Ball Pain

Hilltern

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I’m about 2 weeks into a epiandro and 11-KT cycle and I’m pretty sure I’m getting some shrinkage action going on. Not a huge deal I guess but along with it has come some ball pain. It is really more so discomfort, somewhere between blue balls and getting hit in the nuts. My previous cycle experience is with SARMs and I had discomfort then but no shrinkage and it was gone by week 2 (lasted for week 1) so I’m somewhat new to this phenomenon I guess.

1) Is this normal and just part of the boys shrinking? (😔). 2) Should this subside soon? 3) Anything besides HCG I can take to either stop/reverse this now or for future cycles, or at least reduce the discomfort? I’d just rather not be in discomfort since I imagine it will make any action unejoyable and no one wants to explain to women you’re taking something. 4) Nolva should bring the boys back in PCT right? I was looking through old threads and saw more mentions of Clomid but I was under the impression Nolva still stimulated FSH and LH and was better for mental/emotional sides.
 
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These supps are minimally suppressive if at all. I’ve run these several times without issue. Either you are very sensitive or could be another factor. I would stop and see what happens.
 
I am not suggesting this applies, but several years ago out of the blue and with no cause that I could pin point, I came down with epididymitis. I hurt like a low grade knee in the nuts for several days. It took some meds and it cleared up, never to return. They thought it might be testicular torsion, which is far more serious.

Read up on epididymitis and see if it seems to apply. Hopefully not.
 
I’ve had what I think your describing on an early cycle (1/4/epi andro) and it was around the same time in the run. Went away after about a week if I recall. I’m my head in felt like my balls shutting down.

however as above that’s a really light cycle so a bit surprising.

id defo be checking out other possible causes and not assuming it’s the ph’s bro, TT is really serious so keep an eye on them.

if it is shutdown/shrinkage causing it then hcg is the easiest solution (feels like a bit of overkill for a mild cycle but it’ll keep them firing). A 1,000 iu dose followed by 250iu 2 x a week would get them back and keep them there.
 
Beau said:
I am not suggesting this applies, but several years ago out of the blue and with no cause that I could pin point, I came down with epididymitis. I hurt like a low grade knee in the nuts for several days. It took some meds and it cleared up, never to return. They thought it might be testicular torsion, which is far more serious.

Read up on epididymitis and see if it seems to apply. Hopefully not.
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I got that two weeks after my vasectomy and it was freaking horrible. The pain and swelling was awful and I had to get antibiotics and pain medicine until it subsided. Never had another issue since, but the doctor said it is a possibility following the procedure.
 
Whisky said:
I’ve had what I think your describing on an early cycle (1/4/epi andro) and it was around the same time in the run. Went away after about a week if I recall. I’m my head in felt like my balls shutting down.

however as above that’s a really light cycle so a bit surprising.

id defo be checking out other possible causes and not assuming it’s the ph’s bro, TT is really serious so keep an eye on them.

if it is shutdown/shrinkage causing it then hcg is the easiest solution (feels like a bit of overkill for a mild cycle but it’ll keep them firing). A 1,000 iu dose followed by 250iu 2 x a week would get them back and keep them there.
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Thanks. Can TT result from atrophy?
 
Beau said:
To the best of my knowledge, no. But it wouldn't hurt to read in case what you are experiencing is coincidental to, but not caused by, the epiandro and 11-KT cycle.
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Yeah I was reading up on it and I don’t *think* that’s it but I’m contemplating just going to get checked out to be sure. I guess I should be honest about what I’m taking re causing atrophy though.
 
Everyone relax for a moment.

It is very common for ball pain to occur when on androgens and shutting down, or in PCT when they are firing back up. Usually this is the exact timeline, between weeks 1-3 going on or coming off - it’s literally your balls atrophying, or building back up in response to PCT.

I used to get this every few cycles either coming on or off, before I got smart and started using HCG. It was random and not most times, just some cycles - but the discomfort should not last for a long period.

If this goes on for more than 2 weeks tops without a decline in intensity, definitely see a doctor. Or if there’s any visual distress (aside from shrinking) because there should be no redness, swelling, etc. Just your balls becoming crippled because you couldn’t afford $50 for HCG to keep them from being permanently damaged. But this is common enough I am surprised other members who have commented haven’t heard of it! I’m also surprised some believe 11KT isn’t very suppressive. Speaking from someone who has used it 2-3 times.

Also, how long is this cycle? Your joints are gonna hurt by 6 weeks if you’re already shutting off now with this dry as cycle, and lipids are gonna get icky.
 
Hyde said:
Everyone relax for a moment.

It is very common for ball pain to occur when on androgens and shutting down, or in PCT when they are firing back up. Usually this is the exact timeline, between weeks 1-3 going on or coming off - it’s literally your balls atrophying, or building back up in response to PCT.

I used to get this every few cycles either coming on or off, before I got smart and started using HCG. It was random and not most times, just some cycles - but the discomfort should not last for a long period.

If this goes on for more than 2 weeks tops without a decline in intensity, definitely see a doctor. Or if there’s any visual distress (aside from shrinking) because there should be no redness, swelling, etc. Just your balls becoming crippled because you couldn’t afford $50 for HCG to keep them from being permanently damaged. But this is common enough I am surprised other members who have commented haven’t heard of it! I’m also surprised some believe 11KT isn’t very suppressive. Speaking from someone who has used it 2-3 times.

Also, how long is this cycle? Your joints are gonna hurt by 6 weeks if you’re already shutting off now with this dry as cycle, and lipids are gonna get icky.
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This is what I was looking for. It seemed analogous to the feeling I had with SARMs but this is my first go with a steroidal androgen so I wasn't sure. I really just noticed this dull ache of sorts yesterday morning - how would should it last for? Also, planning to do about 8 weeks of the cycle and am using dermacrine as well to help offset this being too dry.
 
Your testicles shrink due to the endogeous hormones you've introduced to your body. Basically, your body stops making it's own testosterone because it think it's getting enough already. Once you've done PCT or waited around 4 weeks, your balls should be back to normal.

As far as the ball pain, that is concerning. I might agree with the other members to stop the cycle and see a doctor. Remember, this i s just an internet forum. You need to talk to an actual doctor, not some random people on the internet (just sayin...)
 
Appreciate everyone’s input here. Of course as a few of y’all mentioned, always best to see a Dr. when in doubt. Thankfully, I have some pretty nice insurance so I just went and got checked out and got cleared of anything serious.

So alas it was as Hyde said, and the boys are going into hibernation. On the bright side, I also learned I don’t have corona. On the downside, I also learned 11-KT/Epiandro+andro certainly suppresses me and ultrasounds on the sack feel weird as hell. 2/10 would not recommend.
 
Hilltern said:
Appreciate everyone’s input here. Of course as a few of y’all mentioned, always best to see a Dr. when in doubt. Thankfully, I have some pretty nice insurance so I just went and got checked out and got cleared of anything serious.

So alas it was as Hyde said, and the boys are going into hibernation. On the bright side, I also learned I don’t have corona. On the downside, I also learned 11-KT/Epiandro+andro certainly suppresses me and ultrasounds on the sack feel weird as hell. 2/10 would not recommend.
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Glad you are alright. I missed that you’re also on Dermacrine but that will keep estro healthier - sounds like you’re all set!
 
Its very likely your testicle pain is a result of a little prostate swelling. I have had prostatitis and issued with my prostate for a while and the main symptom is actually this on and off feeling of blue balls. My lower back anf kidneys even hurt and feel like ibe been kicked in the nuts. Seen several docs, extensive bloodwork. Prostate issues.

Even a little swelling can cause testicle pain. Its an absolute brutal feeling at times.
 
CV215 said:
Its very likely your testicle pain is a result of a little prostate swelling. I have had prostatitis and issued with my prostate for a while and the main symptom is actually this on and off feeling of blue balls. My lower back anf kidneys even hurt and feel like ibe been kicked in the nuts. Seen several docs, extensive bloodwork. Prostate issues.

Even a little swelling can cause testicle pain. Its an absolute brutal feeling at times.
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Appreciate it but I don't think that's it at all. I didn't have pain/discomfort anywhere else at all and so it's almost definitely suppression/atrophy setting in like Hyde said. Considering spending the weekend sourcing some HcG and a plump nut protocol to go with it, because not trying to explain the atrophy to the girls in my life (can you blame me?).
 
Hilltern said:
Appreciate it but I don't think that's it at all. I didn't have pain/discomfort anywhere else at all and so it's almost definitely suppression/atrophy setting in like Hyde said. Considering spending the weekend sourcing some HcG and a plump nut protocol to go with it, because not trying to explain the atrophy to the girls in my life (can you blame me?).
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wait till married and she doesn’t go close enough to them to notice 🤣🤣
 
Hilltern said:
Appreciate it but I don't think that's it at all. I didn't have pain/discomfort anywhere else at all and so it's almost definitely suppression/atrophy setting in like Hyde said. Considering spending the weekend sourcing some HcG and a plump nut protocol to go with it, because not trying to explain the atrophy to the girls in my life (can you blame me?).
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Same thing happened to me on an ostarine cycle, when I didn't use hcg.

You actually went and see a doctor, kudos for that.
 
Jinsun said:
Same thing happened to me on an ostarine cycle, when I didn't use hcg.

You actually went and see a doctor, kudos for that.
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Yeah man of course. We only get 2 balls and just the off-chance of torsion (or an infection) is no bueno and enough to go get an exam. Not trying to live the Lance Armstrong life if I can help it lol. Ironically though, I was also trying to avoid a needle but it looks like hcg will be forcing my hand on that. Hopefully this thread can help some other dude in the future though.
 
Hilltern said:
Yeah man of course. We only get 2 balls and just the off-chance of torsion (or an infection) is no bueno and enough to go get an exam. Not trying to live the Lance Armstrong life if I can help it lol. Ironically though, I was also trying to avoid a needle but it looks like hcg will be forcing my hand on that. Hopefully this thread can help some other dude in the future though.
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hcg is a little sub q slin pin bro, really easy.
 
Whisky said:
hcg is a little sub q slin pin bro, really easy.
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So I’ve learned! My good friend is a Type 1 and bangs those things like nothing every time we go to eat. I feel pretty confident I could get that injection down. Now just gotta find the goods.
 
Quick update: I think I’m going to come off until I can source hcg properly and before I get too far into the cycle. Since I’m on day 15, how should I approach the PCT here? I have nolva, b-aet, and sustain alpha on hand. Should I still stick with 20/20/10/10 for the nolva, condense that, or forego it all together since it’s still early? I can get bloods but it’ll be about 1.5 weeks until they come back.
 
Hilltern said:
Quick update: I think I’m going to come off until I can source hcg properly and before I get too far into the cycle. Since I’m on day 15, how should I approach the PCT here? I have nolva, b-aet, and sustain alpha on hand. Should I still stick with 20/20/10/10 for the nolva, condense that, or forego it all together since it’s still early? I can get bloods but it’ll be about 1.5 weeks until they come back.
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personally I would stay on by the way.

but if decision made I’d run the pct (nolva) as set out just to get things back to speed ASAP. 15 days is enough to be suppressed so I’d be doing the 4 weeks and then getting bloods a couple of months after that.....
 
Whisky said:
personally I would stay on by the way.

but if decision made I’d run the pct (nolva) as set out just to get things back to speed ASAP. 15 days is enough to be suppressed so I’d be doing the 4 weeks and then getting bloods a couple of months after that.....
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I’m tempted to stay on because I heard they really kick in during the last half but I’m worried about the boys recovering/shrinking more and having to explain that to a girl I’m seeing. I also just noticed my BP from the other day was 147/68 and I figured I should probably get a better handle on that as well before getting ahead of myself, especially since my stim intake is somewhat on the high side.
 
Hilltern said:
I’m tempted to stay on because I heard they really kick in during the last half but I’m worried about the boys recovering/shrinking more and having to explain that to a girl I’m seeing. I also just noticed my BP from the other day was 147/68 and I figured I should probably get a better handle on that as well before getting ahead of myself, especially since my stim intake is somewhat on the high side.
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Was that resting/in the morning? Or after stims, or training?

If that’s your low/resting points you need to get that down.
 
Hilltern said:
I’m tempted to stay on because I heard they really kick in during the last half but I’m worried about the boys recovering/shrinking more and having to explain that to a girl I’m seeing. I also just noticed my BP from the other day was 147/68 and I figured I should probably get a better handle on that as well before getting ahead of myself, especially since my stim intake is somewhat on the high side.
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Was that resting/in the morning? Or after stims, or training?

If that’s your low/resting points you need to get that down.
 
Hilltern said:
Quick update: I think I’m going to come off until I can source hcg properly and before I get too far into the cycle. Since I’m on day 15, how should I approach the PCT here? I have nolva, b-aet, and sustain alpha on hand. Should I still stick with 20/20/10/10 for the nolva, condense that, or forego it all together since it’s still early? I can get bloods but it’ll be about 1.5 weeks until they come back.
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you are taking prostate support-eh?
 
Hyde said:
Was that resting/in the morning? Or after stims, or training?

If that’s your low/resting points you need to get that down.
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That was after stims & training @ the Dr.’s. Train around 7am, was there around 3:30pm. I thought since these were pretty mild compounds that some hawthorn and other otc BP supports would do the trick, but I guess not?
 
Jinsun said:
Dont go off cycle. Your balls wont die from one single low suppressive cycle.
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yeah, I’m less worried about that than the BP and having to explain to this girl I’m seeing why my balls are suddenly much smaller. Of course, of the two the BP is my most immediate concern.
 
Hilltern said:
yeah, I’m less worried about that than the BP and having to explain to this girl I’m seeing why my balls are suddenly much smaller. Of course, of the two the BP is my most immediate concern.
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Tell her they’re not smaller; your dick just got so much bigger.

Back off the stims some, make sure you are getting enough sleep, water, & potassium (5g daily is a good start, but it can be tough to know what you are getting without googling all the foods & amounts you eat), manage your daily stress, and if you need temporary control Carditone at 1/2-1 tab per day brings me down like 10 points.
 
Hilltern said:
yeah, I’m less worried about that than the BP and having to explain to this girl I’m seeing why my balls are suddenly much smaller. Of course, of the two the BP is my most immediate concern.
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Tell her they’re not smaller; your dick just got so much bigger.

Back off the stims some, make sure you are getting enough sleep, water, & potassium (5g daily is a good start, but it can be tough to know what you are getting without googling all the foods & amounts you eat), manage your daily stress, and if you need temporary control Carditone at 1/2-1 tab per day brings me down like 10 points.
 
thebigt said:
you are taking prostate support-eh?
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I use Invalid Link Removed. It has

Saw Palmetto Extract
Phytosterols (with Beta-Sitosterol)
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Trans-Resveratrol
from Japanese Knotweed Extract (Polygonum cuspidatum) (Root)
LinumLife® Complex (Flax Seed Lignan Extract)
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It's great for preventing a lot of the DHT related side effects from TRT, plus I've found it's also helped my hairline.

I also recommend checking out Invalid Link Removed's article called Invalid Link Removed that goes over the convention methods for helping with prostate problems and then the naturopathic methods of dealing with it. It explains why the PSA test is total garbage and has way more info that I can post here. I highly recommend reading through it.
 
StarScream66 said:
I use Invalid Link Removed. It has



It's great for preventing a lot of the DHT related side effects from TRT, plus I've found it's also helped my hairline.

I also recommend checking out Invalid Link Removed's article called Invalid Link Removed that goes over the convention methods for helping with prostate problems and then the naturopathic methods of dealing with it. It explains why the PSA test is total garbage and has way more info that I can post here. I highly recommend reading through it.
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i would add in extra beta-sitosterol....
 
Hilltern said:
yeah, I’m less worried about that than the BP and having to explain to this girl I’m seeing why my balls are suddenly much smaller. Of course, of the two the BP is my most immediate concern.
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I would strongly suggest that you tell her that you, too, are alarmed because you have been diagnosed with TSS (testicle shrinking syndrome). Tell her how relieved you are since you consulted with several of us and that we have advised you that unbridled anal sex will cure TSS and eliminate it from possibility in the future. I imagine it might help if you compassionately explain to her that you have been assured this cure is a sure thing, and how fortunate you feel because you are certain that, because she cares so deeply about your health and well-being, she will surely consent.

Report back.

Extra style points awarded for "tasteful close up pics".
 
Beau said:
I would strongly suggest that you tell her that you, too, are alarmed because you have been diagnosed with TSS (testicle shrinking syndrome). Tell her how relieved you are since you consulted with several of us and that we have advised you that unbridled anal sex will cure TSS and eliminate it from possibility in the future. I imagine it might help if you compassionately explain to her that you have been assured this cure is a sure thing, and how fortunate you feel because you are certain that, because she cares so deeply about your health and well-being, she will surely consent.

Report back.

Extra style points awarded for "tasteful close up pics".
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i am confused, are you telling him to tell her that he needs to give or get anal sex? :unsure:
 
Thanks guys. I really appreciate the input here. My gut is still telling me to come off and reassess everything. I thought I had researched everything pretty thoroughly, but I missed the part about the prostate support and underestimated the effect on my BP this would have even with some supports. I’ll be back on something eventually and I’m pretty pissed to be throwing in the towel now but I just feel like coming off now is the safest option, all things considered. In that case, should I just start into PCT tomorrow?
 
thebigt said:
i am confused, are you telling him to tell her that he needs to give or get anal sex? :unsure:
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According to published studies, OP should "garden her anus uphill". Using mid-1990s Texas Ranger's players metaphorically, I believe OP would be Nolan Ryan (pitcher) and OP's girlfriend would play the role of Ivan Rodriguez (catcher).
 
thebigt said:
i would add in extra beta-sitosterol....
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Beta Sitosterol is a great addition too. NOW foods makes a product called Invalid Link Removed that would be a great addition. I use Invalid Link Removed, which tastes just like real butter but it's made from plant oils and includes DHA/EPA/Flax Oil and Beta Sitosterol.
 
Hilltern said:
Thanks guys. I really appreciate the input here. My gut is still telling me to come off and reassess everything. I thought I had researched everything pretty thoroughly, but I missed the part about the prostate support and underestimated the effect on my BP this would have even with some supports. I’ll be back on something eventually and I’m pretty pissed to be throwing in the towel now but I just feel like coming off now is the safest option, all things considered. In that case, should I just start into PCT tomorrow?
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Have your testies actually shrunken that much?
 
Whisky said:
wait till married and she doesn’t go close enough to them to notice 🤣🤣
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I didnt really think that they even cared.

Like @Mathb33 once said, who would want to go near massive, sweaty and often times hairy pair of nuts. Insane.


And 11 kt is pretty suppressiv3, the only reason the shut down is not as harsh as injectables is because it is usually ran for like 4 weeks.
 
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Jinsun said:
Have your testies actually shrunken that much?
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Nah, maybe like 20% max? It wouldn’t be so noticeable if it wasn’t for a little extra sagginess. I’m way less concerned with that than the other stuff though. I only started this thread originally and cared because, well, not taking chances with my balls when I have insurance lol. However, getting checked out alerted me to the high BP which is much more unsettling.
 
Hilltern said:
Nah, maybe like 20% max? It wouldn’t be so noticeable if it wasn’t for a little extra sagginess. I’m way less concerned with that than the other stuff though. I only started this thread originally and cared because, well, not taking chances with my balls when I have insurance lol. However, getting checked out alerted me to the high BP which is much more unsettling.
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I see. Tbh, this are all minor issues. Was your bp really high? People walk around with crazy high bp when on cycle. If yours was a bit elevated, I wouldn't stress to much. Nothing that a little otc supps cant help fix.
 
Jinsun said:
I see. Tbh, this are all minor issues. Was your bp really high? People walk around with crazy high bp when on cycle. If yours was a bit elevated, I wouldn't stress to much. Nothing that a little otc supps cant help fix.
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I was getting some symptoms of high BP (feeling warm, a bit red all over, etc.) but didn't connect them since I have been using grape seed, hawthorne, and celery seed on top of consistent cardio, etc. LGD with a EC stack and just the celery seed didn't even spike my resting numbers as much. Also, apparently I misunderstood the prostate effects and needed support for that, which was a fumble. Don't get me wrong, I'm salty because I didn't even get to the fun part but I feel like that's a lot of signs I should reconsider this cycle before I get too far. Maybe I'm being a bit 'tarded though.
 
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