Bad Ass PCT?

eballarj

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So...what kind of PCT would you put together after a H-drol/Propadrol cycle like this one? I'll tell you what I am planning, and please let me know of anything that you think will be of benefit to add. I hope to AT LEAST keep my gains through PCT.

I want a "Bad Ass" PCT. not just "that will work" PCT. :)

H-drol: 50/75/75/100/100
Propadrol: 60/90/120/120/120


Current PCT--

Torem: 120(90)/90/60/30
EndoAmp: beginning in week two of PCT (was informed this is when cortisol control becomes important)

I keep hearing all this bunk about "bounceback" from using Estro-blockers and/or test-boosters in PCT. is there any truth to it?
 
i dont know much on the dosing of torem, but

nolva 20/20/20/20 or
clomid 100/50/50/50

i always like to run an AI with my SERM makes me feel safe. and it helps increase LH and FSH as well. my AI of choice is aromasin or 6bromo
 
crazyfool405 said:
i dont know much on the dosing of torem, but

nolva 20/20/20/20 or
clomid 100/50/50/50

i always like to run an AI with my SERM makes me feel safe. and it helps increase LH and FSH as well. my AI of choice is aromasin or 6bromo
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yah, i was thinking about some Hyperdrol X2 (6-bromo). but what is this i hear about estrogen bounceback after using aromatise-inhibitors? or am I confused? How would you dose it during PCT w/ a SERM?
 
eballarj said:
yah, i was thinking about some Hyperdrol X2 (6-bromo). but what is this i hear about estrogen bounceback after using aromatise-inhibitors? or am I confused? How would you dose it during PCT w/ a SERM?
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IMO not with Steroidal inhibitors, but more with non steroidal inhibitors and SERMS .

i mean dont need to run 200mg of hdx2, but 100-150 would be fine.
 
crazyfool405 said:
IMO not with Steroidal inhibitors, but more with non steroidal inhibitors and SERMS .

i mean dont need to run 200mg of hdx2, but 100-150 would be fine.
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not sure what you mean. are you saying there's no bounceback weith steroidal inhibitors (such as which products?), but that there is bounceback with non-steroidal inhibitors (is this where hdx2 falls?) and SERMS?...just trying to clarify. Or maybe I'm getting too technical/overthinking it..
 
also...how would you dose aromasin if you were to use that instead? (I'm hoping it's cheapter than hdx2, but haven't looked, lol).
 
eballarj said:
not sure what you mean. are you saying there's no bounceback weith steroidal inhibitors (such as which products?), but that there is bounceback with non-steroidal inhibitors (is this where hdx2 falls?) and SERMS?...just trying to clarify. Or maybe I'm getting too technical/overthinking it..
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the thing with PCT is theres one main goal but many ways to acheive it.

with steroidal inhibitors (6oxo, 6bromo,ATD, Aromasin, Formestane) the body needs to create new aromatase enzymes in order to convert test to estro, the same is not true with NON steroidal AIs

my opinion on SERMs is gunna be different from others, the point that i try and make is that it still leaves estrogen in the body so as natural androgen levels go up. natural aromatase occurs. when you stop the SERM the Estrogen can "flood" the receptors causing a Reboun of estrogen.
 
crazyfool405 said:
the thing with PCT is theres one main goal but many ways to acheive it.

with steroidal inhibitors (6oxo, 6bromo,ATD, Aromasin, Formestane) the body needs to create new aromatase enzymes in order to convert test to estro, the same is not true with NON steroidal AIs

my opinion on SERMs is gunna be different from others, the point that i try and make is that it still leaves estrogen in the body so as natural androgen levels go up. natural aromatase occurs. when you stop the SERM the Estrogen can "flood" the receptors causing a Reboun of estrogen.
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...and this flood after the SERM is through (which should be minimal since doses are tapered, right?) can be avoided/minimized by using something like Aromasin while on the SERM? Am I understanding your correctly?
 
eballarj said:
...and this flood after the SERM is through (which should be minimal since doses are tapered, right?) can be avoided/minimized by using something like Aromasin while on the SERM? Am I understanding your correctly?
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SERMs dont have to be tapered.

but yea you got the idea of what im saying, not a lot of people like AIs in their PCT but i do, i cant run a PCT without one.
 
i have been learning that it's better to run an AI, if you do choose to do one, as the SERM is winding down.

1-4: serm, test booster like PCS
5-?: 6-oxo 600/300/200 or something like that.

so my understanding is we control estrogen in the beginning while boosting test and as we finish off that 4 weeks, bring in an AI and taper than down.

please correct me if i am wrong; i am still learning.
 
ndnguy85 said:
i have been learning that it's better to run an AI, if you do choose to do one, as the SERM is winding down.

1-4: serm, test booster like PCS
5-?: 6-oxo 600/300/200 or something like that.

so my understanding is we control estrogen in the beginning while boosting test and as we finish off that 4 weeks, bring in an AI and taper than down.

please correct me if i am wrong; i am still learning.
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there's so many ways to do PCT. it's very confusing, haha. I was told the next most important thing other than a SERM is cortisol control in the 2nd week of PCT...then some say just use test boosters...blah blah...a;sdfjlsdfjdlsk haha.
 
eballarj said:
there's so many ways to do PCT. it's very confusing, haha. I was told the next most important thing other than a SERM is cortisol control in the 2nd week of PCT...then some say just use test boosters...blah blah...a;sdfjlsdfjdlsk haha.
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ive never incorperated a cort blocker until this cycle. ive used clen at a low dose during my whole PCT. i dont know if i feel or see any difference.
 
crazyfool405 said:
ive never incorperated a cort blocker until this cycle. ive used clen at a low dose during my whole PCT. i dont know if i feel or see any difference.
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i did some reading about clen. sounds like good stuff, but more practical for a cutting cycle, yah? I guess it would work in PCT because of its anti-catabolistic properties?
 
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