BCAA's, OIL'S, and VITAMIN's

K so with webMDs help i was able to convince my dad to let me take my whey and glutamine yesterday and also my bet alenine which ran out completely yesterday... he said no to the BCAA's for some reason but i think its just some kinda retarded dominance thing... i felt affected tho cuz my workout seemed alot harder than it usually is... any thoughts on how it will affect me if i dont take B-alenine and BCAAS for three more weeks?
 
bi0hazurd said:
K so with webMDs help i was able to convince my dad to let me take my whey and glutamine yesterday and also my bet alenine which ran out completely yesterday... he said no to the BCAA's for some reason but i think its just some kinda retarded dominance thing... i felt affected tho cuz my workout seemed alot harder than it usually is... any thoughts on how it will affect me if i dont take B-alenine and BCAAS for three more weeks?
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Try to trade the Glutamine for the BCAAs. Glutmaine, orally, is useless.
 
How important is bcaa supplementation? I mean ive gone through a few different ones but is it absolutely necessary to supp? From what ive read a suggested amount a day would be around 20-40 grams, 2 shakes and you got 10g plus any protein food. There isnt even any conclusive research that proves any benefit of additional supp. I also found this:


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AntonG42O said:
How important is bcaa supplementation? I mean ive gone through a few different ones but is it absolutely necessary to supp? From what ive read a suggested amount a day would be around 20-40 grams, 2 shakes and you got 10g plus any protein food. There isnt even any conclusive research that proves any benefit of additional supp. I also found this:


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Look at some of the studies that they use for their citations. They're completely irrelevant to the type of training for this type of use. Also, some of them include trytophan in addition to the BCAA (they compete for each others absorption). Leucine is the anabolic trigger and taking it in free-form has a different action than taking it peptide-bound.
 
lol wish i woulda known that for my workout last night lol... what do u think about my loss of beta- alenine.... will i notice a huge diff? ive only been taking it for about 2-3 weeks
 
yeah im still not convinced. i wanna see double blind studies directly showing me that supplementing with BCAA will yield greater results/levels rather than just eating a protein rich diet. the research on leucine is definitely interesting, but the fact still remains that these aminos are all in food already. the anti-catabolic effects of supp BCAA are probably the most beneficial especially during periods of fasting, but if you can just eat just as much in a form of food..
 
I feel like they are using some relevant sources, no?

1. Blomstrand E, Ek S, Newsholme EA. Influence of ingesting a solution of
branched-chain amino acids on plasma and muscle concentrations of amino acids
during prolonged submaximal exercise. Nutrition 1996;12:485–90.
2. MacLean DA, Graham TE, Satlin B. Branched-chain amino acids augment
ammonia metabolism while attenuating protein breakdown during exercise. Am J
Physiol 1994;267:E1010–22.
3. Kelly GS. Sports nutrition: A review of selected nutritional supplements for
bodybuilders and strength athletes. Med Rev 1997;2:184–201.
4. Van Hall G, Raaymakers JSH, Saris WHM, Wagenmakers AJM.
Supplementation with branched-chain amino acids (BCAA) and tryptophan has no
effect on performance during prolonged exercise. Clin Sci 1994;87:52 [abstract
#75].
5. Blomstrand E, Hassmen P, Ek S, et al. Influence of ingesting a solution of
branched-chain amino acids on perceived exertion during exercise. Acta Physiol
Scand 1997;159:41–49.
6. Van Hall G, Rasymakers JSH, Saris WHM, Wagenmakers AJM.
Supplementation with branched-chain amino acids (BCAA) and tryptophan has no
effect on performance during prolonged exercise. Clin Sci 1994;87:52 [abstract
#75].
7. Madsen K, MacLean DA, Kiens B, et al. Effects of glucose, glucose plus
branched-chain amino acids, or placebo on bike performance over 100 km. J Appl
Physiol 1996;
13. Blomstrand E, Hassmen P, Ek S, et al. Influence of ingesting a solution of
branched-chain amino acids on perceived exertion during exercise. Acta Physiol
Scand 1997;159:41–49.
14. Blomstrand E, Hassmen P, Ekblom B, et al. Administration of branched-chain
amino acids during sustained exercise—effects on performance and on plasma
concentration of some amino acids
19. Mourier A, Gautier JF, De Kerviler E, et al. Mobilization of visceral adipose
tissue related to the improvement in insulin sensitivity in response to physical
training in NIDDM. Effects of branched-chain amino acid supplements.
 
AntonG42O said:
yeah im still not convinced. i wanna see double blind studies directly showing me that supplementing with BCAA will yield greater results/levels rather than just eating a protein rich diet. the research on leucine is definitely interesting, but the fact still remains that these aminos are all in food already. the anti-catabolic effects of supp BCAA are probably the most beneficial especially during periods of fasting, but if you can just eat just as much in a form of food..
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You just contradicted yourself.

Also, the research on BCAA, for the most part, is either really dated or completely irrelevant to our usage.
 
bi0hazurd said:
thanks bro and i appreciate the help im gonna go witht the flaxseed gel capsules from vitaminshoppe cuz theyre cheap lol... ill look up the xtend now but as far as BCAA's do u kno of any good brands that are flavorless so i can just throw it in with my creatine whey and glutamine shake?
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yeah you can get them from that custom protein site for like $20/lb, will last you a long long time at 10-15g/workout

they don't taste bad either...
 
Rodja said:
You just contradicted yourself.

Also, the research on BCAA, for the most part, is either really dated or completely irrelevant to our usage.
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No YOU just contradicted yourself. The research for the supplement that you are wholeheartedly supporting is really dated or completely irrelevant to our usage? Then where is the proof that supplementing with BCAA powder will yield any results or provide any benefits over eating protein rich foods??????

What I originally said was that the only time BCAA supplementation makes any sense is during periods of fasting, when FOOD isnt available. So if there is protein rich food available = BCAA powder is useless. Im not looking into supplements that will get me through a shortage of food or a bad eating day, Im looking for supplements that are truly essential and cant be found in regular protein rich food. No contradiction here - eat tons of protein rich food and your daily requirement for BCAA will be met.

You are so quick to try to point out a flaw in someones arguement, hoping to impress everyone with your superior knowledge of all topics. get over yourself and just post a response without a witty comment.
 
AntonG42O said:
No YOU just contradicted yourself. The research for the supplement that you are wholeheartedly supporting is really dated or completely irrelevant to our usage? Then where is the proof that supplementing with BCAA powder will yield any results or provide any benefits over eating protein rich foods??????

What I originally said was that the only time BCAA supplementation makes any sense is during periods of fasting, when FOOD isnt available. So if there is protein rich food available = BCAA powder is useless. Im not looking into supplements that will get me through a shortage of food or a bad eating day, Im looking for supplements that are truly essential and cant be found in regular protein rich food. No contradiction here - eat tons of protein rich food and your daily requirement for BCAA will be met.

You are so quick to try to point out a flaw in someones arguement, hoping to impress everyone with your superior knowledge of all topics. get over yourself and just post a response without a witty comment.
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You cannot be interested in the research in leucine and discount the usage of BCAA; that's a complete contradiction.

There is a reason I said MOST of the research. I'm not going to spend several hours on MedLine or PubMed just for a post on here. I was simply disproving your review regarding BCAAs because many of the studies are completely irrelevant to usage common to us.

Certain amino-acids are best taken solo or conjunction with other similar aminos. They each have a specific use and the use for leucine is to activate protein synthesis; isoleucine is a metabolite of leucine that can be converted to Acetyl CoA; valine has stimulant activity.

Instead of attacking me personally, it would be better if you stayed on topic.
 
Rodja, you have much more patience than I; I don't know why you waste your time trying to enlighten someone when all they are is argumentative.
there is a whole other issue where, for athletic/bb'ing training purposes, BCAA/EAA supplementation becomes crucial for the natty athlete -- in and surrounding training. Anton, I will surmise you know nothing about the digestive process, and the huge amount of aminos lost from food during this process..probably also don't understand the ramifications of increased bloodflow during exercise, and the part BCAA supplementation plays at that time - when these key aminos bypass digestion and are transported directly to muscle tissue. these aminos need to be replenished during strenuous effort for optimum growth/recovery within training; are you going to do that with real foods while you're working out? and if you do, you have just made the workout less effective, because the body will direct bloodflow (hence, nutrients) to the gut for digestion..
as I said before, for the average guy who just wants to feel like he's doing something because he's working out, save your money and don't worry about it.
for the natural guy who wants to play on a level with guys who are, uh, not so natural, intelligent BCAA supplementation and timing is mandatory.
I could type so much more on this topic, but feel doing so would be fruitless..so I'll leave it at that.
 
snagency said:
Rodja, you have much more patience than I; I don't know why you waste your time trying to enlighten someone when all they are is argumentative.
there is a whole other issue where, for athletic/bb'ing training purposes, BCAA/EAA supplementation becomes crucial for the natty athlete -- in and surrounding training. Anton, I will surmise you know nothing about the digestive process, and the huge amount of aminos lost from food during this process..probably also don't understand the ramifications of increased bloodflow during exercise, and the part BCAA supplementation plays at that time - when these key aminos bypass digestion and are transported directly to muscle tissue. these aminos need to be replenished during strenuous effort for optimum growth/recovery within training; are you going to do that with real foods while you're working out? and if you do, you have just made the workout less effective, because the body will direct bloodflow (hence, nutrients) to the gut for digestion..
as I said before, for the average guy who just wants to feel like he's doing something because he's working out, save your money and don't worry about it.
for the natural guy who wants to play on a level with guys who are, uh, not so natural, intelligent BCAA supplementation and timing is mandatory.
I could type so much more on this topic, but feel doing so would be fruitless..so I'll leave it at that.
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I got nothing to argue about, just wanted to understand how supplementing them separately works. Those are some good examples of situations where taking in bcaa's is necessary. Im convinced. Actually about to eat the rest of the powder that i got, maybe even snort some for extra fast delivery. Sorry about my lack of knowledge and thanks for the info!
 
hey i have a question... are there any other really good flavors of the scivation xtend cuz im sick of the lemonade one already
 
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