I'm almost done with the 8 week run at max dose...def get a joint support n run the full dose...Ive put on 12lbs dry with calories around 3200 a day n 200 g of protein...its a good base to any stack (i would def add other PH's to it),and can be used as a cutter or bulker depending on which way you go...i ran IML 1/4 andro stack with their econtrol n cycle support, and my gains werent as clean as the androbolic, and Ar1marcare run. The pump is amazing especially with mesomorph fyi, and the aggression is good in the gym...i basically work out til failure everytime. Hopefully this helps man!