Article: When A Bodybuilder Tries Crossfit....
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Gutterpump
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Haterz gonna hate. In reality, high skill olympic lifts are likely above all y'alls ability, not to mention - most people on this site could never survive most crossfit workouts due to lacking any functional athletic ability or real conditioning whatsoever. Keep on hatin' though. 
SinisterNix
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"high skill Olympic lifts" in 99.9% of crossfit boxes are performed without the requisite skill. Maybe crossfit should come up with another trademarked name for 'em, cause the way I've seen them done in 3 different crossturd boxes damn sure is the polar opposite of what any actual self respecting Olympic lifter does...
wiseman
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****ing spot on!
Gutterpump
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It is up to the lifter to make sure they lift with perfect form correct? How is this a fault of a specific training program. Crossfit does not TEACH poor form! Your argument is completely subjective to the individual. It is up to each individual person to drop their ego when in the gym. Crossfit does not teach people to break form just for extra reps. Sorry, but I should know. Have you ever tried crossfit (longer than just doing drop ins - I mean giving it several weeks - attended LAB classes, on-ramp initial training, etc)? Do you know crossfit coaches? Do you have any experience whatsoever? OR are you just spouting the most obvious thing ANYONE can criticize about crossfit or actually about any program at all. OBVIOUSLY poor form in olymic lifts is no good. However, it is up to the individual to ensure they don't break form just for extra reps. I have been through several training classes, and crossfit coaches are top notch when it comes to teaching high skill olympic lifts, so your argument is completely subjective and holds absolutely no ground whatsoever.
I could powerlift with ****ty form and then people could say powerlifting is ****ty because you can't hold your form properly when doing a 1RM, it's going to cause injury, and it's just bollocks for training anyone in a healthy way. I know this is bullsh1t though because I have also powerlifted for years. Again, it is up to the individual to ensure they stop when their form breaks down.
This argument could be made about any form of training. Crossfit simply does not teach people to break form whatsoever and they have great coaches who are certified in olympic lifting, among other forms of training as well (strength coaches, gymnastics, etc). It is the individual's own doing, and coaches constantly preach about not breaking form. How are you going to force a whole class of people to keep strict form though when in a group setting? You can't, all you can do is teach - it is up to the individual to follow and listen. This is such an easy concept to grasp.
SinisterNix
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Every crossfit "coach" I have come across is in it for the money. Your argument is specious and your reasoning is repetitive, and pretty much wrong. If crossfit "coaches" are so great as you would like to think they are, why would so many of them let their clients do anything with **** form, which is what I (and countless others) have witnessed repeatedly? I'll tell you why, because the more people they have in their gyms the more cashola they rake in. I don't need to spend time doing crossfit to know how much it sucks. Olympic lifts aren't done for high reps, period. Kettlebell variants (which are also butchered by crossfit "coaches") can be done for high reps, but with a barbell that is no. No! Bad crossfit sycophant. Bad!
I have the same problem with 99% of "personal trainers" I have seen in commercial gyms, having people do stupid and sometimes downright dangerous things because simple minded people think fitness should be a form of entertainment when in fact it takes a lot of practice and patience (like any other skill worth working towards degrees of mastery) to be able to be proficient enough at it to make some real gains. And untrained individuals have no business being encouraged to do stupid crap like kipping pullups, kipping handstand pushups, or high rep barbell Olympic lifts. Especially the barbell Olympic lifts. It is the rare individual that can become proficient with them on their own. Most require expert coaching, which on the simple principle of "programming"(which involves a certain level of functional intellect to do properly) them for high reps in crossfit makes it stupid, irresponsible, and potentially dangerous. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.
I have the same problem with 99% of "personal trainers" I have seen in commercial gyms, having people do stupid and sometimes downright dangerous things because simple minded people think fitness should be a form of entertainment when in fact it takes a lot of practice and patience (like any other skill worth working towards degrees of mastery) to be able to be proficient enough at it to make some real gains. And untrained individuals have no business being encouraged to do stupid crap like kipping pullups, kipping handstand pushups, or high rep barbell Olympic lifts. Especially the barbell Olympic lifts. It is the rare individual that can become proficient with them on their own. Most require expert coaching, which on the simple principle of "programming"(which involves a certain level of functional intellect to do properly) them for high reps in crossfit makes it stupid, irresponsible, and potentially dangerous. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.
Gutterpump
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I feel bad there are no good Crossfit boxes in your area. I train or used to train at one of the best in the country. It took my own training and knowledge to the next level. A far higher level than any bodybuilding forum or globo gym trainer could ever take it. It got me into powerlifting (with proper coaches) and really upped my mobility game. It was the next best thing to joining a Westside Barbell Club...but that's because my Crossfit box also had a Barbell Club, which was what I was a member of.
I guess I can repeat myself, not that it will make any difference, but whenever someone is lifting with bad form - I always see them called out on it, and the coaches where I've been at have always always preached good form and that when form breaks down, reps should stop. I guess not all boxes are created equal.
Some of your points are good, but I strongly agree with the writer of this article below. Crossfit has done a ton of good for the fitness industry.
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PS: I just want to also state, that I have never done nor seen high-rep olympic lifts done in Crossfit. I have never seen programming that includes AMRAP Overhead Squats, or 30 OH Squats, or even 20 OH Squats. What I have seen, are many WODs that include a strength portion and a METCON portion. The strength portion does not include high-rep anything. Usually about 5 reps, for sets. Metabolic conditioning workouts typically include lifts like high-rep, lower weight deadlifts combined with something else, in a circuit. I NEVER see olympic lifts as part of the METCON.
I guess I can repeat myself, not that it will make any difference, but whenever someone is lifting with bad form - I always see them called out on it, and the coaches where I've been at have always always preached good form and that when form breaks down, reps should stop. I guess not all boxes are created equal.
Some of your points are good, but I strongly agree with the writer of this article below. Crossfit has done a ton of good for the fitness industry.
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PS: I just want to also state, that I have never done nor seen high-rep olympic lifts done in Crossfit. I have never seen programming that includes AMRAP Overhead Squats, or 30 OH Squats, or even 20 OH Squats. What I have seen, are many WODs that include a strength portion and a METCON portion. The strength portion does not include high-rep anything. Usually about 5 reps, for sets. Metabolic conditioning workouts typically include lifts like high-rep, lower weight deadlifts combined with something else, in a circuit. I NEVER see olympic lifts as part of the METCON.