Apigenin

recompme

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Recently bought some Apigenin, 50mg caps from a company that is more focused on vitamins and health supps but seems reputable. My question is how many 50mg caps should I take daily and when, pre/ post workout or just before bed etc. There's a few things I'm thinking of experimenting with (nothing that would revoke my natty status though). I'll happily document any beneficial or negative effects here. Will try Ecdysterone at some point, I have a bottle but I'm sceptical as to whether it has much in it. Also considering Uro b which looks like it work but am abit uncertain if I will try that due to usage reports about side effects on here and something to do with testicular weight reduction. Plus I'd need to find a reputable source in the UK at a reasonable price.
 
hmhh ive only taken apipure -
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tried it to 400 to 600mg. issue with yours would be knowing how much exactly you are getting.
those "healthy supps brands" don't list extracts or plants .. so your going to have to expirement it yourself at super high dosages. move away from those brands and look into real bodybuilding brands that offer more/pure stuff imo

as for usage .. apipure has great benefits from pre/post - or even just daily to help with your prostate/ai/cortisol.
i used to just split 3 dosages .. morning/mid/night and really liked the health benefits from it.
cardio in bedroom was great too lol
 
200mg a couple hours pre-bed is my usual dose, have gone up to ~400mg a day with the doses split up during the day.
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
hmhh ive only taken apipure -

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    • Apium graveolens L (whole plant)
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tried it to 400 to 600mg. issue with yours would be knowing how much exactly you are getting.
those "healthy supps brands" don't list extracts or plants .. so your going to have to expirement it yourself at super high dosages. move away from those brands and look into real bodybuilding brands that offer more/pure stuff imo

as for usage .. apipure has great benefits from pre/post - or even just daily to help with your prostate/ai/cortisol.
i used to just split 3 dosages .. morning/mid/night and really liked the health benefits from it.
cardio in bedroom was great too lol
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Well now you have mentioned bedroom stuff I think I'll have to invest in a better quality brand.
 
baldwanus said:
200mg a couple hours pre-bed is my usual dose, have gone up to ~400mg a day with the doses split up during the day.
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Same, ran the CEL apigenin at 200 mg/day a little before bed as it definitely seemed to help with sleep and relaxation. Never ran more or at another time personally, curious to see what others have to say about this. I know Dante Trudel has a product that is focused on Apigenin and he really likes it for muscle building but I thought of it as more of a health thing.
 
warnerve said:
Same, ran the CEL apigenin at 200 mg/day a little before bed as it definitely seemed to help with sleep and relaxation. Never ran more or at another time personally, curious to see what others have to say about this. I know Dante Trudel has a product that is focused on Apigenin and he really likes it for muscle building but I thought of it as more of a health thing.
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I've always used it mainly for sleep. Notice I sleep a lot deeper on it. The times I've been on higher doses than just a cap of Api-Plex is when I've used PeptiPlex and BASIS on top of it. Hard to really say if it's ever been a huge boost as far as muscle building, I've never really ran it 'solo', always with other stuff haha.
 
baldwanus said:
I've always used it mainly for sleep. Notice I sleep a lot deeper on it. The times I've been on higher doses than just a cap of Api-Plex is when I've used PeptiPlex and BASIS on top of it. Hard to really say if it's ever been a huge boost as far as muscle building, I've never really ran it 'solo', always with other stuff haha.
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Same here on both…noticeably improves sleep and have never ran it where I could tell if it was doing anything for size or strength. I have run it for most of the last two years though, the sleep and health benefits I’ve read about plus a bottle of api-plex lasting 90 days makes it very appealing to me.
 
First night on this stuff, it definitely has an impact on sleep. As soon as my head hit the pillow I was instantly asleep, normally I wake up during the night and that still happened but I fell back to sleep really quickly despite quick scrolling on my phone. I had some crazy vivid dreams like realistic, intense and scary. I might stop if nightmares continue but I'm hoping they'll transition into realistic dreams about women I fancy lol. Obvs too early to mention anything muscle etc wise. I took two 50mg caps an hour or so before bed, may reduce to 1 cap given it seems to be legit strength stuff. Prior to taking this stuff physically I'm feeling abit beat up this week, so if it has any muscular/cardio effects I should notice it pretty quick.
 
The vivid dreams are legit. I've only taken it during a cut and noticed I kept more of my strength compared to past cuts.
 
Apigenin is a great ingredient and has studies on it for a wide variety of health benefits.

CEL Api-Plex is 200 mg. per capsule and we will soon be releasing SNS Apigenin XT, which is 200 mg. per cap as well.

There really won't be a difference between the products except for size. CEL is just the bodybuilding brand and we have a good general health customer base under SNS so we felt we needed it to be under both.
 
So just a quick update muscle wise no real noticeable change, however I do enjoy practicing bodybuilder poses to try and improve my mind muscle connection (I'm a fan of maxick) now I really have a difficult time doing this particularly in my chest, however today I was able to do the poses alot more easily and felt intense contractions in my chest to a level I've never felt before. Normally I find it easier to contract my back but there too it just seemed like more intense contractions. Now I would not even classify myself as a novice lifter yet as i dont have alot of mass which makes getting that elusive mind muscle connection elusive. But it seems that the Apigenin has helped me feel it better. It's given me a motivation boost as I've been grinding away with reps and weights trying to engage my chest without really feeling it but now I think I'll be able too. On the sleep aspect the nightmares are getting too vivid, puts me off tbh.
 
recompme said:
On the sleep aspect the nightmares are getting too vivid, puts me off tbh.
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A lot of Apigenin products aren't pure Apigenin.

You said you're taking a brand that is 50 mg. per cap. That could be:
  • 50 mg. of 98%
  • 500 mg. of 10%
  • 250 mg. of 20%
With herbs, sometimes side effects aren't from the primary active, they're from the other ingredients.

We use ApiPure Apigenin in a lot of products and many here have posted about using 200 mg., 400 mg., or more and I've never heard of anyone having nightmares. Vivid dreams, yes; nightmares, no.

But what I have heard of giving nightmares to some people is Chamomile, which has Apigenin in it, but at lower potencies. So if you're taking a lower % potency one then that may be the case.
 
sns8778 said:
A lot of Apigenin products aren't pure Apigenin.

You said you're taking a brand that is 50 mg. per cap. That could be:
  • 50 mg. of 98%
  • 500 mg. of 10%
  • 250 mg. of 20%
With herbs, sometimes side effects aren't from the primary active, they're from the other ingredients.

We use ApiPure Apigenin in a lot of products and many here have posted about using 200 mg., 400 mg., or more and I've never heard of anyone having nightmares. Vivid dreams, yes; nightmares, no.

But what I have heard of giving nightmares to some people is Chamomile, which has Apigenin in it, but at lower potencies. So if you're taking a lower % potency one then that may be the case.
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Hopefully it will settle down and transition to nicer dreams. I'm looking to try a few things then pick the best performers for me. At that point I'll be after the most reputably sourced products. A lot of people say your products are legit sourced so they'll be top of the list. Unfortunately splurging at this "taster" stage isn't an option for me so I have to gamble abit on the products I use. Obvs this means I might miss out on something that is awesome that's the gamble.
 
recompme said:
Hopefully it will settle down and transition to nicer dreams. I'm looking to try a few things then pick the best performers for me. At that point I'll be after the most reputably sourced products. A lot of people say your products are legit sourced so they'll be top of the list. Unfortunately splurging at this "taster" stage isn't an option for me so I have to gamble abit on the products I use. Obvs this means I might miss out on something that is awesome that's the gamble.
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Not sure what you're currently paying for Apigenin... but Api-Plex winds up being only like ~$13 a month if you're only using 1 cap a day. Bottle will last 3 months. *Based on Predators price, others might have it a little cheaper.
 
baldwanus said:
Not sure what you're currently paying for Apigenin... but Api-Plex winds up being only like ~$13 a month if you're only using 1 cap a day. Bottle will last 3 months. *Based on Predators price, others might have it a little cheaper.
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I'm based in the UK and I'd only be running it for a month if there's no horrible side effects, followed by a washout period then onto something else. Smaller amount means it's competitive overall price wise. I'm considering urolithin b or phosphatidic acid next but I'm abit put off by both due to possible sides, might end up going with Ecdysterone.
 
recompme said:
Hopefully it will settle down and transition to nicer dreams. I'm looking to try a few things then pick the best performers for me. At that point I'll be after the most reputably sourced products. A lot of people say your products are legit sourced so they'll be top of the list. Unfortunately splurging at this "taster" stage isn't an option for me so I have to gamble abit on the products I use. Obvs this means I might miss out on something that is awesome that's the gamble.
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If the goal is to test ingredients to see how you respond to them, just remember that that only works if you're getting what you're supposed to be getting.

I'm not trying to talk you into using our products - that's a general observation to help anyone reading.

recompme said:
I'm based in the UK and I'd only be running it for a month if there's no horrible side effects, followed by a washout period then onto something else. Smaller amount means it's competitive overall price wise. I'm considering urolithin b or phosphatidic acid next but I'm abit put off by both due to possible sides, might end up going with Ecdysterone.
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The above applies to this, as there have been products on the market that claim to be Urolithin B that aren't what they are supposed to be, and the same issue is very common with Phosphatidic Acid and Ecdysterone.
 
sns8778 said:
If the goal is to test ingredients to see how you respond to them, just remember that that only works if you're getting what you're supposed to be getting.

I'm not trying to talk you into using our products - that's a general observation to help anyone reading.



The above applies to this, as there have been products on the market that claim to be Urolithin B that aren't what they are supposed to be, and the same issue is very common with Phosphatidic Acid and Ecdysterone.
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I don't disagree with you it's why I refer to it as a gamble, albeit I try to mitigate the level of risk of buying completely bunk stuff as much as possible within my budget, it is still a gamble.
 
Never noticed any nightmares from the api-plex personally, although I don’t remember a lot of dreams anyways. But definitely helped me sleep better, it’s noticeable.
 
Just a quick update, this stuff definitely helps with sleep to an extent. I usually wake up once or twice a night and that hasn't changed but I sleep deeper and feel more refreshed. It also seems to make my hair look healthier. Now on to the important bit, the muscles, I don't feel noticeably stronger but my muscles do seem more pumped up and its easier to feel them working during compound lifts. I value the feeling of them working as I'm a novice lifter and it's helpful to feel what muscles are being worked rather than trying to figure out what's been working from soreness that doesn't always develop in the days after a workout. Usually it's easier for me to get pumps in my biceps and back but really difficult in my chest and triceps. With regards to chest I think this stuff has made it easier to get pumps there. I'm not looking forward to coming off as I suspect I'll deflate back to almost 0 and it's been quite nice getting a few compliments from a weekender lass and a little bit of encouragement from the gym lads saying I look like I'm making progress.
 
Just an update decided to test out my 1 rep max on deadlift managed to deadlift 80kg plus the Olympic bar weight (not sure about weight of it) so four plates total, form was slightly sloppy. Now I've only been deadlifting a few months and then it's only every other week so I think I'm making good progress on it. Prior to this attempt my max was 60kg + the Olympic bar about two weeks ago. I'm putting the progress down to the Apigenin. I wasn't sure if it was a fluke so I tried it again and was able to lift it with slightly better form. I might not be able to get out of bed in the morning! My current weight is 10.2 stone at 5ft6
 
So I quite like Apigenin, I didn't experience any real sides other than nightmares which went away after abit. It does make me drowsy and improved my sleep abit (I wake up alot, that didn't change but slept deeper when I was). I think in the last week it kicked in with helping me strength wise. Muscle growth wise it helped with fullness and tension pretty much straight away and wether this combined with strength increases results in genuine bigger muscles only time will tell. For now I'm going to take a break from it to test out other things but I think I'll have to come back to it to test it for longer. I'm only moving quickly on as I need to find an effective anti catabolic supplement that works for me and doesn't mess with hormones. I have a bottle of Alpha cedrene and a bottle of Ursolic acid. I did consider phosphatidic acid but it seems to mess with natural LH production so it's not on my list. Life's not perfect so whilst there's no human studies on alpha it is from a recommended source CEL. Whereas the Ursolic acid does have some human research but I wasn't able to get a highly recommended source. Both then maybe a gamble for different reasons.
 
recompme said:
Whereas the Ursolic acid does have some human research but I wasn't able to get a highly recommended source.
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Cheers, I'm in the UK and I didn't fancy ordering internationally as the UK sellers are sold out. When you give it a go put a log up on here, that way we all benefit.
 
rodefeeh said:
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Advanced Recomposition Agent​

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155 Mg. Ursolic Acid Per Capsule ​

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I'm going to try it out in the coming months.
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Good timing because it should be back in stock next week I'm hoping.
 
recompme said:
Cheers, I'm in the UK and I didn't fancy ordering internationally as the UK sellers are sold out. When you give it a go put a log up on here, that way we all benefit.
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Unreal will likely place an order for it as soon as Ursa-Bolic is back in stock.
 
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