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Have you gotten results from your epi product?

  • yes

    Votes: 71 64.5%

  • no

    Votes: 39 35.5%
  • Total voters
    110
Joshlm69 said:
This is so embarrassing for everyone involved, this just looks like a bunch of grown men arguing over who has the shinier Pokemon cards.

It's clear fightnews wants to cause as much disturbance as he possibly can, but you satisfying him by arguing is just as bad.
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Since I have a financial interest then I guess I should ban him. :lol:
 
Joshlm69 said:
This is so embarrassing for everyone involved, this just looks like a bunch of grown men arguing over who has the shinier Pokemon cards.

It's clear fightnews wants to cause as much disturbance as he possibly can, but you satisfying him by arguing is just as bad.
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Funny how people think anything not towing a company line is considered disturbance? I just want input from people using a supplement. If everyone voted yes would it still be considered disturbance? I think this type of thread is helpful for consumers.
 
Admin said:
You have way more people signing up to be negative, than positive...and thats goes for almost anything on the internet.
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I totally did that on Yelp just to give a bad review to this one place which I patronized and was receiving outrageously great reviews... but the place was terrible. They eventually closed.
 
Admin said:
Since I have a financial interest then I guess I should ban him. :lol:
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Please don't, I'm not trying to break any rules, just give me a warning please? I'm an intense weight lifter and I buy a chit ton of supplements. I do have knowledge about what works and what doesn't, I get results in the gym I've been doing it my whole life.
 
fightnews said:
I hope this helps clear up the situation for you since you were interested enough to jump in the conversation. Thanks for your input fenaflex is a ok in my eyes.
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thanks for that (I guess?)..dint really need all the back story, but I appreciate the point you tried to make
my whole point was simply to clarify your terminology in words/references you toss around carelessly - that's it

I too was once confused on the meaning of what was "steroid" and what was not, and had misinterpreted what a "prohormone" was, and even tried to differentiate as you do here between illegal and "legal" because it was sold OTC...and it caused me some embarrassment at one time..
simply trying to help you avoid the same issue, that is all
 
johnnybeegood said:
you're right, that's just my perception of what's going on here. i'm not sure it's accurate.
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Nothing like accusing someone of being biased based on money...
 
fightnews said:
Please don't, I'm not trying to break any rules, just give me a warning please? I'm an intense weight lifter and I buy a chit ton of supplements. I do have knowledge about what works and what doesn't, I get results in the gym I've been doing it my whole life.
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I'm going to have to ask you to think and agree with everything I say. Sorry, thats the rules.


:lol:
 
Admin said:
Thats funny since the majority of flack comes from other supplement companies.

But hey, thanks for knowing exactly what my intentions are
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Thats another good point, reps of other supps with a grudge, maybe the shills and angry reps cancel eachother out? I wish there was a way to do a poll of only people who actually use the supplement.
 
fightnews said:
What are you talking about I have posted pics multiple times and I don't use AAS?(never have never will). The furthest I'll go now a days is non methylated pro hormones. And you think I should "easily" be able to get back to where I was on heavy dosed methyl 1 test? Who's the moron? It's so funny how much sand you have in your vagina over my previous weight and accomplishments. Just know I take it as a compliment
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Curious, what "PH" have you taken in the past? Because a bunch of them are actually unclassified steroids rather than being actual PH.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
thanks for that (I guess?)..dint really need all the back story, but I appreciate the point you tried to make
my whole point was simply to clarify your terminology in words/references you toss around carelessly - that's it

I too was once confused on the meaning of what was "steroid" and what was not, and had misinterpreted what a "prohormone" was, and even tried to differentiate as you do here between illegal and "legal" because it was sold OTC...and it caused me some embarrassment at one time..
simply trying to help you avoid the same issue, that is all
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In for story time?
 
fightnews said:
In for story time?
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I'd prefer not..
simply along the lines you are doing here, thinking things are PH and legal, when they are really straight up steroid and only legal due to then-current loophole or lack of legislation to that point

here's an example today tho:
many ppl think epistane is a PH, or go around calling it a "supplement" - incorrect
it is a steroid, period
 
kissdadookie said:
I totally did that on Yelp just to give a bad review to this one place which I patronized and was receiving outrageously great reviews... but the place was terrible. They eventually closed.
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Then their should be a ****load of negative reviews about this so far.... :)
 
kissdadookie said:
Curious, what "PH" have you taken in the past? Because a bunch of them are actually unclassified steroids rather than being actual PH.
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I know methyl 1 test was a steroid, i used it for about 6 months before the ban but I used biotest mag10 prohormone religiously for like 2 years. I also dabbled with ergopharm 1 ad. Prob tried some others but those were what I used mostly before the ban. Those were great times to be lifting weights. Nothing like going to the dym jacked up on mag10(the real one not the protein they have now), 1AD and a couple xenadrine when there was ephedra in it. You wanna talk crazy workouts and results holy hell. Those were the best times I feel bad for people who missed it. fuking goverment and baseball ruined it for everyone.
 
Admin said:
Then their should be a ****load of negative reviews about this so far.... :)
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Bwah ha ha ha. Well, in my book, however good or bad (-)epi is, it's nowhere near as bad as paying $8 for a "burger" only slightly larger than a White Castle but with a hole punched out of the middle of the patty in an effort to create a more even cook on the patty. Also they used really lean beef. Nope, hard to beat that one :P
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
I'd prefer not..
simply along the lines you are doing here, thinking things are PH and legal, when they are really straight up steroid and only legal due to then-current loophole or lack of legislation to that point

here's an example today tho:
many ppl think epistane is a PH, or go around calling it a "supplement" - incorrect
it is a steroid, period
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Point taken, I do understand and know the difference. My whole thing is anything methylated isn't worth taking because of the hepatotoxicity though I know they do work. And I personally don't want to do anything injectable but if say mag10 was still around I would use it in a heartbeat.
 
fightnews said:
Point taken, I do understand and know the difference. My whole thing is anything methylated isn't worth taking because of the hepatotoxicity though I know they do work. And I personally don't want to do anything injectable but if say mag10 was still around I would use it in a heartbeat.
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Epistane is pretty mild on toxicity but strong as chit. It's methylated.
 
fightnews said:
Point taken, I do understand and know the difference. My whole thing is anything methylated isn't worth taking because of the hepatotoxicity though I know they do work. And I personally don't want to do anything injectable but if say mag10 was still around I would use it in a heartbeat.
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mod edit: last warning.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
aaand there's the concurrent childish mentality of those who publicly post neg comments or PM communications:
the ever-present childish name-calling that accompanies such frivolous banter
(SIGH)

wow dude, I think u mad
frankly, I don't care for fightnews either, if you had read this thread in its entirety you may have picked it up..
so what? has nothing to do with how worked up YOU are getting over this ordeal, does it?

I have no issue with you personally, seen you around a bit, seem like a solid guy -
and if you think this is personal, well I don't know what to tell you, it's not
it is an example of ppl participating in an activity that I personally dislike and find laughable (posting negs publicly), and I was in the mood to say something about it...if you want to get hurt and take it personally, hey whatever floats your boat bud, good luck with your negativity and low self-esteem

I'm done here, take care
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Hey man, why do you have to hurt my feelings?
 
kissdadookie said:
Epistane is pretty mild on toxicity but strong as chit. It's methylated.
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Whats pretty mild though? I have had fatty liver in the past, I mean it might be pretty mild compared to say superdrol but it's still toxic right? Would you say it's worse then taking aleve dose for dose?
 
Sean1332 said:
Has Myosynergy been mentioned in this thread at all? Just curious. Too many pages of b.s. to filter through lol
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Not really
 
fightnews said:
Whats pretty mild though? I have had fatty liver in the past, I mean it might be pretty mild compared to say superdrol but it's still toxic right? Would you say it's worse then taking aleve dose for dose?
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I mean like as in you can run the stuff for pretty long cycles (6-8 weeks) and most likely you'll feel God awful due to knocking your estrogen levels to oblivion from it, probably start having pretty painful joints, probably feel lethargic as all heck (usually if you don't have a something that aromatizes as a base to maintain some level of estrogen).

As Admin mentioned though, some people report not responding to the stuff. Out of the current compounds available, there appears to be a higher rate of "non-responders" to epistane relative to other stuff still on the market.
 
kissdadookie said:
I mean like as in you can run the stuff for pretty long cycles (6-8 weeks) and most likely you'll feel God awful due to knocking your estrogen levels to oblivion from it, probably start having pretty painful joints, probably feel lethargic as all heck (usually if you don't have a something that aromatizes as a base to maintain some level of estrogen).

As Admin mentioned though, some people report not responding to the stuff. Out of the current compounds available, there appears to be a higher rate of "non-responders" to epistane relative to other stuff still on the market.
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My main concern is liver toxicity, I know its supposed to be mild but its still hard on the liver correct? I'm going to do some research on it again but im not really interested in taking it even with a slight chance of liver damage. I just don't need it I don't even want to get that big again anyway.
 
kissdadookie said:
As Admin mentioned though, some people report not responding to the stuff. Out of the current compounds available, there appears to be a higher rate of "non-responders" to epistane relative to other stuff still on the market.
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the only "non-responders" to that steroid, are the morons who take the pill and then sit around on their couches eating their Cheesy Poofs and MickeyDs and not working out, thinking since they are on it they will just GROW muscles....

that said - I think there was some poor quality compound on the market for awhile, some questionable companies that tried to sell pixie dust and label it as epi

there are no "non-responders" to steroids
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
the only "non-responders" to that steroid, are the morons who take the pill and then sit around on their couches eating their Cheesy Poofs and MickeyDs and not working out, thinking since they are on it they will just GROW muscles....

that said - I think there was some poor quality compound on the market for awhile, some questionable companies that tried to sell pixie dust and label it as epi

there are no "non-responders" to steroids
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There are actually no non-responders to anything. You should have some gains and/or growth without anything so if you state a supplement did nothing and saw no gains, then the problem isn't the supplement. There is a guy that said it was no different than his creatine or nothing....HUH?!?!?!

Check the logs brah...
 
in case anyone is interested the poll stands at 55 to 32.
 
fightnews said:
My main concern is liver toxicity, I know its supposed to be mild but its still hard on the liver correct? I'm going to do some research on it again but im not really interested in taking it even with a slight chance of liver damage. I just don't need it I don't even want to get that big again anyway.
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mod edit: ba bye
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
the only "non-responders" to that steroid, are the morons who take the pill and then sit around on their couches eating their Cheesy Poofs and MickeyDs and not working out, thinking since they are on it they will just GROW muscles....

that said - I think there was some poor quality compound on the market for awhile, some questionable companies that tried to sell pixie dust and label it as epi

there are no "non-responders" to steroids
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Good point, I suppose some of that feedback probably did stem from poor quality products that were circulating.
 
fightnews said:
My main concern is liver toxicity, I know its supposed to be mild but its still hard on the liver correct? I'm going to do some research on it again but im not really interested in taking it even with a slight chance of liver damage. I just don't need it I don't even want to get that big again anyway.
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Even non-methlylated compounds could place some stress on your liver. Really depends on the compound you're running. Preferably don't run any of them if you have some iffy liver issues to begin with.
 
kissdadookie said:
Good point, I suppose some of that feedback probably did stem from poor quality products that were circulating.
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Having run this place for over a decade and working in the IT field before that, I can almost guarantee you have more "user error" than poor quality.
 
thebigt said:
in case anyone is interested the poll stands at 55 to 32.
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that's from muddled folks slipping over from bb.com because they have so many threads on creatine they've trouble in lucidity now they're overwrought that other sites sometimes have a bit of progression :)
 
Admin said:
Having run this place for over a decade and working in the IT field before that, I can almost guarantee you have more "user error" than poor quality.
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I also agree with that :D

I think a lot of people think that if you pop a few pills and just sit there, you are supposed to magically turn into the Hulk :P Or if you lift pink dumbbells and pop the pills, that is supposed to turn you into the Wolverine :P
 
Touey said:
that's from muddled folks slipping over from bb.com because they have so many threads on creatine they've trouble in lucidity now they're overwrought that other sites sometimes have a bit of progression :)
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that is funny that you mention bb.com and creatine....a few years ago i posted there what great results i had on aps mesomorph and creatine nitrate, all the hotshots there said don't waste your money-mono is all you need!!! they would not even consider that creatine nitrate would be better than mono...i haven't been to that site since then!!! bunch of knowitall chumps, imo.
 
thebigt said:
that is funny that you mention bb.com and creatine....a few years ago i posted there what great results i had on aps mesomorph and creatine nitrate, all the hotshots there said don't waste your money-mono is all you need!!! they would not even consider that creatine nitrate would be better than mono...i haven't been to that site since then!!! bunch of knowitall chumps, imo.
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I still think the same view is apparent on this board though, mono is mono, if that's not true id like to see some evidence. Not in a skeptical way just if it's true I'd be up for giving a different creatine a go
 
Joshlm69 said:
I still think the same view is apparent on this board though, mono is mono, if that's not true id like to see some evidence. Not in a skeptical way just if it's true I'd be up for giving a different creatine a go
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lol...what do you want...a poll:saroll:
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
the only "non-responders" to that steroid, are the morons who take the pill and then sit around on their couches eating their Cheesy Poofs and MickeyDs and not working out, thinking since they are on it they will just GROW muscles....

that said - I think there was some poor quality compound on the market for awhile, some questionable companies that tried to sell pixie dust and label it as epi

there are no "non-responders" to steroids
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LMAO!
 
fightnews said:
Not in my opinion they are better then nothing, I would say your log is more meaningless then, which its not, Since it convinced me to buy folidrone, This will help people decide if they want to spend their money on this or something more effective like phosphatidic acid. You guys think its meaningless in the big picture compared to what (scientific studies) but it's better then logs which most people go buy and thats only 1 person usually who got free product. without something like this one might think the stuff is getting no bad reviews do to some of the posting in the forum. don't be haters on something thats pro consumer. It might not be perfect but at least its something. most people usually go by 1 or 2 reviews
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Whos logs or reviews are you paying the most attention to? To those who did log and weren't seeing the results they wanted for their goals did you ask anyone for help or information on things to try differently? I honestly haven't seen one log that actually showed the individual seeing no positive change in their regimen or lifestyle and I haven't seen much on Side Effects aside from overreaching which I had a case with. I ask because that to me carries alot more weight than a blind "it didn't work for me" with nothing else behind it. Not every sup. will blow away our minds, hell nothing is as great on paper as in real life in 2014 but I will be damned if an individual can honestly say they introduced a new sup in a greater concentration of an ingredient and say NOTHING changed. Idc if its blowing down the toilet for hours lol its something

hurdlemaker said:
Fightnews comparing your poll to toueys log is like comparing a cheap porn flyer to a dictionary. This poll is about as useful as something that's going to get used to wipe a bums ass. Touey made me want to try (-)-epi, you make me wonder is phosphatidic acid is even worth looking into. There are a lot more people having positive results using (-)-epi than people that aren't seeing any results. I'm almost inclined to believe that a lot of people not seeing results are severely lacking in the training or diet department. Surely not u having benched 455x10 easily "back when good prohormones were available" lol. But to be blunt this pool is crap.
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The fact this comparison was even made is quite rude and ridiculous. 455 for 10 reps? Did this really happen or have I missed something somewhere


fightnews said:
Why are you so butt hurt over my PR's??? You think I'm lying because you could never do it? Nice logic, And obviously no there aren't "A LOT" more people having results as this poll shows and this is the place the epi hype pretty much started. On other boards the poll would be more in favor of it not working. Touey is just 1 guy (great guy though) and the poll is almost 100 people. How are 100 opinions useless compared to 1 guy?

Those 100 opinions are exactly that. Just a one word opinion based on what? What was their goal? Did they even care enough to change anything in their lifestyle? Hell DO THEY EVEN LIFT BRAH! lol I couldn't resist


BillyD said:
Banned for trying to trade a Liquid Serm....has nothing to do with a product working. Every one hyped up Epic to be amazing and ppl gaining 20 lbs...I used it and lifted as I normally do and I didn't notice anything out of ordinary.
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Epic and a 20lb increase on this forum who was this person? Anyone know since hes banned.

Admin said:
There are actually no non-responders to anything. You should have some gains and/or growth without anything so if you state a supplement did nothing and saw no gains, then the problem isn't the supplement. There is a guy that said it was no different than his creatine or nothing....HUH?!?!?!

Check the logs brah...
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I did see the Creatine joke or at least I hope he was joking

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Oh hellz yes lol

Ok I think Im caught up again
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TheMovement said:
Whos logs or reviews are you paying the most attention to? To those who did log and weren't seeing the results they wanted for their goals did you ask anyone for help or information on things to try differently? I honestly haven't seen one log that actually showed the individual seeing no positive change in their regimen or lifestyle and I haven't seen much on Side Effects aside from overreaching which I had a case with. I ask because that to me carries alot more weight than a blind "it didn't work for me" with nothing else behind it. Not every sup. will blow away our minds, hell nothing is as great on paper as in real life in 2014 but I will be damned if an individual can honestly say they introduced a new sup in a greater concentration of an ingredient and say NOTHING changed. Idc if its blowing down the toilet for hours lol its something
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Man according to your logic every supp should work otherwise you are doing something wrong. You appeal to probability – when you take something for granted because it would probably be the case (or might be the case)

You are also cherry picking. If the log showed positive outcome then the person is doing something right, and if not then its the fault of the logger and not the supp.

Please..............
 
x_muscle said:
Man according to your logic every supp should work otherwise you are doing something wrong. You appeal to probability – when you take something for granted because it would probably be the case (or might be the case)

You are also cherry picking. If the log showed positive outcome then the person is doing something right, and if not then its the fault of the logger and not the supp.

Please..............
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Please what? no not every supp works simply because science and information can change at anytime especially with more research being performed. Now anyone can get lucky that's not out of the question, BUT the claim that an individual notices NOTHING is ridiculous. As far as the cherry picking its an open discussion thread soooo....... Im going to just continue picking away

Like I said I would much rather see a log of an individual who didn't see the results they wanted. Hence to see what they attempted to change for more information nothing more or less. Heck having an idea or understanding of why their choice didn't work is much better than an "I saw nothing".
 
x_muscle said:
Man according to your logic every supp should work otherwise you are doing something wrong. You appeal to probability – when you take something for granted because it would probably be the case (or might be the case)

You are also cherry picking. If the log showed positive outcome then the person is doing something right, and if not then its the fault of the logger and not the supp.

Please..............
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Actually, I am just looking at what you said.

But my advances were not too differernt than being on creatine or even nothing
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So its not any different than creatine? In most circles, thats pretty damn good.
 
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