Universals products are old and outdated. I remember when I first started working out I believed all of the crap that the reps were telling me so I went out and bought Pak, Pump, Omega, Flex. I was taking like 30+ pills a day and was feeling like crap. I've tired Pak, Pump, Omega, Flex, Nitro, PM, EAA nitro, BCAA's and they were all crap. The only product I like is Liver tabs. I really hope that Rage is good stuff because everything else I have tried has sucked.