BAD SIDES! Is the IGF causing this?

utk1976

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Fellas, for the last four days I've had this really weird thing going on where I become momentarily dizzy / disoriented and hear this kind of "static hiss" in my ears. My balance leaves me and I sort of stagger for a minute, but then I'm fine.

It's sort of like having low blood glucose, but it only lasts for a moment.

I'm in PCT and am using 4 new chems (new to ME) simultaneously:
1. IGF 150mcg x 1 ED
2. x-factor 2capx2 ED
3. Activate 6capx2 ED
4. ReboundXT 1cap x 2 ED

I'm also running Nolva. I dunno which one of these is causing the problem. I REALLY like the results of this little combo, so I hate to drop anything.

Any thoughts or similar experiences???
 
i read activate effected blood sugar so you could be experiencing hypo

and that is quite a high dose igf-1
 
Bump on the question 150mcg ed?

That's about 3 times where I'd start at... and frankly I think the saturation point is quite a bit below that... I wouldn't go above 80mcg.

incidently i have run 2 cycles at 50mcg ED... and loved the results. Specially in terms of PCT.
 
Poobah said:
Bump on the question 150mcg ed?

That's about 3 times where I'd start at... and frankly I think the saturation point is quite a bit below that... I wouldn't go above 80mcg.

incidently i have run 2 cycles at 50mcg ED... and loved the results. Specially in terms of PCT.
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Thanks to everyone that replied. The high IGF could be the culprit - I'm just not sure why it would have this effect. I'm the nerdy, science type, so I want to know! I started at 100mcg for 10 days, but decided to bump it up. I did my homework and felt like I could get away with the higher dose, and cost is not prohibitive, so I raised it up. As an aside, the 20mcg - 120mcg dosing range that people throw around IS NOT carved in stone. I think there is something in one of the FAQs here that says something to the effect that "many pro BBs only use 20mcg per day and love it..." Yeah... right. I can see Flex saying "No, just give me 20, I don't wanna push it."

Subjectively (n=1), I like the 150 better than 100, seems more like AAS... And all that aside, I don't mind pushing the envelope a little.

Anyway, in an abundance of caution, I'm going to cut back to 100 and see if that takes care of it. It's a very strange and uncofortable feeling - almost like an electrical shock. I was thinking that maybe the Rebound/Nolva combo was causing the problem...

Again, thanx for the replies.
 
It's almost certainly the IGF..especially at the higher dose. If you don't want to lower the dose, and play ginnea pig lol, you could up your carb intake prior to dosing. That side you described sounds a little scarey to me though..think insulin shock.
 
Jesus F. Christ that's an unholy amount of IGF1. What in the name of Bob made you think taking that much was a good idea?!
 
I dont agree with you guys in clinical studies children were given 2-7mg of IGF-1 and if a child can take so much with no problems well then an adult must be able to take dubbel that dose or at least the same.
 
think you have your **** confussed....IGF has not been used to clenical purposes yet... its still a "research chemical" only...
 
bmass said:
I dont agree with you guys in clinical studies children were given 2-7mg of IGF-1 and if a child can take so much with no problems well then an adult must be able to take dubbel that dose or at least the same.
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You're off by an order of 1000. They use 2-7mcg, not 2-7mg. IIRC it's something like 0.1-0.2mcg per kg of bodyweight to stimulate growth. I might be off though, someone correct me if I am.
 
Nullifidian said:
Jesus F. Christ that's an unholy amount of IGF1. What in the name of Bob made you think taking that much was a good idea?!
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ROFL!!! Null, I like to see how far I can push sometimes. I'm certainly NOT suggesting that anyonese should push that far. Let me put it this way, I'm not the guy who stacks 5mg of M1T with TRIBEX. When I'm figuring up what I should take, I calculate what it will take to kill me, and then back it off from there a little.

Well, I didn't take any IGF yesterday and pulled it back down to 100 today. I'll stay with 100s for the next several days and see what happens. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks to everyone for the responses / insights.
 
This is getting fucking ridiculous. I just had a shitty workout becuase I'm all dizzy and have these little "shocks" going through my body with numbness / tingling in my fingers. I just don't get it...

Blood pressure = 129 / 65

Pulse = 74

Blood glucose = 89ng/dl

As you can see, these are all fine. I'm stopping all PCT and all other supps / drugs until I figure out what the hell is causing this. Maybe I've got mad cow disease... damn rare steaks.
 
utk1976 said:
This is getting fucking ridiculous. I just had a shitty workout becuase I'm all dizzy and have these little "shocks" going through my body with numbness / tingling in my fingers. I just don't get it...

Blood pressure = 129 / 65

Pulse = 74

Blood glucose = 89ng/dl

As you can see, these are all fine. I'm stopping all PCT and all other supps / drugs until I figure out what the hell is causing this. Maybe I've got mad cow disease... damn rare steaks.
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Your problem is the stratosphericly high IGF-1 dose. More does not equal better. Whatever it is doing is not good. It has something to do with nervous system. You may be growing tissue in places you shouldn't have tissue, like around nerve endings, and your inner ear, and possibly other places as well.

Don't quote me on this, because these are just guesses, but what you are doing to yourself is probably on par with a hollywood sci-fi flick, and you are the mad scientist.

Go look up the true storie of Dr. Frankenstein. By the time he was done experimenting with himself, his body was died a bright blue color, and the odor was something other than this world.

Mad cow disease causes depression, confusion, and possibly dementia before the dieing part sets in. And you can't cook out the prions either.
 
Wow, good luck. I honestly don't understand this method of experimentation. Something that doesn't kill you can still cause problems at ridiculous doses.
 
rhinochaser48 said:
Your problem is the stratosphericly high IGF-1 dose. More does not equal better. Whatever it is doing is not good. It has something to do with nervous system. You may be growing tissue in places you shouldn't have tissue, like around nerve endings, and your inner ear, and possibly other places as well.

Don't quote me on this, because these are just guesses, but what you are doing to yourself is probably on par with a hollywood sci-fi flick, and you are the mad scientist.

Go look up the true storie of Dr. Frankenstein. By the time he was done experimenting with himself, his body was died a bright blue color, and the odor was something other than this world.

Mad cow disease causes depression, confusion, and possibly dementia before the dieing part sets in. And you can't cook out the prions either.
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Thanks for your comments rhino. I've got it narrowed down to 2 thinggs. Either:

1. Benign Paroxysmal Positional Vertigo. My doc things this is correct. If so, no worries.

2. Sides from coming off Lexapro. I'm more inclined to think this is the cause. If so, no worries.

Either way, the condition is improving - slowly - but still improving. RE: Dr. Frankenstein... I think that your analogy is probably a good one. I would point out, however, that (almost) everyone on this board is a walking science experiment. We are all using compounds and/or methods that are at best experimental. For example, if I said that I was going to take 30mgs per day of M1T, stacked with 800mg/day 6oxo, NO ONE would bat an eye. These are new, unproven substances with only the most minimal research behind them and NO human trials that I am aware of, yet everyone here feels pretty comfortable with their risk/benefit profiles. We take what data we have regarding similar compounds and make educated guesses about how the new ones will work. Given their untested nature, however, we are all still experimenting, some just push a little further. I think the important thing to remember is that I DO NOT advocate using such high doses - and in that way feel that I meet whatever social responsibility I may have.

Another example: In the GH/IGF FAQ on this board, the dosage range for IGF is 20mcg -120mcgs. That's a huge range, so who was the first guy to try 120?

Well, no worries on my part. Thanks to everyone who offered some insight. The good news is that I've still got about 1.1mg of IGF laying around. Sweeeet.
 
Damn right! "Who cares if it's healthy or not, I just want my muscles to grow" Markus Ruhl... Got to love that big MF!

I'm at 80mcg/day my first go around. If I was worried about it being healthy, I would be all natural, yeah, F that!


utk1976 said:
Thanks for your comments rhino. I've got it narrowed down to 2 thinggs. Either:

1. Benign Paroxysmal Positional Vertigo. My doc things this is correct. If so, no worries.

2. Sides from coming off Lexapro. I'm more inclined to think this is the cause. If so, no worries.

Either way, the condition is improving - slowly - but still improving. RE: Dr. Frankenstein... I think that your analogy is probably a good one. I would point out, however, that (almost) everyone on this board is a walking science experiment. We are all using compounds and/or methods that are at best experimental. For example, if I said that I was going to take 30mgs per day of M1T, stacked with 800mg/day 6oxo, NO ONE would bat an eye. These are new, unproven substances with only the most minimal research behind them and NO human trials that I am aware of, yet everyone here feels pretty comfortable with their risk/benefit profiles. We take what data we have regarding similar compounds and make educated guesses about how the new ones will work. Given their untested nature, however, we are all still experimenting, some just push a little further. I think the important thing to remember is that I DO NOT advocate using such high doses - and in that way feel that I meet whatever social responsibility I may have.

Another example: In the GH/IGF FAQ on this board, the dosage range for IGF is 20mcg -120mcgs. That's a huge range, so who was the first guy to try 120?

Well, no worries on my part. Thanks to everyone who offered some insight. The good news is that I've still got about 1.1mg of IGF laying around. Sweeeet.
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