean going from oils to just TRT and some orals is basically a regression. And for the record, I have never used anything other than cash and domestic-sourced gear. It’s out there if you can meet the right gym rats.
 

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... and it turned out to be real, you now have a hole in your mattress to sleep on your front
That did cross my mind right after I did it haha. "Wait, am I about to die?"... As a cialis connoisseur, it felt like a 30-40mg dose though, so luckily I got the boner and also didn't die
 

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You’d need a calcium score to see plaque buildup in the arteries, but if your lipids are usually shot from frequent oral use it’s a safe bet things are getting worse over time. Just something to consider.

I’m 30 too and actually spent about 8 years just doing orals and transdermals, but I finally went to oil the last year and it was night and day better. I really don’t see how I could have made the recent progress I did or the potential ahead without pinning. Once you take the max dose of orals you can handle...where can you go from there? I mean going from oils to just TRT and some orals is basically a regression. And for the record, I have never used anything other than cash and domestic-sourced gear. It’s out there if you can meet the right gym rats.
Well it's not like I'm a 300lb monster, so there isn't any regression happening here. Unless your hilariously over your genetic limit, being on a higher than average trt dose will still pop you well above your genetic limit, then add in orals a few times a year and your golden.

That being said I do believe that orals only will only take you so far, not because they stop being effective. But because you'll spend far too much time shut down or in a PCT to make any useful progress.

Most of my friends have gone from stupid blasts to old man steroid use already, so I'm joining the boat. Buddy last year went for his 2000lb total on 250mg test and 600mg deca... Also, I'm not into buying in person anymore, I used to be a drug dealer and it's just not something I want to get comfortable doing again... Old habits and all
 
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Well it's not like I'm a 300lb monster, so there isn't any regression happening here. Unless your hilariously over your genetic limit, being on a higher than average trt dose will still pop you well above your genetic limit, then add in orals a few times a year and your golden.

That being said I do believe that orals only will only take you so far, not because they stop being effective. But because you'll spend far too much time shut down or in a PCT to make any useful progress.

Most of my friends have gone from stupid blasts to old man steroid use already, so I'm joining the boat. Buddy last year went for his 2000lb total on 250mg test and 600mg deca... Also, I'm not into buying in person anymore, I used to be a drug dealer and it's just not something I want to get comfortable doing again... Old habits and all
I can respect not putting yourself into trigger situations - that’s a wise decision.

But you’re also illustrating my point. Your buddy was using 850mg of oil/wk and it was a breeze on his body. That’s pretty different than the health effects of popping a month of M1T or a couple months of epistane 3x a year on your TRT. And combining them is really where the progress would be made.

Anyway, if you are happy with your path I am happy. I just wanted to share my vantage from the other side - my drugs have built with my age and size progressively and I feel oil will be even more important in the next decade than orals, and that I am just getting going.
 
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I can respect not putting yourself into trigger situations - that’s a wise decision.

But you’re also illustrating my point. Your buddy was using 850mg of oil/wk and it was a breeze on his body. That’s pretty different than the health effects of popping a month of M1T or a couple months of epistane 3x a year on your TRT. And combining them is really where the progress would be made.

Anyway, if you are happy with your path I am happy. I just wanted to share my vantage from the other side - my drugs have built with my age and size progressively and I feel oil will be even more important in the next decade than orals, and that I am just getting going.
i 1st started using harsh ph's around 20 years ago when all the good stuff was legal and easy to get. now at 62 i feel really blessed to be in great shape with good labs...but i won't be messing with harsh orals any longer.
 

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I can respect not putting yourself into trigger situations - that’s a wise decision.

But you’re also illustrating my point. Your buddy was using 850mg of oil/wk and it was a breeze on his body. That’s pretty different than the health effects of popping a month of M1T or a couple months of epistane 3x a year on your TRT. And combining them is really where the progress would be made.

Anyway, if you are happy with your path I am happy. I just wanted to share my vantage from the other side - my drugs have built with my age and size progressively and I feel oil will be even more important in the next decade than orals, and that I am just getting going.
I do understand where your coming from. I figure if some steroids are my only vice in this world these days I'm still ahead of most people that drink and over eat lol.... Maybe if I could ever convince a doctor in my area to prescribe me cycles I'll stop using orals, but I'm not spending hundreds a month on the anti aging clinics around me yet. I ain't rich
 
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I do understand where your coming from. I figure if some steroids are my only vice in this world these days I'm still ahead of most people that drink and over eat lol.... Maybe if I could ever convince a doctor in my area to prescribe me cycles I'll stop using orals, but I'm not spending hundreds a month on the anti aging clinics around me yet. I ain't rich
Yeah that’s kind of the caveat isn’t it. Some places will give you 400+ total mg of test & deca and get you scripts for HGH, Var & Winny. But you gotta trade your left nut, a second mortgage and your firstborn child for it!

And taking Var and Winny from a pharmacy isn’t really safer than from a UGL. Worst case your Var ends up as Winny and your Winny ends up Dbol

Anyway, if I can be of any help lmk. I think stores like power myself and predator were mentioned as decent UK shops. Once Vicious sells out of M1A they’re done with designers. Behemoth & PureRawz are g2g generally & have Msten, DMZ, Halodrol, Tvar, Epistane. Mike Arnold has super reliable SARMs & RCs, and Supreme Labs has a good offering of oil-based and capsule SARMs.

I believe I can say all of this since they are RCs or supplement shops. None of that is UGL/actual source stuff, and many are board sponsors.
 

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Yeah that’s kind of the caveat isn’t it. Some places will give you 400+ total mg of test & deca and get you scripts for HGH, Var & Winny. But you gotta trade your left nut, a second mortgage and your firstborn child for it!

And taking Var and Winny from a pharmacy isn’t really safer than from a UGL. Worst case your Var ends up as Winny and your Winny ends up Dbol

Anyway, if I can be of any help lmk. I think stores like power myself and predator were mentioned as decent UK shops. Once Vicious sells out of M1A they’re done with designers. Behemoth & PureRawz are g2g generally & have Msten, DMZ, Halodrol, Tvar, Epistane. Mike Arnold has super reliable SARMs & RCs, and Supreme Labs has a good offering of oil-based and capsule SARMs.

I believe I can say all of this since they are RCs or supplement shops. None of that is UGL/actual source stuff, and many are board sponsors.
Haha exactly, hell I felt lucky that I found a place to give me a shitty 100mg a week for 120 bucks a month, and options to go higher. Everywhere else starts at like $250

I'll probably end up getting a bunch of Havoc from predator, and maybe some DMZ raws down the line.

When you say "power myself and predator", do you mean to say your a part of a site that sells hormones? Or am I just reading it weird lol
 
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Haha exactly, hell I felt lucky that I found a place to give me a shitty 100mg a week for 120 bucks a month, and options to go higher. Everywhere else starts at like $250

I'll probably end up getting a bunch of Havoc from predator, and maybe some DMZ raws down the line.

When you say "power myself and predator", do you mean to say your a part of a site that sells hormones? Or am I just reading it weird lol
No those are two major shops in the UK for otc designers
 
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Haha exactly, hell I felt lucky that I found a place to give me a shitty 100mg a week for 120 bucks a month, and options to go higher. Everywhere else starts at like $250

I'll probably end up getting a bunch of Havoc from predator, and maybe some DMZ raws down the line.

When you say "power myself and predator", do you mean to say your a part of a site that sells hormones? Or am I just reading it weird lol
My personal advice (because of things I've seen the past couple of years) is to buy one or 2 Havoc first (and try them) before stocking up.

.... Don't want to get stuck with bad product.
 
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My personal advice (because of things I've seen the past couple of years) is to buy one or 2 Havoc first (and try them) before stocking up.

.... Don't want to get stuck with bad product.
especially with havoc as it’s easy to tell from the surfer smell
 
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I think Predator also has IBE Epistane. I don't like Predator personally, but for a bit other reasons than that they would sell bunk frequently.

Power myself has been my go to for a few years. I think they have Brawn Epi if my memory serves me right. Brawn is a solid brand in general, but have not used or heard anything about their Epi.

Then there's JW Supplement from UK also.
 

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My personal advice (because of things I've seen the past couple of years) is to buy one or 2 Havoc first (and try them) before stocking up.

.... Don't want to get stuck with bad product.
Yeah that's true, smart idea
 
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Haha funny you mention that, I can still remember cracking open my first bottle
First cycle was 30mg Epistane for a month. Gained 7lbs, got leaner, and pumps and strength were obvious. I had moved out recently so my mom no longer saw me daily, and when she got a look at me one day near the end of the run in a tank top she flat out asked me, “Are you on steroids??”
 
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First cycle was 30mg Epistane for a month. Gained 7lbs, got leaner, and pumps and strength were obvious. I had moved out recently so my mom no longer saw me daily, and when she got a look at me one day near the end of the run in a tank top she flat out asked me, “Are you on steroids??”
And while holding back a grin from feeling good about yourself you replied "No ma, but thanks for asking". 😉
 
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And while holding back a grin from feeling good about yourself you replied "No ma, but thanks for asking".
Lol I flat out told her “Yep”. I had a good job and my own place and wasn’t going to take **** from anyone! 🤣🤣🤣
 

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First cycle was 30mg Epistane for a month. Gained 7lbs, got leaner, and pumps and strength were obvious. I had moved out recently so my mom no longer saw me daily, and when she got a look at me one day near the end of the run in a tank top she flat out asked me, “Are you on steroids??”
Haha nice! Such a nice feeling when that happens
 
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Body shock also has epi from brawn, more active ingredient for less money and a more reputable source going with brawn. Pred has a checkered past
 
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I think Predator also has IBE Epistane. I don't like Predator personally, but for a bit other reasons than that they would sell bunk frequently.

Power myself has been my go to for a few years. I think they have Brawn Epi if my memory serves me right. Brawn is a solid brand in general, but have not used or heard anything about their Epi.

Then there's JW Supplement from UK also.
Soooo any idea if the IBE Epistane that Predator sells is the real deal or potentially bunk?
 
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Soooo any idea if the IBE Epistane that Predator sells is the real deal or potentially bunk?
No idea. They say on their website: "Licensed exclusively to Predator Nutrition", which I find kind of odd. Then there are the praising customer reviews that I think are mostly bs/fake throughout their whole website..
 
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No idea. They say on their website: "Licensed exclusively to Predator Nutrition", which I find kind of odd. Then there are the praising customer reviews that I think are mostly bs/fake throughout their whole website..
Some of Pred's "Licensed Exclusively to Predator Nutrition" stuff has turned out bunk in the past.

... But that doesn't necessarily mean this is.
I have no idea.

I just personally choose not to use them, or send any more guys their way.

If you sell bunk, and don't stand behind it .... You're Out, in my book.
 
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Some of Pred's "Licensed Exclusively to Predator Nutrition" stuff has turned out bunk in the past.

... But that doesn't necessarily mean this is.
I have no idea.

I just personally choose not to use them, or send any more guys their way.

If you sell bunk, and don't stand behind it .... You're Out, in my book.
exactly my thought. I stopped after they refused to exchange the bunk sdrol they sold (they knew it was bunk as they pulled it ducking quick).
I was on the top tier of their loyalty program at the time as well....
 

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exactly my thought. I stopped after they refused to exchange the bunk sdrol they sold (they knew it was bunk as they pulled it ducking quick).
I was on the top tier of their loyalty program at the time as well....
Well this thread suddenly made me not want to try getting that Havoc they have on the website haha... Probably still will though, I loved that stuff, and I've wasted more money on dumber things
 
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exactly my thought. I stopped after they refused to exchange the bunk sdrol they sold (they knew it was bunk as they pulled it ducking quick).
I was on the top tier of their loyalty program at the time as well....
That sucks.

That's just Dirty, man.

I used to send them a LOT of business.
But since then, I sent Zero, Zip, Nada.
 
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Well this thread suddenly made me not want to try getting that Havoc they have on the website haha... Probably still will though, I loved that stuff, and I've wasted more money on dumber things
that was the only issue I ever had bro, everything else was legit and I don’t believe they did it intentionally at all....but as @Renew1 said you’ve gotta stand behind your brand and make that **** right for your customers on the odd occasion it happens
 

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that was the only issue I ever had bro, everything else was legit and I don’t believe they did it intentionally at all....but as @Renew1 said you’ve gotta stand behind your brand and make that **** right for your customers on the odd occasion it happens
Yeah, kinda sketchy to pull that ****. But it's not like an UGL where they don't sell other stuff and can afford to lose a chunk of customers. Their protein powder is gonna offset any loses.
 

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