Arnold continues to impress me!

he seems to have an excellent handle on media relations. he knows when to play ball, and when to tell them to **** off. gotta love him
 
Personally, I wasn't real excited about his coments about drug testing at the Arnold. I'd still vote for him though.
 
Lean One said:
Personally, I wasn't real excited about his coments about drug testing at the Arnold. I'd still vote for him though.
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I wasnt either, however I think now that he is in politics he has some heat on him about this stuff....i mean if Arnold is against it and he came from bodybuilding, I'm sure politicians would see that as a huge tool to use to get work done for their cause.... sad but true.
 
oh it is possible, even probable. it's happening as we speak where i live (KY) they are taking the junk out of the vending machines and replacing them with milk/fruit juice vending machines
 
good , thats a big problem in the schools.they need to take them out of my kids school pronto ! they never had them when i was a kid and there was no fat kid dilemma now my kids school is full of 150-200 pound 6th graders , "no ****"
i dont give my kids money for that **** , they bring a healthy snack from home.and my kids are fit
 
No junk food in schools. Wake up people! It might sound like a good idea but our freedoms are getting picked away. If i wanna be fat and eat junk food then let me. If the kids are 150-200lbs. its the childs and parents part to step in not ARONLD/GOVERMENT.
 
He got one question on the topic Sunday, from a sixth-grader.

The girl asked the governor to explain why he's said publicly he doesn't regret his own past steroid use. Schwarzenegger reiterated that at the time he took the drugs they were new to the market and weren't illegal.
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Hmm i wonder what media agency paid this little girl to ask such a question?
 
buff----lets review how idiotic your statments are.....

1. the majority of kids AND parents no nothing about nutrition, thus both don't have the knowledge to make a informed decisions about their own or their childs diet. Plus, most kids in school are to young to make good descisions about diet.

2. PARENT ARENT GOD...they cant be everywhere their children are at all the times. AND THEY CANT BE IN SCHOOL. Parents have little control over food intake in schools even if they pack lunch, they usually trade there food for junk or money to buy junk.


Soooo....stop blaming parents and start blaming these big, piece of **** food companies. Did you know that pepsi and coke give computers and other stuff to schools that desperately need them only if (in contract) they sell so many soft drinks per year. These companies need to take responsiblity
 
Undertaker you bring up a good point. I think he has a great idea about banning
junk food in schools. And no ones rights are being taken away buffb2, they arent
saying you cant bring them in if you want, just that the schools will no ìonger
sell them.

I think his agenda needs to go a step further though. health and gym classes are
laughable at all levels of public schools. And I believe nutrition class should be its
own subject, not some 2 week one chapter issue in a book no kid reads anyway.

the man is good at everything he does, and he impresses me.
 
For the most part, I HATE REPUBLICANS, however, if Arnold ran for president I would vote for him (or McCain for that matter). By taking things away you aslo bring new freedoms. Parents would have
freedom from worrying about what total garbage kids are eating. And the children, most of whom are developing physical and mentally will have better nutrition and thus freedom to live a happier and heathlier life. I wish as a kid I was forced to eat right.
 
junk food in schools is a ruthless business tactic by these companies. they should be kicked out. of course a kid is going to choose gummy worms over green beans. easy money! rights has nothing to do with this either, they are children not adults.
 
your parents do have a very big impact on your eating habits, especially on younger kids.. trust me... and Parents need to stop depending on everyone else to do their jobs which is to help their kids develop into good adults.. and NO they are not god... and no one ever said they were, well except for you undertaker
And if it gets banned from the school selling it, then it will be banned from them taking it into school.. most lunchrooms that recieve federal money are not allow to let student bring in food from outside places like Arby's, Subway, or McDonald's and that also means no soda or other things...
As for a nutrition class being its own class.. where exactly do we put in the overly full school schedule? Just wondering do we elimate the language class or English?
 
matt--parents are responisble as well, no one would deny that. But these companies also have a responsiblites. If you know anything about Kraft or any other large food company you would know what I am talking about, there almost as bad as the pharmacetical companies
 
hogiejoe said:
junk food in schools is a ruthless business tactic by these companies. they should be kicked out. of course a kid is going to choose gummy worms over green beans. easy money! rights has nothing to do with this either, they are children not adults.
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You saying children have no rights?
 
I was a psych major in undergrad and going on to grad school. Most children dont understand what rights are until 8-9 or older. School have special rules....Rights are restricted in schools by law, and thats accepted. For instance they are allowed to search lockers at will, etc....
 
As for a nutrition class being its own class.. where exactly do we put in the overly full school schedule? Just wondering do we elimate the language class or English?
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This is a load of crap, an overly full school schedule? In high school I was done with graduation requirments almost a full year ahead of schedual. I have a semester and a half of electives. your out of your mind
 
If you are a parent and want your child to eat that bullshit, thats fine, pack their lunches full of Little Debbies and Pepsi.

What I have a problem with is when my little sister who is trying to lose weight brings lean meats, fruits and vegetables to school for lunch and gets made fun of for being "different" while the other kids with their fast-ass metabiolisms eat bullshit...

I'm telling you, obesity will soon be the #1 killer in this world. I want to have kids in a few years and my GF and I have discussed home-schooling our kids just for this very reason...bullshit in school lunch rooms. GO ARNOLD
 
You guys all need to watch Supersize Me (McDonald's movie). There is a segment in the film just on this topic. In a few schools across the country they have already begun the process of weeding out the bullshit foods and as a result students behavior has gotten better and test results have dramatically gone up.

I'm sorry but when I have kids they will NEVER be eating any fast food or sugar/candy horseshit.
 
"No junk food in schools. Wake up people! It might sound like a good idea but our freedoms are getting picked away. If i wanna be fat and eat junk food then let me. If the kids are 150-200lbs. its the childs and parents part to step in not ARONLD/GOVERMENT."

these are children. they do NOT have the rights that adults have. there is this little concept in the law called "in loco parentis". schools, essentially, take over the parent's role when the kids are at school.

if he was banning kids from bringing junk food that would be something else entirely. but he's not. few parents are going to object to a school replacing junk with healthy stuff.

this is not a "rights issue". he's not BANNING anything. he is merely saying the PUBLIC SCHOOLS (which act as parent proxies when the kids are there) will not PROVIDE junk to kids. parents are as free as ever to make the choices about what their kids eat. if they want to give the kids ho-ho's, that's groovy. and if the kids want to choose to buy junk off campus and bring it on, that's fine too. if he tried to ban THAT, that would be a rights issue. this is not. a school has the authority (some would argue the duty) to provide HEALTHY snacks and make proprietary choices.
 
jjjd said:
these are children. they do NOT have the rights that adults have.
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perfectly said

rights is not the issue. taking vending machines out of schools has nothing to do with rights. having a vending machine in a place of business or study is no ones right. RIGHTS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!! bring all the friggin cola you could possibly drink to school.
 
hrdgain81 said:
This is a load of crap, an overly full school schedule? In high school I was done with graduation requirments almost a full year ahead of schedual. I have a semester and a half of electives. your out of your mind
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Really.. then you must be in one of the places that does not required that that many credits to graduate. With only 7 class in my state, you MIGHT finish a half a sememster early IF you weren't on advance diploma then you would finish right on time.. AND then half of the ones coming out are not ready to do college.
Now I will admit if you were on modified block you might have managed to finish up a year early if you were on REGULAR diploma not ADVANCED... so I am guessing you didn't do the advanced right? How about any dual enrollment classes?
 
Schools days are way too short if you ask me. The local public schools all let out at or before 3PM. That's BS. My high school had classes from 8AM to 4:30PM. Additionally there are too few days of school in the school year. The state req in NJ is 180. The HS I went to had over 200.

You know what the result was from my HS? 100% of the students went to college. Yep, 100%. On top of that, we had students who were published in biology journals, when they were juniors! The average SAT score in my school was 1300.


Kids have it way to easy in school.



On the topic of Arnold's Q and A, I completely agree with the removal of junk food from public schools. It's an excellent idea. Obviously I think Arnold bashing steroids is ####ing bogus. However I understand it was something he simply had to say with today's current reefermadness. Personally I don't think he's against, them he just has to appear as if he is. If he ever becomes President, I can only hope he will perhaps completely switch his stance .... in his second term.
 
that I would not mind and I can see if you have the time to teach the damn subjects then you actually have time to learn them.. my state the kids only have to do 175 days.. and at least 1 week of that is eaten up with exit exam bs.
Also, I was thinking about this, there is a health class that is supposed to cover nutrition that is 1/2 credit for graduation.. Our local HS states at 7:20 and goes to 2:48

I am not against them taking out the junk food from the schools by any means.. but I also think that the parents need to step up also and do their part, no more waiting on someone else to do your job for you... As for Arnold and him being president.. I hope it doesn't happen.. sorry just don't think we need to go down that road of letting naturalized citizens into the highest office in the land... I just have some very very bad feelings about that.. or I could forsee someone abusing it..
 
UNDERTAKER said:
buff----lets review how idiotic your statments are.....

1. the majority of kids AND parents no nothing about nutrition, thus both don't have the knowledge to make a informed decisions about their own or their childs diet. Plus, most kids in school are to young to make good descisions about diet.

2. PARENT ARENT GOD...they cant be everywhere their children are at all the times. AND THEY CANT BE IN SCHOOL. Parents have little control over food intake in schools even if they pack lunch, they usually trade there food for junk or money to buy junk.


Soooo....stop blaming parents and start blaming these big, piece of **** food companies. Did you know that pepsi and coke give computers and other stuff to schools that desperately need them only if (in contract) they sell so many soft drinks per year. These companies need to take responsiblity
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Idiotic my statements are!

First off you will never vote Arnold for prez. he cant run he wasnt born in America.

1. the majority of kids AND parents no nothing about nutrition, Ohh parents dont know candy and cola is bad.

2. I have voiced how i felt about this and i dont expect everybody to agree with me. To me it is about rights and i see how they are getting nibbled away in this country.
 
it's in the "penumbras and emanations" section. right next to the place where it says we need to look to EUROPEAN STANDARDS in order to determine whether the juvenile death penalty is constititutional under the US constitution. :rolleyes:
 
Hogie.. not to be an ass but you don't have any dogs in this fight.. your not in the US and are you even a citizen of the US? From the look of your gear in your picture I don't think you are in the US armed forces...
and no it does not say that you have the right to a 24 hour vending ..but were does government interference in the lives of the governed end?
 
it is not "govt interference" in the right of those governed.

here's a hint. the govt. RUNS public schools. somebody has to decide what vending machines are in public schools. that would be (wait for it) - THE GOVERNMENT

duh
 
i'm here for you. i'm a firm supporter of vouchers, btw. i would have problems with arnold telling private schools what vending machines they could not have, btw.

has he done this? if he has, i would be against it. but in public schools. that's his job, imo.
 
I am not even going to go into the problems with vouchers.. but hey to each their own on that...
And if they get any money from the federal government, voucher or public should be same rules... IMO
 
MatthewD, to tell you the truth I havent been in High school
in the last six years. All I can tell you is there was a lot of
wasted time when I was in school. I will also say that many of
the kids I was in school with were less then motivated in school,
and perhaps this accounts for how some may have no time in thier
scheduals. Then again we always need people to dig ditches.


As far as rights go, I dont think banning THE SALE of junk food in
schools has anything to do with infringing peoples rights. If anything
the insane advertising by these companies that takes advantage of
impressionalbe young minds in order to hook them in to using these
products for life is by far more harmful.

I agree with whom ever said it before, go watch Super Size Me, then
come post on this subject.
 
I was not the one that said anything about infringing on the rights, you have me confused with someone else.. I really hope they do take it out of the schools... I was just calling you on the point you attempted to make about adding a class. As for wasted time, there is more than I want there..trust me I know about this but at the same time, there is a class that is suppose to cover nutrition.. health class.. now we have a ton of coaches that don't give one **** about their teaching just about whatever season is going on..and don't cover much of what they are supposed to in health..
But at the same time, besides just banning it from school, let's take all the advertising off the air, take out the ads in the magazines, and take down the billboards. You are right when you said it taking out the advertising.. but take it across the board..
and for the record.. I did see most of supersize me.. and I am am well versed in the "evils" of junk food... so please don't at like I don't have walking around sense..
 
I think that it is a good idea to take junk food out of the public school systems to an extent.I believ they should be taken out of elementry schools and middle school. At the age in elementry school and middle school kids could careless about what they eat as long as its good which usually involves some junk food. I think in high schools they should keep the junk food for the reason that most of the kids in high school are almost adults and should be able to make choices for themself and make a choice on what to eat.
 
DieTrying said:
I'm telling you, obesity will soon be the #1 killer in this world. I want to have kids in a few years and my GF and I have discussed home-schooling our kids just for this very reason...bullshit in school lunch rooms. GO ARNOLD
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i think it's already the #1 killer in the US. well indirectly at least, no one dies of being obese per se of course, but it's positively correlated with all the leading causes of death.

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imo, that's wrong. kids in high school are ALMOST adults. almost doesn't count. high school admin are still acting in loco parentis for minors. to contrast, college administrators aren't

now this has nothing to do with an individual school district or private school at the high school or college level deciding on their own not to have junk food vending machines on campus. that's still okey dokey

the thing with the instant case is that it is a centralized control issue, and thus needs a higher level of justification. certainly it is justified for MINORS while in public schools, but not for minors while in private schools (that is up to the private school - in the same way an individual private school can offer very different curriculum than another private school) or adults in any school. centralized control by the state govt. would be overweening in those cases.
 
I have to agree with you on that one JJJD.. almost doesn't count but tell that to the HSer's out there.. and it is not the high school admin wants to act like parents, the public has left them no room not to.. and for the private school, yes they can decide as long as they recieve NOT public funds ie vouchers.. then if they do, they need to follow the rules of all...
 
MatthewD, to tell you the truth I havent been in High school
in the last six years. All I can tell you is there was a lot of
wasted time when I was in school. I will also say that many of
the kids I was in school with were less then motivated in school,
and perhaps this accounts for how some may have no time in thier
scheduals. Then again we always need people to dig ditches.
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MatthewD, I apologize, only this part of the post was directed to be in
response to you. The rest was just general response. I wasnt trying to
imply that you dont have walking around sense.
 
even if private schools do receive public funds via vouchers, the locus of control (imo) still rests with them, not arnold. the state can demand they be accredited (they teach the basics) but not make specifics as to curriculum (like they do with public schools) nor with junk food vendors. that's because private schools, even if funded with voucher $$$ (partly) are only funded when PARENTS make the choice to fund them with THEIR voucher $$$. clearly (and the reason why vouchers are totally constitutional) as long as PARENTS make the choice to choose the private school, it is not a state issue (vending machines). that's the same reason why parents can choose blatantly religious schools with their voucher $$$ (or not if they desire) because the CONTROL and CHOICE rests with the parent. in the case of the public school, it does not. critical difference
 
the problem with that is when it comes to vouchers then you move to having STATE FUNDS injected into the mix, which then makes it a semi private school would it not? You are using tax funds for a private school, so that makes not really public but NOT private. An for the voucher system, I don't think there is a state that has been able to get it passed in such a way that it would make it through the courts, but I might be wrong on that one... like I have said, it is a good idea to remove all the vending machines from school.. I know at all of the local ones, they are shut off during the day but some of the crap they sell at break is just that crap..
 
"the problem with that is when it comes to vouchers then you move to having STATE FUNDS injected into the mix, which then makes it a semi private school would it not? You are using tax funds for a private school, so that makes not really public but NOT private"

wrong. the funds are given to the PARENTS. THEY decide to what school they go. so, there is no "govt." choosing. there is parental choosing. that's like saying that if govt. gives a parent food stamps or a tax refund, and the PARENT chooses to spend that money on product Z, that product Z is getting govt. funds. wrong. the funds come from the PARENTS. they make the choice. thus, it remains entirely private. it's all about choice.

whether or not the courts have accepted this logic (and many have) is tangential to whether or not it is correct. trust me. it is. :)
 
Matthew D said:
....it is not the high school admin wants to act like parents, the public has left them no room not to.. and for the private school, yes they can decide as long as they recieve NOT public funds ie vouchers.. then if they do, they need to follow the rules of all...
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Must disagree with you on a couple of points, Matthew. In loco parentis is not imposed ON administrators BY the public - the law requires that parents educate their children, and for almost all, this means surrendering minors children to an uncertain environment beyond the parents control & influence; in return, the law requires schools to exercise parental-level oversight in caring for students.

Any school administrator who doesn't understand this up front, or who feels unjustly limited by this 'imposition', is in the wrong line of work.

By your interpretation of "public funding", we are ALL subject to governmental controls, because EVERYBODY gets at least SOME money from someone who got money from the government - and extending your argument, that makes us ALL government employees.

While I'm sure the govt. would love to be able to exercise that level of control over the populace at large, they can't - it's legally indefensible.
 
oh to hell with it.. you guys win.. I am back to staying the hell out of this forum.. later I am off to work on stuff for grad school..
 
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