Article: The Lies Of Jogging
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drFLEXxin88
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Very biased article. I believe Most athletes (basketball, football, soccer, lacrosse, hockey) will greatly benefit from jogging.
Adrena1ine
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Maybe, but this article is more about why bodybuilders don't do it.
mcafaro
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True, and professional athletes have access to the best nutrition and athletic trainers on earth especially in the US. Lol sometimes I wish I could train along with nfl players at the combine.
Nihsnek
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I've trained with several D1 athletes that eventually went pro (NBA, NFL). The most "jogging" that is done is maybe suicides or sprints with very short rest periods. Never, ever, did we go on a "jog". Although, cross country and track would
Obviously jogging is more sport specific. Most sports play out like HIIT with short bursts and power and speed needed. Non contact sports though, like soccer and x-country, are more endurance based.
Bigcountry08
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The funny thing is most of the sports you just named, consist mainly of short durations of sprinting, even in basketball a lot of the time you see players walking then performing a short 10-15 second sprint. How is the article biased? Do you have any articles to back up your claim???
jamesm11
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There were some guys in the Army who were huge bodybuilding types and still jogged a lot. I'm sure there's truth to the article, but a lot of it is people convincing themselves why they don't need to embrace the suck and do cardio in general. If it makes you feel better than that's fine, but to write off a tried and true method in its entirety is pure denial
Bigcountry08
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He's not writing it off, he's just saying there's far more effective ways to get in cardiovascular work then jogging. Doing 10-20 sets of all out 30 second sprints is definitely not easy and it's definitely not writing off cardio.
jamesm11
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I do HIIT anyways because I'm a natural sprinter. 1 minute sprint 2 minutes walk (4 mph) and repeat for 30 minutes. I enjoy it more for some reason. Jogging is what I do for mental clarity or to de-stress from work. And the scenery is pretty good where I am.
drFLEXxin88
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Sprinting is HIIT. Jogging is completely different, it's for ENDIRANCe and the last time I checked most sports involve 60 mins! Yeah players aren't out there the whole time nor are they running the whole time but during the last few minutes of a game players need to have endurance to continue to compete at a high level!!!! Duhhhhh
Bigcountry08
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Your argument basically just validates what I first said lol, and duhhhh really how old are we.
drFLEXxin88
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Sprints is not cardio... Like he said earlier, "jogging is a tired and true method" of cardio. Sprinting is HIIT for explosoveness not so much long endurance. Try playing any sport I mentioned before with only sprinting as your training and you'll be gasping for air before the game is halfway over.
drFLEXxin88
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Haha "tired and true" oops.... I meant "tried and true" haha
drFLEXxin88
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How many miles of jogging do you think they did throughout their younger career to get to that level? I would guess they jogged a ton throughout middle and high school !
Ristonian
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You're all types of foolish
drFLEXxin88
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You lost all credibility when you said that all you use is machines haha
Ristonian
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Did I now? That's quite unfortunate
drFLEXxin88
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You would benefit greatly from free weights! I bet your results would skyrocket!!! It would be a complete challenge to step up from machine to free weight but I'm pulling for you to make that jump!!! Best of luck bro!
fueledpassion
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In my world, there are multiple forms and intensities of cardio movements.
Walking
Jogging
Running
Sprinting
Where running and sprinting CONSISTENTLY keep u above 80% of VO2 max and sometimes even higher.
The latter two are essential in all around performance and low body fat figures. I cant say much for the former two though except what he indicates as demasculinization.
Also, doing both weight lifting AND high intensity cardio is better than either by itself. We should be past this argument by now and should be striving to do both.
Walking
Jogging
Running
Sprinting
Where running and sprinting CONSISTENTLY keep u above 80% of VO2 max and sometimes even higher.
The latter two are essential in all around performance and low body fat figures. I cant say much for the former two though except what he indicates as demasculinization.
Also, doing both weight lifting AND high intensity cardio is better than either by itself. We should be past this argument by now and should be striving to do both.
compudog
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Enough with the demasculisation already. This manly enough for you? Think you could do it? I doubt it. It takes BALLS, and a sh1tload of endurance.
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fueledpassion
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And ur point?
The author of this article is the one who I suppose should be defending himself against u. I'm glad ur proud of rock climbing bud. I'd have to lose a few lbs, maybe 10, to become effective enough to enjoy that pass time. Being swole has its benefits, but body weight movements and extended endurance activities isnt one of them. Thats the point of this article. You gotta pick which one u want. Either endurance but small and weaker (not strength to weight ratio, just total strength) or u pick to be larger but not exactly impressive on endurance or body weight movements.
But yes, I could do ur rock climbing. If I can sit in the 90 (%) percentile on strength to weight ratio, I'm pretty sure I can adapt it to lifting my body weight for a few hours at a time.
And rock climbing is anaerobic, not aerobic. So lets throw that out of conversation since its irrelevant to the argument.
kenster
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I can only speak from my own experience. In my military career, jogging was strongly encouraged, and I continued for many years after I retired. I was over 200 pounds. And I paid the price. Lower back disc problems, and occasional bleeding, believed to be related to the prostate. Culminated in a burst blood vessel that put me in the emergency room. Sure, took some 20 years, as I got close to 50 years old, but now I avoid jogging. Wish I'd have stopped sooner.
compudog
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That's not just rock climbing, it's alpine rock climbing (Ha Ling Peak in Canmore AB), which falls under the umbrella of mountaineering. Mountaineering also includes waterfall ice climbing and glacier travel, which I was also proficient at. Now, at 47, I'm not as strong as I was even 5 years ago. I can bench press 300 lb (275 for 5 reps today), deadlift 450 (or better) and so on, still, nowhere near as strong as I used to be. I never would have been able to do those activities safely without doing regular jogging.
So let's not hear any BS about how jogging makes you grow a vagina, ok?
compudog
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Ya man. One of my early rock climbing mentors was an ex military guy, he could run down an entire mountain, super strong guy. I'm 47 & I quit jogging 4 years ago due to overuse injuries, but it's not the injuries, it's just age really. Sucks to get old but at least you can say you were a force of nature at one time.
fueledpassion
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Well ok. Still, I didnt write the article! Besides, he mentioned that when he said what he did, it was addressing a social construct, not a physiological change.
Btw, I respect what u can do. Let me repeat, I'm not arguing with u. I mentioned that jogging and running are two different intensities for myself. Jogging is leisurely in my book, running is sweating and breathing hard. One can be done for hours on end, the other for just a few minutes at a time. Just symantics.
Its worth mentioning though that when it comes to jogging, women have near equal advantage to men. This just isnt the case for strength and muscle mass. I think this is the logic the author is taking.