Article: Is Steroid Use Big In Crossfit?
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Estevato58
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There's a store here in San Antonio that's next to a crossfit gym, where all the gym members go to buy supplements, and they openly advertise prohormones to that crowd. They have billboards around town saying "gain 20lbs of muscle in 30 days!" And in the store, their ph advertisements explain how taking the stuff will help w crossfit, lol. I guess they think since you can legally buy them, it's not cheating...
fueledpassion
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Best article I've read in a while. I love readin up on truth.
Non-steroid users are hypocrits and many actual users are liers.
Non-steroid users are hypocrits and many actual users are liers.
Stattus
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If you're not competing in an athletic tournament, why do you care? To be a professional athlete in any sport (as much as I don't want to admit crossfit is a sport), you have to be willing to do some immoral things to compete. If you want to penalize everyone who has used steroids in sports you better wipe the books clean starting in the 60s.
fueledpassion
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Lol, yep. The way I see it, the only sport I participate in actually encourages it (bodybuilding).
I also believe there is a very convincing argument that rampant steroid use LEVELS the playing field quite a bit moreso than without.
Just look at the pro bb'rs that compete today. VERY competitive with each other. People want to think that being born with better genetics is somehow "fair". Its the furthest thing from fair! Using PED's to fill the gap between normal hardworking athletes and the "gifted ones" makes for a better show.
Oscar
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bill86
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i just had to respond to this after your first post.... this isn't directed at YOU (i don't know you), but i've just gotta get this off my chest.... how are non-steroid users hypocrites? if someone wants to use steroids, ok, cool... what i hate more than anything about steroid users is this holier-than-thou idea that they're 80 lbs bigger than everyone else just because they have "dedication". anywhere you go on social media or on this site you see juice heads talking about how they are where they are because of diet and training alone. it's absolutely ridiculous and irks natural guys to no end. i have lots of friends who have used aas/ph's and not a single one of them say they're anything less than magic. one of my friends that uses was talking about it the other day, and said, "yeah, of course they make everything easier. i gained 20 lbs in 4 weeks eating 3 meals a day of only fast food because i don't like to cook" (granted, he has amazing genetics and everyone thought he used even before he started using... yet gear just took it to a ridiculous level for him).
my genetics are the worst of anyone i know that works out (and most all of my friends do). i can eat 6 meals a day of portioned grilled chicken and veggies and never see my 6 pack. i can eat tons of complex carbs and red meat and never break 225 lbs (and it's not a lack of effort/knowledge as i've been in love with working out for 12 years and soak up all the knowledge i can and it's my only hobby). i've got pseudo-gyno/gyno and have never taken anabolics before... it just gets annoying when you see people who aren't as smart in the gym, and aren't as solid with their diets put on 30 lbs in 6 weeks while getting shredded at the same time from running tren, test, masteron, and eq and then say, "it's because of my dedication".
i wouldn't say non-users are hypocrites, i'd say most users are hypocrites because the vast majority of them lie and say they're natural while trying to act like steroids don't work wonders.
then you've got these crossfitters who think they're somehow superior to every one else because of how "intense" they are and because they "work through injuries", and you just can't convince them otherwise. imo is just a recipe for douchebaggery and people thinking they're "better" than other workout enthusiasts just because they stick a needle in their ass that makes them bigger, stronger, and faster than they'd EVER be without it.
fueledpassion
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Non-steroid users arent necessarily hypocrits but I've seen many that are. Not a reflection of non-users but a reflection of that individuals' character I guess.
I guess the worst thing about most non-steroid users is the lack of information they have about steroids, who uses them and the REAL health consequences, not the mainstream media's version. Most non-users appear to be spokespeople for WADA and/or the media - quite possibly the most uninformed bunch out there.
But yes, ur not a hypocrit because ur "natural", although I think the natural guys who use GH products, pharmaceutical fat burners and DNP need to shut up about the topic.
And for what its worth, I use FAR less supra/pharmacological help than I did in the past with better results. So while I cannot downplay gear I can assuredly say that it really wont make u bigger and faster and stronger without the effort to educate urself on how to use it, how to train with it and certainly how to eat with it. I'm bigger and stronger than when I took Test, Tren and other stuff so I dont just say it lightly. Dedication to training correctly and efficiently is key otherwise those roids just make u dependent on them to stay the same and not get fat or weak. For this reason alone I have decided to follow a more conservative route, primarily with my health in mind and of course understanding that things cannot and should not come over night.
But to quickly mention, I also beleive that steroids level the playing field for those without the ideal genetics, which is perfectly fine IMO. One should weigh the pros and cons of such and be able to make that decision on their own whether they should take them for a competitive edge, without the influence of society and uninformed trainees in the gym. Its a personal choice, and since the top tier athletes do it, it becomes a real question whether one should take them or not.
Being genetically gifted is not a fair situation, only a natural one. People admire and worship near perfect athletes, but then have disdain for those that try to become more like those athletes by using PED's. The hypocrisy of the society is a strong stench to WANT so much perfection and competitiveness out of athletes yet judge and criticize those who try. Ok I'm done, lol.
I guess the worst thing about most non-steroid users is the lack of information they have about steroids, who uses them and the REAL health consequences, not the mainstream media's version. Most non-users appear to be spokespeople for WADA and/or the media - quite possibly the most uninformed bunch out there.
But yes, ur not a hypocrit because ur "natural", although I think the natural guys who use GH products, pharmaceutical fat burners and DNP need to shut up about the topic.
And for what its worth, I use FAR less supra/pharmacological help than I did in the past with better results. So while I cannot downplay gear I can assuredly say that it really wont make u bigger and faster and stronger without the effort to educate urself on how to use it, how to train with it and certainly how to eat with it. I'm bigger and stronger than when I took Test, Tren and other stuff so I dont just say it lightly. Dedication to training correctly and efficiently is key otherwise those roids just make u dependent on them to stay the same and not get fat or weak. For this reason alone I have decided to follow a more conservative route, primarily with my health in mind and of course understanding that things cannot and should not come over night.
But to quickly mention, I also beleive that steroids level the playing field for those without the ideal genetics, which is perfectly fine IMO. One should weigh the pros and cons of such and be able to make that decision on their own whether they should take them for a competitive edge, without the influence of society and uninformed trainees in the gym. Its a personal choice, and since the top tier athletes do it, it becomes a real question whether one should take them or not.
Being genetically gifted is not a fair situation, only a natural one. People admire and worship near perfect athletes, but then have disdain for those that try to become more like those athletes by using PED's. The hypocrisy of the society is a strong stench to WANT so much perfection and competitiveness out of athletes yet judge and criticize those who try. Ok I'm done, lol.
bill86
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i see what you're saying, and don't necessarily disagree with any of it. my thing is just the opposite, though... i feel like steroid users are always trying to downplay the negative effects they have on your health by acting like anyone who thinks they're bad for you are "stupid" and "uneducated sheep". i mean, how many people use steroids to simply "catch up" with regard to genetics? not many. how many use very small amounts and only a couple of times a year? not many.
ok, so running low-dose test may not be all that bad if you know what you're doing, but most people (at least that i've known in my extensive time working out) don't do that. most people are taking hardcore stuff, and usually stacking it. i just think it's bs to say that "steroids aren't as bad as people make them out to be" while weighing like 290 and running all kinds of ridiculous stuff. then, when a high-profile person has heart issues, liver issues, or dies, it's always some "underlying condition". what's worse is when i see these kids with the mindset that steroids aren't bad and it's all some big conspiracy and they're on all sorts of stuff. the bottom-line is that they often will cause an increase in red blood cells/thickening of the blood, they will screw up your lipids, and they will tax your heart (at the doses in which 90% of people use them), but the argument is that "that's only when you're on cycle", but half these people are ALWAYS on. i've seen guys who have cycled for 2.5 years straight. there's just a fine line between use and abuse, and while most people argue that use is okay and abuse isn't, most of those people are abusing them (ie, ultimate warrior who recently died of a heart attack).
i've just seen so many people who have made absurd gains without their training being on point and without their diet being anywhere NEAR on point by using steroids. then these same people rant about how it's all dedication and anyone can do it with proper diet and exercise, and walk around with their chests puffed out at the gym looking down on anyone that isn't as big or strong as they are (despite the fact if it weren't for gear, they'd be even smaller than the guys they're looking down on and using stupid lines like, "you even lift bro?"). it's like these "trainers" you see on instagram, one of whom i know personally, who post before and after pictures of their clients who have gained like 30 lbs in 2 months and gotten shredded off "diet, exercise, and determination", when really, they just sell them steroids. i'm not saying they ALL do this, but i personally know some of those guys and that's what they all do.
with regard to leveling the playing field, i get what you're saying, but some of us just don't want to take steroids. of course i'd like to be 260 and shredded, but i don't want it bad enough to abuse (i say abuse, because "use" wouldn't be enough to attain that) steroids. i just wish steroids didn't exist, haha. i mean, having bad genetics sucks, but what sucks even worse is seeing people who aren't putting in the same amount of work and getting three times the results because of drugs, then saying things like, "anyone can achieve this, it just takes dedication"..... yeah.... dedication and lots of steroids.... and don't even get me started on prohormones haha.
ok, so running low-dose test may not be all that bad if you know what you're doing, but most people (at least that i've known in my extensive time working out) don't do that. most people are taking hardcore stuff, and usually stacking it. i just think it's bs to say that "steroids aren't as bad as people make them out to be" while weighing like 290 and running all kinds of ridiculous stuff. then, when a high-profile person has heart issues, liver issues, or dies, it's always some "underlying condition". what's worse is when i see these kids with the mindset that steroids aren't bad and it's all some big conspiracy and they're on all sorts of stuff. the bottom-line is that they often will cause an increase in red blood cells/thickening of the blood, they will screw up your lipids, and they will tax your heart (at the doses in which 90% of people use them), but the argument is that "that's only when you're on cycle", but half these people are ALWAYS on. i've seen guys who have cycled for 2.5 years straight. there's just a fine line between use and abuse, and while most people argue that use is okay and abuse isn't, most of those people are abusing them (ie, ultimate warrior who recently died of a heart attack).
i've just seen so many people who have made absurd gains without their training being on point and without their diet being anywhere NEAR on point by using steroids. then these same people rant about how it's all dedication and anyone can do it with proper diet and exercise, and walk around with their chests puffed out at the gym looking down on anyone that isn't as big or strong as they are (despite the fact if it weren't for gear, they'd be even smaller than the guys they're looking down on and using stupid lines like, "you even lift bro?"). it's like these "trainers" you see on instagram, one of whom i know personally, who post before and after pictures of their clients who have gained like 30 lbs in 2 months and gotten shredded off "diet, exercise, and determination", when really, they just sell them steroids. i'm not saying they ALL do this, but i personally know some of those guys and that's what they all do.
with regard to leveling the playing field, i get what you're saying, but some of us just don't want to take steroids. of course i'd like to be 260 and shredded, but i don't want it bad enough to abuse (i say abuse, because "use" wouldn't be enough to attain that) steroids. i just wish steroids didn't exist, haha. i mean, having bad genetics sucks, but what sucks even worse is seeing people who aren't putting in the same amount of work and getting three times the results because of drugs, then saying things like, "anyone can achieve this, it just takes dedication"..... yeah.... dedication and lots of steroids.... and don't even get me started on prohormones haha.
bill86
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but also... yes... anyone using dnp, clen, hgh, etc. while claiming "natural" is just stupid. although, i don't think it's quite as bad as aas users who swear they're natural and do natural shows. bodybuilding is a sport full of steroid use... if you're going to use, at least maintain some semblance of fairness and don't go competing in natural shows. i'm not saying this is super-common, but i've known it to happen. a friend of a friend used to claim he was "natural" because he wasn't on at the time of competition (my actual friend is one who advocates the "steroids aren't bad" stuff despite pissing blood while on cycle before, but that's neither here nor there haha).
fueledpassion
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Yeah those are all fair comments and can arguably be true.
I think our medical community doesnt know enough about steroids and their true long term effcts (other than secondary hypogonadism) and an altered lipid profile (also can be temporary) to be claiming dangerous or helpful though. There arent any studies or many studies being done because the gov't bans everything from use. People say steroids cause serious heart problems, which may or may not be true, but lets not ignore the fact that the most deadly killer in our society today is heart disease regardless of steroid use - so its not like steroids cause health problems any more than a bad diet and lazy lifestyle do.
For what its worth, I tell folks what I do and whats even encouraging about it is that it aint that much that I do. Half the items I take regularly are actually healthy for the body in a multitude of ways (I.e. albuterol & GHRP's) yet they are banned in most sports. I wish people would be honest and not find their identity in appearing a certain light to others. I'd rather u judge me for my actions and perceived flaws but know that I am an honest man than for u to think me a liar and still judge me for my actions anyways.
Stattus
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If there is money involved, there is drug use. Period. It doesn't matter what industry it is. College kids crunching for finals take adderal, musicians take beta blockers, porn stars take viagra, labor intensive jobs take stimulants. There is never a "fair" playing field regardless to profession.