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How take that? Every days? For more hardening with low bf
 

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I've tried several brands of it and Fusion and Brawns ATD is gt2.
It's a powerfull AI so you have to be carefull with the dosage.
If you run it too high and/or too long it will crush your estrogen and you are going to feel like crap and it will also kill libido.
I would recommed to take ATD on cycle and/or post cycle.
If you want to run something solo to get harder I would recommed 6 Bromo at 100-150mg/ed for 6-8 weeks.
 

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About 6 bromo have some side?
Have sense add also reduce xt on stack?
 

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I have not noticed any sides from 6 Bromo.
6 Bromo+Reduce XT would be a nice stack.
 
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If you are looking for some hardening, fat loss, and e2 reduction, check out Letrone. BLR15 will get you a discount. I'm running it and enjoying it now.
 
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Agreed with this. Can't go wrong with reduce xt by sns.
Third vote here... one of my go-to's for almost any circumstance (post cycle, cutting, etc)
 
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I've tried several brands of it and Fusion and Brawns ATD is gt2.
It's a powerfull AI so you have to be carefull with the dosage.
If you run it too high and/or too long it will crush your estrogen and you are going to feel like crap and it will also kill libido.
I would recommed to take ATD on cycle and/or post cycle.
If you want to run something solo to get harder I would recommed 6 Bromo at 100-150mg/ed for 6-8 weeks.

How would you run it post cycle? I thought it was a big no no? I’m looking at this or Arimestane with other stuff in pct...
 
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I've tried several brands of it and Fusion and Brawns ATD is gt2.
It's a powerfull AI so you have to be carefull with the dosage.
If you run it too high and/or too long it will crush your estrogen and you are going to feel like crap and it will also kill libido.
I would recommed to take ATD on cycle and/or post cycle.
If you want to run something solo to get harder I would recommed 6 Bromo at 100-150mg/ed for 6-8 weeks.

How would you run it post cycle? I thought it was a big no no? I’m looking at this or Arimestane with other stuff in pct...
 
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Why would you want to take ATD for this reason? ATD competes for the anabolic receptors in addition to reducing aromatase. If you finished a cycle and need to PCT, then maybe it is worth it for a month.
Read this before you run it. You might change your mind.
 

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Personally i was looking something for more hardening actually i need just that already low bf.
6 bromo and reduce xt seem good combo
 

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How would you run it post cycle? I thought it was a big no no? I’m looking at this or Arimestane with other stuff in pct...
Arimestane is good to lower cortisol but I don't think it is doing much for estro.
I using ATD when I got itchy nipples on cycle and run it at 150mg for a couple of week's and then 100mg for a couple of week's and 50mg at the end.
Like this:
6 weeks cycle+4 weeks pct=10 weeks
Itchy nipples in week 4.
ATD week 5. 150mg
week 6. 150mg
week 7(PCT). 100mg
week 8 100mg
week 9 50mg
week 10 50mg
 
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I would checkout Iron Legion Virtus. You can get SOLID results with just half a dose...meaning one bottle will last up to 2 months.
 
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I would checkout Iron Legion Virtus. You can get SOLID results with just half a dose...meaning one bottle will last up to 2 months.
Is it hormonal or suppressive or worthwhile Oct product. Solid result? Can you elaborate please?
 
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The original Inhibit-E as many may remember was ATD based; I much prefer the new/current version and the feedback on it is great. It gets overlooked here on AM some bc so many use the research chems but inhibit-e is a great product and stacks nicely with Reduce XT.
 

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Well i mean what is more indicated just for have more hardening and lean with less or no sides.
Actually atd have many sides than 6 bromo or virtus.
 
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How long is “safe” use in a stack for recomp?
There is a danger if using ATD when not for a PCT. If you are not shut down it will cause your HTPA to go into overdrive. You will feel great, but you will slowly burn out your Pituitary gland. This will leave you with secondary hypogonadism. There are old entries of people running ATD for 8 weeks that reported this, which were dismissed as being all in your head bro. Carl Lenore from Super Human Radio used transdermal ATD for 8 weeks and drove himself into andropause. Now he is on complete HRT for the rest of his life. Note that sex criminals that are chemically castrated by being given a drug that burns out the Pituitary by over stimulation in a week. Leaving only the adrenals to supply only 10% of what was there before.

If you check the research on this supplement it boost Testosterone levels a bunch. Then after a week it starts to drop as your system responds less and less to the open feedback loop. Is it worth it? If you are young you should bounce back. If not then you are rolling the dice. Is it worth it?
If it were me I would cycle this stuff one week on and one week off. Or 4 days on and 3 days off. This should limit the burn out.
Or better yet, get some Mtest or Kingsblood and avoid the whole mess. There is a reason that ATD was banned as an oral supplement in the US.
If you doubt anything I have said, then please Google this yourself.
 
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The original Inhibit-E as many may remember was ATD based; I much prefer the new/current version and the feedback on it is great. It gets overlooked here on AM some bc so many use the research chems but inhibit-e is a great product and stacks nicely with Reduce XT.
What’s recommended for this 8 week user? Any impact on blood lipids or suppression or other health parameters? Thanks
 

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At least, whats more indicated for just hardening? what is more efficient and what have more and less sides?
 
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Well i mean what is more indicated just for have more hardening and lean with less or no sides.
Actually atd have many sides than 6 bromo or virtus.
virtus/Invictus are great for leaning out.
 
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What’s recommended for this 8 week user? Any impact on blood lipids or suppression or other health parameters? Thanks
The recommended dose is 1 cap 3 x per day.

We’ve never had any reports of lipid side effects or suppression.

Inhibit-e is a very well rounded and formulated product.

Link to full writeup:
 
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Invictus what do you mean?
Anyway, im little bit confused to what take than inhib-e, 5 bromo with reduce xt, or virtus.
Virtus is Iron Legions AI (
Invictus is Iron Legions cortisol control

The combination of Virtus and Invictus is just fire!
 
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The recommended dose is 1 cap 3 x per day.

We’ve never had any reports of lipid side effects or suppression.

Inhibit-e is a very well rounded and formulated product.

Link to full writeup:

Sorry I was referring to reduce XT, I should have specified. How long can it be ran for? Thanks
 
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Sorry I was referring to reduce XT, I should have specified. How long can it be ran for? Thanks
while I'm sure they recommend a break at some point, there isn't anything in reduce XT that should require cycling. I would say you're likely good for 60-90 days without concern
 
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Sorry I was referring to reduce XT, I should have specified. How long can it be ran for? Thanks
No problem at all.

1 capsule 2 to 3 x per day.

As Delsolrob said above, it can be ran long term. We do reckoned a break after 8 weeks but that’s based more on insurance specs for products then scientifically needing to if that makes sense.
 
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No problem at all.

1 capsule 2 to 3 x per day.

As Delsolrob said above, it can be ran long term. We do reckoned a break after 8 weeks but that’s based more on insurance specs for products then scientifically needing to if that makes sense.
Yes that totally makes sense. Thanks for that. I might do 1 bottle at 3 caps then another at 2 for 10 weeks or something.

May I ask you a question about M Test? What are your thoughts of Urtica Dioica as an ingredient? It seems to split opinion and I’d be interested on your thoughts on it. :)
Kind regards
 

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Would have your opinion about these 3 product if u have try. 6 bromo, elim1nate OL, and inhibit e from SNS.
What do u think?
 

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Would have your opinion about these 3 product if u have try. 6 bromo, elim1nate OL, and inhibit e from SNS.
What do u think?
My vote for 6 Bromo.
The stuff has been around for almost two decades
It's tried and proved.
 
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Would have your opinion about these 3 product if u have try. 6 bromo, elim1nate OL, and inhibit e from SNS.
What do u think?
For anti-e purposes, I think Inhibit-E is the best.

6-Bromo is now illegal and even when it was legal and common, it was a chore to get quality raw materials. Once something is illegal, as you can imagine, those issues become even harder bc let's face it, most companies don't send off to have their not legal anyway compounds tested haha. But a big part of the quality concern back in the old days was it degrading rapidly; that's why we never used it in a product ourselves. I'm not bashing 6-Bromo at all, I'm just giving you an honest answer as to why we never made one and to why I honestly wouldn't use it even if someone gave it to me for free bc I'd have no idea what it actually was now.
 
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Yes that totally makes sense. Thanks for that. I might do 1 bottle at 3 caps then another at 2 for 10 weeks or something.

May I ask you a question about M Test? What are your thoughts of Urtica Dioica as an ingredient? It seems to split opinion and I’d be interested on your thoughts on it. :)
Kind regards
I think that Uritica Dioica is an excellent ingredient and has a long history of use in some of the best test boosters the industry has ever seen. I do think that some heavy marketing base companies overhyped it at one time and created unrealistic expectations that got the ingredient nit picked to death though.
 
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