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Are there any good standalone euccommia ulmoides and ecklonia cava supplements?

Shadowblaze

Shadowblaze

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I'm just looking for some Euccommia and ecklonia standalone products for stacking, if anyone knows any good ones please let me know.
 
I'm not aware of any good quality ones that aren't extremely overpriced.

We use both ingredients in Anabolic XT + much more.

One of the reasons that we have never done them as singles is that Anabolic XT is such a good price for everything that is in it, that I don't think they would sell well as singles.

For example, there's an Eucommia product as a single by a brand that sells for 44.99 to 49.99 for a months supply of just that one ingredient and you can get Anabolic XT for that price or close and it has the the same dosage as the single ingredient product + Ecklonia, SR10X, SA3X Spilanthes, G70X Ginseng, Cistanche, and more.

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Madevilz said:
Swanson carries Euccommia.
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They do, but its not an extract, it's just the whole herb bark.

We use a 100:1 Eucommia Ulmoides extract in Anabolic XT.

For anyone interested, the way that ratio extracts work is that a 100:1 extract means that it takes 100 kg. of raw plant material to create 1 part of the extract.
 
sns8778 said:
They do, but its not an extract, it's just the whole herb bark.

We use a 100:1 Eucommia Ulmoides extract in Anabolic XT.

For anyone interested, the way that ratio extracts work is that a 100:1 extract means that it takes 100 kg. of raw plant material to create 1 part of the extract.
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Yeah from what I can gather sns are the only ones that sell high quality well dosed Euccommia and ecklonia extracts. Swanson sells a great ecklonia extract but it only has 50mg per capsule, meaning I would have to take like half a bottle per day.
 
Shadowblaze said:
Yeah from what I can gather sns are the only ones that sell high quality well dosed Euccommia and ecklonia extracts. Swanson sells a great ecklonia extract but it only has 50mg per capsule, meaning I would have to take like half a bottle per day.
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There's only 1 brand that I know of that sells a single ingredient Eucommia at a good standardization, but the issue with it is that a month supply is close to the same price as a month supply of Anabolic XT.

I had thought about doing a single ingredient version at one time, but the issue was that we offer such a good price on Anabolic XT for everything that's in it, that I didn't figure anyone would want to buy Eucommia for just a little less than they could get the whole formula for.
 
sns8778 said:
There's only 1 brand that I know of that sells a single ingredient Eucommia at a good standardization, but the issue with it is that a month supply is close to the same price as a month supply of Anabolic XT.

I had thought about doing a single ingredient version at one time, but the issue was that we offer such a good price on Anabolic XT for everything that's in it, that I didn't figure anyone would want to buy Eucommia for just a little less than they could get the whole formula for.
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I haven't ran anabolic xt in a while, just been taking ursolic acid and creatine hcl for a while now which has been great honestly, it's a good natty stack thats also great for overall health. But you've inspired me to give anabolic xt another shot, just didn't wanna take it since I haven't been training much. I wanna do a long anabolic xt run again, probably a 6 month run.
 
If you want to try a solo Ecklonia Cava the only one I would go with is one from Marine Technology Corporation and in a dose of at least 300mg per capsule.
 
Shadowblaze said:
I'm just looking for some Euccommia and ecklonia standalone products for stacking, if anyone knows any good ones please let me know.
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I remembered you asked this and I think ND is about to drop a stand alone Ecklonia Cava. Just in case you haven’t found what you are looking for yet.
 
3ChainedAminos said:
I remembered you asked this and I think ND is about to drop a stand alone Ecklonia Cava. Just in case you haven’t found what you are looking for yet.
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Yeah, its a very hyped up release. Thanks for reminding me of this. The thing is I believe they aren't making it for any athletic benefits, they are making it for its other benefits like promoting hair growth and inhibiting 5a reductase. But ill check it out when it releases, hopefully it will be a well dosed 100:1 extract!
 
Shadowblaze said:
Yeah, it’s a very hyped up release. Thanks for reminding me of this. The thing is I believe they aren't making it for any athletic benefits, they are making it for its other benefits like promoting hair growth and inhibiting 5a reductase. But I’ll check it out when it releases, hopefully it will be a well dosed 100:1 extract!
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oh dang, that’s kinda lame, maybe my wife finally has a supplement lol. I actually do no shave November for just my mustache, and I’m blonde, I can surprisingly grow a killer stache but it takes around 3 months to really come in.
 
Shadowblaze said:
It has solid reviews from people on AM, if you really want to try it solo go for it. But I would spend a bit more and get anabolic xt for all the other ingredients.
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Agreed with this as well. I'd definitely go with Anabolic XT if it were me.
 
3ChainedAminos said:
View attachment 258555I remember you asking about this, I believe this is very new. Barlowes has it now stand alone.
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It’s odd that they make it out in the write up that it’s good for bodybuilding purposes but then use the standardization that they do.

The extract that companies like us and Blackstone use is standardized much differently and would be impossible to sell for that price.

When people asked us if we would offer a Eucommia as a single ingredient, one of the reasons I said probably not was because it can be extracted different ways and someone would just come along and offer a dirt cheap extract and just people don’t know the difference so then they’d buy it and say it doesn’t work anyway.

That’s a problem with single ingredient herbals now days in general is so many people don’t know or understand the differences in extracts and some companies just do the cheapest thing they possibly can for sales purposes. I understand why, cheap sells. The problem is when they don’t work, people talk negatively about an ingredient in general without context.
 
sns8778 said:
It’s odd that they make it out in the write up that it’s good for bodybuilding purposes but then use the standardization that they do.

The extract that companies like us and Blackstone use is standardized much differently and would be impossible to sell for that price.

When people asked us if we would offer a Eucommia as a single ingredient, one of the reasons I said probably not was because it can be extracted different ways and someone would just come along and offer a dirt cheap extract and just people don’t know the difference so then they’d buy it and say it doesn’t work anyway.

That’s a problem with single ingredient herbals now days in general is so many people don’t know or understand the differences in extracts and some companies just do the cheapest thing they possibly can for sales purposes. I understand why, cheap sells. The problem is when they don’t work, people talk negatively about an ingredient in general without context.
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That makes total sense, but I may be a little confused on the standardized part now. I thought when something is standardized, it’s only made with a certain percentage of active ingredient. So I thought the 100:1 extract wasn’t standardized and would be a ratio extract? So the 100:1 extract is standardized too?
 
3ChainedAminos said:
That makes total sense, but I may be a little confused on the standardized part now. I thought when something is standardized, it’s only made with a certain percentage of active ingredient. So I thought the 100:1 extract wasn’t standardized and would be a ratio extract? So the 100:1 extract is standardized too?
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Blackstone labs didn’t say anything about standardization.

The barlowes one has anti-inflammatory properties and antioxidants.

The one in testrol (GAT) says

Androgen Receptor Growth and Sex HormoneOptimization Matrix:


Eucommia bark extract and Atractylodes root extract

Atractylodes:
focusing on digestive harmony and Eucommia on bone/metabolic health, acting synergistically to support overall vitality and address conditions like inflammation, obesity, and weak constitutions.
 
DaveMcNaul said:
Blackstone labs didn’t say anything about standardization.

The barlowes one has anti-inflammatory properties and antioxidants.

The one in testrol (GAT) says

Androgen Receptor Growth and Sex HormoneOptimization Matrix:


Eucommia bark extract and Atractylodes root extract

Atractylodes:
focusing on digestive harmony and Eucommia on bone/metabolic health, acting synergistically to support overall vitality and address conditions like inflammation, obesity, and weak constitutions.
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So maybe there’s multiple actives in it that cause the effects?
 
3ChainedAminos said:
That makes total sense, but I may be a little confused on the standardized part now. I thought when something is standardized, it’s only made with a certain percentage of active ingredient. So I thought the 100:1 extract wasn’t standardized and would be a ratio extract? So the 100:1 extract is standardized too?
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What I meant is that they're claiming that it has bodybuilding benefits associated with ratio extracts but then standardizing it for Chlorogenic Acid, which may have some health benefits - but if one wants Chlorogenic Acid, then Green Coffee Bean has a very high % of it.
 
sns8778 said:
What I meant is that they're claiming that it has bodybuilding benefits associated with ratio extracts but then standardizing it for Chlorogenic Acid, which may have some health benefits - but if one wants Chlorogenic Acid, then Green Coffee Bean has a very high % of it.
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Ahh I see, didn’t know it it was the same active
 
3ChainedAminos said:
Ahh I see, didn’t know it it was the same active
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It's not - that was my point. Sorry, I should have explained better in my first post. I wasn't trying to be technical, I was just trying to save people money that would look at this one and think that it was going to be the same as Blackstone's for example or the type we use in Anabolic XT.
  • Most herbs can be standardized for more than 1 thing.
  • In most cases, you may want a particular active to do a particular thing.
  • In some cases, a ratio extract is great because it may not be known exactly which, or may be a combination of different actives that do a particular thing.
That's what can make herbals so complicated to understand.

In this case, they are emphasizing the Chlorogenic Acid standardization - which is why I said that it was surprising to see them do that and also try to emphasize the bodybuilding aspects.

For example:
  • A bottle of Barlowe's Eucommia contains 9,000 mg. Chlorogenic Acid per bottle
    • 60 capsules x 600 mg. per capsule x 25% Chlorogenic Acid = 9,000 mg.
  • A bottle of SNS Green Coffee Bean Extract contains 18,000 mg. Chlorogenic Acid per bottle
    • 90 capsules x 400 mg. per capsule x 50% Chlorogenic Acid = 18,000 mg.
So, each bottle of Green Coffee Bean Extract contains double the amount of Chlorogenic Acid and we sell 12 bottles for 39.99 - https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/green-coffee-bean-extract-12-bottle-super-sale/

^^^ and I could tell you all about the health benefits and potential fat loss benefits of chlorogenic acid, but I would never tell you that chlorogenic acid is going to be anabolic or build muscle.

This is one of those things where I don't care one way or the other, I was just trying to help people trying to figure it out save money and it's also an example of why a lot of brands don't bother to do single ingredient herbals anymore because someone will always come along and use the cheapest raw materials possible and make claims based on the better forms. And that's not a knock against anyone in particular, I just get asked all the time if we will do this or that and that's my answer a lot of times and I've been asked why a lot of other brands no longer do single ingredient herbals and this just happens to be an example.
 
sns8778 said:
It's not - that was my point. Sorry, I should have explained better in my first post. I wasn't trying to be technical, I was just trying to save people money that would look at this one and think that it was going to be the same as Blackstone's for example or the type we use in Anabolic XT.
  • Most herbs can be standardized for more than 1 thing.
  • In most cases, you may want a particular active to do a particular thing.
  • In some cases, a ratio extract is great because it may not be known exactly which, or may be a combination of different actives that do a particular thing.
That's what can make herbals so complicated to understand.

In this case, they are emphasizing the Chlorogenic Acid standardization - which is why I said that it was surprising to see them do that and also try to emphasize the bodybuilding aspects.

For example:
  • A bottle of Barlowe's Eucommia contains 9,000 mg. Chlorogenic Acid per bottle
    • 60 capsules x 600 mg. per capsule x 25% Chlorogenic Acid = 9,000 mg.
  • A bottle of SNS Green Coffee Bean Extract contains 18,000 mg. Chlorogenic Acid per bottle
    • 90 capsules x 400 mg. per capsule x 50% Chlorogenic Acid = 18,000 mg.
So, each bottle of Green Coffee Bean Extract contains double the amount of Chlorogenic Acid and we sell 12 bottles for 39.99 - https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/green-coffee-bean-extract-12-bottle-super-sale/

^^^ and I could tell you all about the health benefits and potential fat loss benefits of chlorogenic acid, but I would never tell you that chlorogenic acid is going to be anabolic or build muscle.

This is one of those things where I don't care one way or the other, I was just trying to help people trying to figure it out save money and it's also an example of why a lot of brands don't bother to do single ingredient herbals anymore because someone will always come along and use the cheapest raw materials possible and make claims based on the better forms. And that's not a knock against anyone in particular, I just get asked all the time if we will do this or that and that's my answer a lot of times and I've been asked why a lot of other brands no longer do single ingredient herbals and this just happens to be an example.
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Very detailed. I appreciate the response. Definitely learning and you cleared that up! Do we know possibly what active in it that causes the anabolism? From what I’ve looked up, I can’t find much on it.
 
sns8778 said:
It's not - that was my point. Sorry, I should have explained better in my first post. I wasn't trying to be technical, I was just trying to save people money that would look at this one and think that it was going to be the same as Blackstone's for example or the type we use in Anabolic XT.
  • Most herbs can be standardized for more than 1 thing.
  • In most cases, you may want a particular active to do a particular thing.
  • In some cases, a ratio extract is great because it may not be known exactly which, or may be a combination of different actives that do a particular thing.
That's what can make herbals so complicated to understand.

In this case, they are emphasizing the Chlorogenic Acid standardization - which is why I said that it was surprising to see them do that and also try to emphasize the bodybuilding aspects.

For example:
  • A bottle of Barlowe's Eucommia contains 9,000 mg. Chlorogenic Acid per bottle
    • 60 capsules x 600 mg. per capsule x 25% Chlorogenic Acid = 9,000 mg.
  • A bottle of SNS Green Coffee Bean Extract contains 18,000 mg. Chlorogenic Acid per bottle
    • 90 capsules x 400 mg. per capsule x 50% Chlorogenic Acid = 18,000 mg.
So, each bottle of Green Coffee Bean Extract contains double the amount of Chlorogenic Acid and we sell 12 bottles for 39.99 - https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/green-coffee-bean-extract-12-bottle-super-sale/

^^^ and I could tell you all about the health benefits and potential fat loss benefits of chlorogenic acid, but I would never tell you that chlorogenic acid is going to be anabolic or build muscle.

This is one of those things where I don't care one way or the other, I was just trying to help people trying to figure it out save money and it's also an example of why a lot of brands don't bother to do single ingredient herbals anymore because someone will always come along and use the cheapest raw materials possible and make claims based on the better forms. And that's not a knock against anyone in particular, I just get asked all the time if we will do this or that and that's my answer a lot of times and I've been asked why a lot of other brands no longer do single ingredient herbals and this just happens to be an example.
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Ridiculous insane deal.

I don’t understand their eucommia solo ingredient, I was like why?
 
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