Article: Big Breakfast Increases Overall Health
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jerrysiii
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Ok IF-ers let's hear the rebuttal. It actually seems like a good study.
Pros: They actually eat a controlled diet and both groups consumed the same total calories and daily macros.
Cons: Population was obese woman and both diets were low in protein.
The results are very significant. We're not talking minor, but very substantial differences in scale weight and waist circumference.
Pros: They actually eat a controlled diet and both groups consumed the same total calories and daily macros.
Cons: Population was obese woman and both diets were low in protein.
The results are very significant. We're not talking minor, but very substantial differences in scale weight and waist circumference.
compudog
Well-known member
Of course a big breakfast will work better than a big dinner for fat loss. The problem is, try going to bed hungry and see how that works long term... There's a reason why people eat a big meal at night, it's to prepare for the overnight fast.
The "obesity epidemic" isn't caused by anything people do on an individual level. People are not different today in any substantial way than 30 years ago. It's caused by a change in the the economic landscape; specifically, the value and availability of food. Food is much less valuable than it used to be, and much more available, so it's consumed in greater quantities. Not a popular opinion I guess since it implies we haven't got as much control over what we do as we'd like to think, but isn't that obvious anyway?
The "obesity epidemic" isn't caused by anything people do on an individual level. People are not different today in any substantial way than 30 years ago. It's caused by a change in the the economic landscape; specifically, the value and availability of food. Food is much less valuable than it used to be, and much more available, so it's consumed in greater quantities. Not a popular opinion I guess since it implies we haven't got as much control over what we do as we'd like to think, but isn't that obvious anyway?
virago88
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I think I would be in a food coma for the rest of the day if I ate all that. I would love I have a big breakfast but find it too difficult to function afterwards. Anyone else have this problem? Till then 50g oats, water and 1/4 cup almond milk.
Pandabear
New member
It's hard to see exactly what the studies parameters were as the full text costs money, and my interest in obese studies is minimal.
I'm not an IF, just to be clear, what I will say though is that different approaches can work for different goals. The main thing you have to understand about studies in any scientific field is relevance. In other words; is this relevant to me? Am I an obese woman who has "cravings later in the day"? Or maybe, i'm a lean athlete who has no cravings and strength trains every day. Your metabolic function changes and adapts accordingly to exercise, stress, rest, your current bf %, etc. Additionally it is well known that obese and overweight people have bad impulse control, under report calories and suffer from diseases that healthy individuals may likely never see. This is not so much about breakfast as changing a habit to satiate hunger on people that have no impulse control. It's a jump to a conclusion to insinuate that big breakfasts are the healthier option for everyone, just like it's a false claim to say that skipping breakfast is best for everyone. It's just not the case at all.
So what i'm trying to say is the study is relevant: For what? For who? Does it fit YOUR purpose? Maybe it does, or maybe skipping breakfast works better for you for a short time/long time/forever.
Try not to jump on one band wagon or another (not that you are specifically, I just see it so much from everyone these days). Everything has it's place within reason, depending on the result you want to achieve and whether it's sustainable for you.
Pandabear
New member
It's hard to see exactly what the studies parameters were as the full text costs money, and my interest in obese studies is minimal.
I'm not an IF, just to be clear, what I will say though is that different approaches can work for different goals. The main thing you have to understand about studies in any scientific field is relevance. In other words; is this relevant to me? Am I an obese woman who has "cravings later in the day"? Or maybe, i'm a lean athlete who has no cravings and strength trains every day. Your metabolic function changes and adapts accordingly to exercise, stress, rest, your current bf %, etc. Additionally it is well known that obese and overweight people have bad impulse control, under report calories and suffer from diseases that healthy individuals may likely never see. This is not so much about breakfast as changing a habit to satiate hunger on people that have no impulse control. It's a jump to a conclusion to insinuate that big breakfasts are the healthier option for everyone, just like it's a false claim to say that skipping breakfast is best for everyone. It's just not the case at all.
So what i'm trying to say is the study is relevant: For what? For who? Does it fit YOUR purpose? Maybe it does, or maybe skipping breakfast works better for you for a short time/long time/forever.
Try not to jump on one band wagon or another (not that you are specifically, I just see it so much from everyone these days). Everything has it's place within reason, depending on the result you want to achieve and whether it's sustainable for you.
I'm not an IF, just to be clear, what I will say though is that different approaches can work for different goals. The main thing you have to understand about studies in any scientific field is relevance. In other words; is this relevant to me? Am I an obese woman who has "cravings later in the day"? Or maybe, i'm a lean athlete who has no cravings and strength trains every day. Your metabolic function changes and adapts accordingly to exercise, stress, rest, your current bf %, etc. Additionally it is well known that obese and overweight people have bad impulse control, under report calories and suffer from diseases that healthy individuals may likely never see. This is not so much about breakfast as changing a habit to satiate hunger on people that have no impulse control. It's a jump to a conclusion to insinuate that big breakfasts are the healthier option for everyone, just like it's a false claim to say that skipping breakfast is best for everyone. It's just not the case at all.
So what i'm trying to say is the study is relevant: For what? For who? Does it fit YOUR purpose? Maybe it does, or maybe skipping breakfast works better for you for a short time/long time/forever.
Try not to jump on one band wagon or another (not that you are specifically, I just see it so much from everyone these days). Everything has it's place within reason, depending on the result you want to achieve and whether it's sustainable for you.
SXIPro
Active member
I typically eat breakfast about 20 minutes after I leave the gym(7:30AM or so) and I am ravenous at that point. By 10:30 AM I am usually chowing down an entire rotisserie chicken. Food is my favorite supplement.
SXIPro
Active member
I typically eat breakfast about 20 minutes after I leave the gym(7:30AM or so) and I am ravenous at that point. By 10:30 AM I am usually chowing down an entire rotisserie chicken. Food is my favorite supplement.
eluruguayo
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Yeah yeah, "anecdotes are not data" and all that... but, I am never hungry at the beginning of the day, so forcing myself to eat a big breakfast would be hellish. And on top of that, when I *do* eat a big breakfast, I am much hungrier later in the day. Which makes sense -- your stomach expands when you eat a lot of food, so, it's much more of a bitch when it empties back out. (If you eat a big dinner, that happens when you're asleep.)
And finally, I can go through the day hungry -- in fact, I get a lot more s**t done when I'm a little hungry -- but I can't fall asleep hungry. So this Tel Aviv plan is just five sizes and three colors of "bad" if you ask me.
And finally, I can go through the day hungry -- in fact, I get a lot more s**t done when I'm a little hungry -- but I can't fall asleep hungry. So this Tel Aviv plan is just five sizes and three colors of "bad" if you ask me.
THOR 70
Well-known member
A couple points:
I'm not hungry in the morning.
I workout at night so a quality re-feed is a must.
200 calories for dinner I would sleep like ****.
When I eat breakfast I get very hungry a few hours after, even when I eat clean.
I have a very mentally depending job, and when eat breakfast I get a bit of brain fog vs staying sharp till lunch while IF'n
Time-I have it to cook/enjoy a quality dinner.
These aren't scientific but they have truly helped me maintain a healthy weight with the least effort.
I think they got results because it was a bunch of fatty's in a controlled environment.
If you want great "Science" keifer's book, Carb back loading, offer some awesome data on hormones in the morning etc.
Not obsessed with IF but it just seems logical/effective for my situation.
I'm not hungry in the morning.
I workout at night so a quality re-feed is a must.
200 calories for dinner I would sleep like ****.
When I eat breakfast I get very hungry a few hours after, even when I eat clean.
I have a very mentally depending job, and when eat breakfast I get a bit of brain fog vs staying sharp till lunch while IF'n
Time-I have it to cook/enjoy a quality dinner.
These aren't scientific but they have truly helped me maintain a healthy weight with the least effort.
I think they got results because it was a bunch of fatty's in a controlled environment.
If you want great "Science" keifer's book, Carb back loading, offer some awesome data on hormones in the morning etc.
Not obsessed with IF but it just seems logical/effective for my situation.
fueledpassion
Well-known member
One factor that is overlooked is that all of these individuals in the study were likely not eating breakfast to begin with or a small one at best. I know very few women that actually chow down a 1/3 to 1/2 of their daily calories a breakfast alone.
The change in diet plan alone would stimulate the metabolism and get a response out of the body. That would explain in itself why the "big breakfast eaters" had the most dramatic results.
I actually incorporate IF w/ the bodybuilding style diet EOD. Today I fasted for 16hrs, tomorrow I will not. Changing the rhythm of your metabolism always keeps fat-burning a top priority of the body.
Fact is, for myself, it'll never apply to me since my goal is muscle mass and I likely train harder and longer than obese women. I will continue to eat alot at every meal and if I'm still not eating enough, then I'll train harder. If that doesn't work, then I'll take some GHRP and then I'll eat like it's my last day on Earth.
The change in diet plan alone would stimulate the metabolism and get a response out of the body. That would explain in itself why the "big breakfast eaters" had the most dramatic results.
I actually incorporate IF w/ the bodybuilding style diet EOD. Today I fasted for 16hrs, tomorrow I will not. Changing the rhythm of your metabolism always keeps fat-burning a top priority of the body.
Fact is, for myself, it'll never apply to me since my goal is muscle mass and I likely train harder and longer than obese women. I will continue to eat alot at every meal and if I'm still not eating enough, then I'll train harder. If that doesn't work, then I'll take some GHRP and then I'll eat like it's my last day on Earth.
TexasGuy
Active member
Yeah but you are 5'10" and 177 pounds. What is the common goal here, building muscle right?