I've seen geared up guys come off and their friends make comments. Within 2 weeks they're back to being huge again which tells me they just said **** it and went right back on cycle. The long term effects of such stupidity is TRT among other things. I hear countless PPP say they wish they were on TRT. Talk to someone who is on TRT. From what I've heard is that it sucks. Having to rely on a drug to feel like a man is not a good feeling. Not to mention all the bloodwork and doctors visits can take its toll