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This is NOT a sponsored log, blood work results are attached at the end. I ran Dienolone for 3 weeks. Prior to the start of the cycle, I had my cholesterol checked first in February then in September. I wanted to know how Dienolone would affect my lipids and see if it raised any liver enzymes while I was on 350mg TUDCA which I used every other day.
With that said, what I didn't plan for or expect was that a Dermacrine that I had for roughly 2 years now which was watery was totally worthless. It hasn't expired yet, I just decided to run it out before using a new one. My lab results showed test level extremely low. So I know that the old Dermacrine I used as a test base was worthless. I actually started running a new bottle of Dermacrine after my Dienolone bloodwork, the old bottle ran out.
Little history: First bloodwork: 02/07/20 (I wasn't taking anything, last time I was on cylce was in February 2019 with Msten): Prior total test not available folks, my mistake. Insurance paid for this one and Doc ordered it, didn't know it wouldn't be checked.
Total Cholesterol: 260 mg/dl (reference normal: <200)
Triglycerides: 51 mg/dl (reference normal <150)
HDL: 68 mg/dl (reference normal 40-60)
LDL: 182 mg/dl (reference normal <130)
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio: 3.8 (reference normal <5.0)
AST: 17 U/L (reference normal:5-34)
ALT: 17 U/L (reference normal :6-55)
GFR White: 79 (reference normal >60)
GFR Non White: 96 (reference normal >60)
Free T4: 1.04
RBC: 5.75 (Reference normal 4.7 - 6.0)
Creatinine, Serum: 1.1 (reference normal 0.8 - 1.4)
BUN: 13 (reference range 9-21)
BUN/Creatine Ratio: 11.8 (reference normal 8.0 - 22.0)
Prior Cholesterol results before start of cycle, I was used statins from Feb to June daily as prescribed by doc to get LDL down and from June till this time I stopped using it. I took some 3AD I had left for only a week at like 100mg, finished it and then got back on ator like 1 week before test.
9/15/2020:
Total Cholesterol: 154 mg/dl
HDL: 64 mg/dl
Triglycerides: 64mg/dl
LDL: 77 mg/dl
TC/LDL: 2.4
LDL/HDL: 1.2
I started Dienogen cycle on 9/15/20. The blood work after 3 weeks is attached for your viewing.
Supplements I was taking on cycle:
TUDCA 350mg (The first two weeks, I took it every other day, the last week before blood work I took it consistently for last 3 days before blood work).
Magnesium (400mg) every day
Vitamin D (5000iu) every day
Fish Oil(3600mg) everyday
Choline Inositol (500mg) everyday
Saw Palmetto (1200mg) every day
Calcium (1200mg) every day
Vitamin B6 (300mg) Three times a week at maximum
Iron Legion Virtus (0.6 or 0.7ml every day)
Atorvastatin (10mg every other day, I dosed Dienogen in the morning and took this at night every other day not everyday, When I didn't take this, I took Red Yeast Rice. Sometimes I didn't atorvastatin as planned as instead used RYR so I took RYR more than I took Ator overall)
Red Yeast Rice (1200mg every other day. Again, I alternated between this and Atorvastatin and didn't dose at the same time as Dienogen)
Citrus Bergamot (1000mg per day, I didn't take it for the first two weeks)
Celery Seed Extract (Took this last week before test but then again, I had no high blood pressure whatsoever so I didn't need it)
Ginger Root Extract (I have liquid, this was being taken to prevent LDL oxidation every day at 4ml per day in my drinks, might try Helios is the future)
Summary:
Overall for me my Cholesterol was better than I thought, my HDL decreased but it didn't crash at all, I was expecting it to be at 14 range or 9 or something, I was surprised. My LDL actually went up but this is nothing I was expecting it in the 200 by now All AAS increase LDL. Liver enzymes were normal on Dienogen for 3 weeks. Test base not good, glad I got blood work. But it also translates as Dienogen being suppresive but it's an AAS so that's what's expected. SERM is needed for PCT not OTC stuff.
Support supplements I took worked like magic, and I experienced no liver toxicity like Bro science would have you believe with something like this combined with a statin. I will say this though, I ran my Dienogen at 2ml per day and it's not a methylated compound but with AAS that doesn't mean they won't affect your liver. I must give a lot of credit to Citrus Bergamota, Fish Oil and even the ginger root. Iron Legion Virtus, oh my goodness, this stuff is no joke for estrogen control.
My intial starting weight was 170.2lbs on 9/15/20, when I took blood last week, I was 176lb and my diet wasn't even the best, I was consuming a little over 2k calories.
When I took my bloodwork 3 weeks later I was at 176lbs, So I gained 6 pounds of muscle, I got fuller with muscles, leaner which I really liked. The test base was just not working, I was tired, I yawned frequently and I suspected that it was crap and maybe a very bad batch which I bought in 2018 and kept stored safely.
Other things:
I'm using a new batch of Dermacrine as I mentioned and right now I am running Kronos at 4ml per day. I don't know if I should get a separate Kronos blood work just to see it's effects too on bloodwork and follow up on the total T. I only have 2 bottles of it and I am almost done with one bottle. The yawning has stopped though. Not sure because If I want to run Kronos for 1 additional week to make three weeks, I'll need to order more and my plan is to run primagen after 2 weeks of Kronos that might be too much bloodwork cost if I have to order more bottles too so I'm debating whether to wait till cycle end at end of the month before new blood work. Not sure how long BOGO runs for at Apex.
I am thinking of three things:
1)Get Kronos bloodwork in two weeks to followup with Dienolone bloodwork and see how it affects lipids, total testosterone.
2)Order an additional bottle of Kronos, get one Dienogen bottle with BOGO, run Kronos for an extra week, get bloodwork then get back on Dienogen for last 1 week too?
3) Run kronos and Primagen then get bloodwork at end of the month only
Which option is better?
With that said, what I didn't plan for or expect was that a Dermacrine that I had for roughly 2 years now which was watery was totally worthless. It hasn't expired yet, I just decided to run it out before using a new one. My lab results showed test level extremely low. So I know that the old Dermacrine I used as a test base was worthless. I actually started running a new bottle of Dermacrine after my Dienolone bloodwork, the old bottle ran out.
Little history: First bloodwork: 02/07/20 (I wasn't taking anything, last time I was on cylce was in February 2019 with Msten): Prior total test not available folks, my mistake. Insurance paid for this one and Doc ordered it, didn't know it wouldn't be checked.
Total Cholesterol: 260 mg/dl (reference normal: <200)
Triglycerides: 51 mg/dl (reference normal <150)
HDL: 68 mg/dl (reference normal 40-60)
LDL: 182 mg/dl (reference normal <130)
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio: 3.8 (reference normal <5.0)
AST: 17 U/L (reference normal:5-34)
ALT: 17 U/L (reference normal :6-55)
GFR White: 79 (reference normal >60)
GFR Non White: 96 (reference normal >60)
Free T4: 1.04
RBC: 5.75 (Reference normal 4.7 - 6.0)
Creatinine, Serum: 1.1 (reference normal 0.8 - 1.4)
BUN: 13 (reference range 9-21)
BUN/Creatine Ratio: 11.8 (reference normal 8.0 - 22.0)
Prior Cholesterol results before start of cycle, I was used statins from Feb to June daily as prescribed by doc to get LDL down and from June till this time I stopped using it. I took some 3AD I had left for only a week at like 100mg, finished it and then got back on ator like 1 week before test.
9/15/2020:
Total Cholesterol: 154 mg/dl
HDL: 64 mg/dl
Triglycerides: 64mg/dl
LDL: 77 mg/dl
TC/LDL: 2.4
LDL/HDL: 1.2
I started Dienogen cycle on 9/15/20. The blood work after 3 weeks is attached for your viewing.
Supplements I was taking on cycle:
TUDCA 350mg (The first two weeks, I took it every other day, the last week before blood work I took it consistently for last 3 days before blood work).
Magnesium (400mg) every day
Vitamin D (5000iu) every day
Fish Oil(3600mg) everyday
Choline Inositol (500mg) everyday
Saw Palmetto (1200mg) every day
Calcium (1200mg) every day
Vitamin B6 (300mg) Three times a week at maximum
Iron Legion Virtus (0.6 or 0.7ml every day)
Atorvastatin (10mg every other day, I dosed Dienogen in the morning and took this at night every other day not everyday, When I didn't take this, I took Red Yeast Rice. Sometimes I didn't atorvastatin as planned as instead used RYR so I took RYR more than I took Ator overall)
Red Yeast Rice (1200mg every other day. Again, I alternated between this and Atorvastatin and didn't dose at the same time as Dienogen)
Citrus Bergamot (1000mg per day, I didn't take it for the first two weeks)
Celery Seed Extract (Took this last week before test but then again, I had no high blood pressure whatsoever so I didn't need it)
Ginger Root Extract (I have liquid, this was being taken to prevent LDL oxidation every day at 4ml per day in my drinks, might try Helios is the future)
Summary:
Overall for me my Cholesterol was better than I thought, my HDL decreased but it didn't crash at all, I was expecting it to be at 14 range or 9 or something, I was surprised. My LDL actually went up but this is nothing I was expecting it in the 200 by now All AAS increase LDL. Liver enzymes were normal on Dienogen for 3 weeks. Test base not good, glad I got blood work. But it also translates as Dienogen being suppresive but it's an AAS so that's what's expected. SERM is needed for PCT not OTC stuff.
Support supplements I took worked like magic, and I experienced no liver toxicity like Bro science would have you believe with something like this combined with a statin. I will say this though, I ran my Dienogen at 2ml per day and it's not a methylated compound but with AAS that doesn't mean they won't affect your liver. I must give a lot of credit to Citrus Bergamota, Fish Oil and even the ginger root. Iron Legion Virtus, oh my goodness, this stuff is no joke for estrogen control.
My intial starting weight was 170.2lbs on 9/15/20, when I took blood last week, I was 176lb and my diet wasn't even the best, I was consuming a little over 2k calories.
When I took my bloodwork 3 weeks later I was at 176lbs, So I gained 6 pounds of muscle, I got fuller with muscles, leaner which I really liked. The test base was just not working, I was tired, I yawned frequently and I suspected that it was crap and maybe a very bad batch which I bought in 2018 and kept stored safely.
Other things:
I'm using a new batch of Dermacrine as I mentioned and right now I am running Kronos at 4ml per day. I don't know if I should get a separate Kronos blood work just to see it's effects too on bloodwork and follow up on the total T. I only have 2 bottles of it and I am almost done with one bottle. The yawning has stopped though. Not sure because If I want to run Kronos for 1 additional week to make three weeks, I'll need to order more and my plan is to run primagen after 2 weeks of Kronos that might be too much bloodwork cost if I have to order more bottles too so I'm debating whether to wait till cycle end at end of the month before new blood work. Not sure how long BOGO runs for at Apex.
I am thinking of three things:
1)Get Kronos bloodwork in two weeks to followup with Dienolone bloodwork and see how it affects lipids, total testosterone.
2)Order an additional bottle of Kronos, get one Dienogen bottle with BOGO, run Kronos for an extra week, get bloodwork then get back on Dienogen for last 1 week too?
3) Run kronos and Primagen then get bloodwork at end of the month only
Which option is better?
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