Bad Cycle?

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I am currently at the top of week 4 of my cycle. This is what I am running right now

Weeks 1-10 750mg Sustanon/week
Weeks 1-4 35mg Dbol ED
Weeks 5-12 75mg Tren EOD
Weeks 8-12 50mg of Winstrol ED

PCT
1025mg Tribulus ED
ZMA
DHEA
NOX3
Clomid
Nolvadex
HMB
Creatine
Maybe some HCG, not sure yet


So far, I have gained a good amount of strength, but I have only gained about 10lbs. Which I think it should be more at 750mg a week after the 3rd week. I know that the short esters have kicked in and th elonger esters are just now starting, but I was wondering something. I was going to do Deca at 200mg a week for the rest of the cycle becuase I wasnt getting the mass I wanted. I just didnt want the bloat, but now I am reconsidering. I still want to run Tren and Winstrol for strength and qualative gains, but I want the Deca and Test for that MASS!!!!!!!

Any feedback would be very helpfull

Thanks

LW
 
At only 200mg/week I dont think it would be worth it. especially mixed with tren.
I think this cycle will probably kick in nicely by the end of the week.
try adding more protien to your diet. if your doing everything you listed, you should grow no matter what.
 
Depending on how you react to it, the tren could kick up your metabolism to the point that mass gains wont be what you seem to be looking for. I had that experience with it. Don't get me wrong, got good "quality" gains, but mass halted when I started tren, same dose as you are using. Deca takes a while to kick in, so if you started it now you would want to run it for at least 10 weeks maybe 12 making this whole cycle 14-16 weeks. As you said the longer esters in the test are just about to kick in, stay with it but you might consider dropping the tren for this and using it in a cutting cycle. You have enough gear to get good gains.
 
here is my diet right now. I am actually eatting a little more than this


Breakfast:

5 Egg Whites

2 Pieces Whole Wheat toast

Small Bowl of oatmeal with 2 tbsp peanut butter and 1 banana

Protein Shake with water

sliced apple



Mid Morning Snack:

Protein Shake with ½ cup oats, 1 tsp honey, 8oz of skim milk

Plain Granola Bars (2)

2 egg whites

Banana



Lunch:

2 Turkey or chicken sandwiches with lettuce, 1 tsp brown mustard, 1 slice cheese

On Whole Grain Toast

2 Small yogurts

a slice orange

some carrot and celery sticks





Mid afternoon snack:

Protein Shake with ½ cup oats, 1tsp honey, 8oz of skim milk

Peanut butter and banana sandwich

Carrot and celery





Pre Workout Meal:

Protein Shake (2 Scoops) with banana, 2 tbsp peanut butter, 1tbsp honey, 1 cup oats

Hand full of wheat crackers and fruit





Post Workout:

Chicken, Tuna or turkey salad or

3 wheat Dinner rolls

fruit and cottage cheese

3 egg whites



During Workout:

Nuts and raisins



Evening Snack:

Protein Shake with ¼ cup oats, 1 tsp honey

Glutamine 5g

Hand full of crackers or a granola bar

banana or sliced apple



I train 4 days a week.
M - chest triceps forearms
T - Legs and abs, lite cardio
W - OFF, Rest
TH - Shoulders
F - Back, Biceps, Forearms
Sa - REst
Su - Gods DAy, Rest

I get plenty of calories, currently I am out of protein, but I have 15lbs coming any day now. I have been eatting more egg whites to compensate.

Stats:

6ft6
Currently 266lbs
 
i would suggest getting more of your protein from whole foods i.e. beef, chicken, tuna, deli meats as opposed to shakes
 
are all those post cycle supps necessary? the trib, zma.... i would drop these 'less' superior otc supps for the hcg, clomid and/or nolvadex. The cycle looks straight thought bro.
Sage
 
After lunch you only have snacks and shakes?

Keep it simple, take 3 regular meals with real food, then add two snacks in between. That's five. See where you can work in one more snack if possible. Use the shakes after one of your snacks to get more cals/protein and another shake post w/o.

Drop some of the fruit (especially after lunch) and add at least one serving of fresh veggies. Carrot and celery sticks are great for a snack, but you should have a big serving of fresh spinach, broccoli, green beans, green peas, greens, or some such vegi.

Try some legumes for more protein, Ronnie Coleman loves his black eyed peas! Black beans provide 7-8 grams of protein per serving and about 8 grams of fiber. Cottage cheese is a great evening protein source and as casein is digested slower it stays with you through the evening. Beef jerkey makes another good evening snack. Soy is another good source of protein to add to the mix.

If you work nights and have trouble eating a full meal at that time try grilling chicken breasts on the weekend and then toss them in the frig, once cooked and seasoned they will last the week.

Hope some of this helps. 6'6" and 266lbs, damn Bro Your already a big boy, but you will have to eat a lot to get to 300+ which is where mass will really show at your height if your lean.
 
serengo said:
After lunch you only have snacks and shakes?

Keep it simple, take 3 regular meals with real food, then add two snacks in between. That's five. See where you can work in one more snack if possible. Use the shakes after one of your snacks to get more cals/protein and another shake post w/o.

Drop some of the fruit (especially after lunch) and add at least one serving of fresh veggies. Carrot and celery sticks are great for a snack, but you should have a big serving of fresh spinach, broccoli, green beans, green peas, greens, or some such vegi.

Try some legumes for more protein, Ronnie Coleman loves his black eyed peas! Black beans provide 7-8 grams of protein per serving and about 8 grams of fiber. Cottage cheese is a great evening protein source and as casein is digested slower it stays with you through the evening. Beef jerkey makes another good evening snack. Soy is another good source of protein to add to the mix.

If you work nights and have trouble eating a full meal at that time try grilling chicken breasts on the weekend and then toss them in the frig, once cooked and seasoned they will last the week.

Hope some of this helps. 6'6" and 266lbs, damn Bro Your already a big boy, but you will have to eat a lot to get to 300+ which is where mass will really show at your height if your lean.
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I dont really count beans towards my protein total but they rock for fiber!
 
SWOLE93 said:
I am currently at the top of week 4 of my cycle. This is what I am running right now

Weeks 1-10 750mg Sustanon/week
Weeks 1-4 35mg Dbol ED
Weeks 5-12 75mg Tren EOD
Weeks 8-12 50mg of Winstrol ED

PCT
1025mg Tribulus ED
ZMA
DHEA
NOX3
Clomid
Nolvadex
HMB
Creatine
Maybe some HCG, not sure yet


So far, I have gained a good amount of strength, but I have only gained about 10lbs. Which I think it should be more at 750mg a week after the 3rd week. I know that the short esters have kicked in and th elonger esters are just now starting, but I was wondering something. I was going to do Deca at 200mg a week for the rest of the cycle becuase I wasnt getting the mass I wanted. I just didnt want the bloat, but now I am reconsidering. I still want to run Tren and Winstrol for strength and qualative gains, but I want the Deca and Test for that MASS!!!!!!!

Any feedback would be very helpfull

Thanks

LW
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First, have you ran tren before? It can shut you down pretty hard, and i wouldn't run it all the way to the end. I would forget the dbol, run the sust for 12 weeks, tren for 10, and winny for the last few weeks of the cycle. JMO some have no problems with fina dick but i would just be on the safe side. :thumbsup:
 
Guys, thanks for all the feedback!! It rocks. I actually went to the grocery last night and bought about 10 cans of mixed veggies. It has corn, beans, peas and spinache in it. Does not taste too good, but it will do the job. I also got some chicken breasts and other foods. I am going to go to SAM's and stock up this weekend.


The OTC PCT stuff is what I use evrytime. It has worked 3 times before, why stop now? Guess I need some more Sust and need to get that Tren!!

Thanks Guys!!

SWOLE93
 
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