No clue but I picked up some of their UltraSten (msten). Won't be using it for a while though. Figured i'd pick it up while it was still available and pretty cheap
I ran it for 4 weeks before my last show cause I got it for free. D-zine for the first 2 weeks and their dmz/Msten combo the last 2. I think it was bunk. I noticed no real difference even when I added carbs back.
Also tried their osta in the past and wasn't impressed either.
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