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Anyone had new gyno on SD?

Anyone had new gyno start from using SD ?

  • I've only ever used SD and didn't get gyno

    Votes: 201 58.8%

  • I've only ever used SD and did get gyno

    Votes: 84 24.6%

  • I used SD and got gyno but I did have it before

    Votes: 57 16.7%
  • Total voters
    342
I've used a few different products since I first started lifting 5 years ago and I get a little Gyno and on my last cycle it was m1t/sd and I had to use Nolvadex half way through the cycle and for PCT I used Nolva and Gasparis Novadex, but I do not think it was caused just because of the SD I would have got it if I just took M1T alone.
 
i had taken M1T but it was not until after taking SD that i developed a lil bit of gyno may have been a combonation of the two but i'm not sure
 
Matt_Stuart said:
I've used a few different products since I first started lifting 5 years ago and I get a little Gyno and on my last cycle it was m1t/sd and I had to.........QUOTE]


do you mean two methyl at the same time, if so, why?:blink:


one other thing i don't understand, how can you get gyno from a methyl?
plus, it doesn't convert ( or not supposed too ).

i spoke with someone who's in the business for the past 30 years, i'm too doesn't understand..... something is wrong here!!!
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Beatmaster said:
one other thing i don't understand, how can you get gyno from a methyl?
plus, it doesn't convert ( or not supposed too ).
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SD must increase prolactin. Who knows. Thats the problem. These new designer steroids dont have lots of studies to explain all the effects they have on the human body. Thats what this board is for.
 
Not on SD but, got painful nips on PP though. Fixed during PCT therapy. BTW, have done more then 1 cycle of SD/PP.
 
Sky9 said:
Its the start to estrogen related gyno. Its not gladular, but indicates that estrogen is bound to the receptors causing some symptoms of tissue growth starting. It is completely reversabe with nolva or raloxifene, heck ATD may even take care of it. You just need to starve the breast tissue of estrogen for a little, whatever mechanism you use is fine. AI's work all over the body, SERM's work in just one particular area, hence the name selective estrogen receptor modulator. You'll be fine, just drag out your PCT a little further with small doses until you feel comfortable that your body's natural homeostasis is back in check. This happens to me everytime I use SD or ergo or anything else. I started using AI' while on cycle to help with this and keeping a SERM on hand in case I get a flare up. So far I have been fine. Just keep your preventative ancillaries on hand before starting any cycle and you'll be just fine. The bumps are just hair folicles and the itchyness will subside once you reduce your estrogen in the tissue. Also if you genetically hold chest fat in that area, it will make your nips appear to be puffy. Try cutting fat to see if it is just fat in the chest area. I battle this too, but once I get and stay within 10% bf its all good. Hope this helps.
Sky
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Out of curiousity what Ai do you run on cycle? and what does the dosing scheme look like?
 
gogo said:
Out of curiousity what Ai do you run on cycle? and what does the dosing scheme look like?
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I would recommend using ATD at 50mg ED during a superdrol cycle and then using nolvadex for PCT.
 
ok, yeah, i beleive tamoxifen is a must for pct but you think running and Ai would be better than a serm on cycle?
 
gogo said:
ok, yeah, i beleive tamoxifen is a must for pct but you think running and Ai would be better than a serm on cycle?
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Rule of thumb is AI while on cycle, SERM for PCT. Its the best way to go. If you encounter gyno while on cycle, even with an AI, use raloxifene, it works extremely well for controlling and reversing gyno. I used it during my Emax/ATD cycle when I had some puffiness and it knocked it out flat.
 
Sky9 said:
Rule of thumb is AI while on cycle, SERM for PCT. Its the best way to go. If you encounter gyno while on cycle, even with an AI, use raloxifene, it works extremely well for controlling and reversing gyno. I used it during my Emax/ATD cycle when I had some puffiness and it knocked it out flat.
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Alright thanks for the info, so you still got some puffyness on your Emax cycle even with the ATD huh...****ty, so did you use the raloxifene for your pct as well?
 
hey sky9 when you say AI you mean anti-estrogen I suppose.. This would be to prevent gyno while on a cycle such as SD correct? what AI's do you reccomend
 
biggabe said:
hey sky9 when you say AI you mean anti-estrogen I suppose.. This would be to prevent gyno while on a cycle such as SD correct? what AI's do you reccomend
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AI stands for aromatase inhibitor. The aromatase enzyme is the enzyme created in the body that makes estrogen out of other hormones (test). By taking an AI it will bind to that enzyme and keep it from changing other hormones into estrogen, therefore lowering the body's blood serum levels of estrogen. This can either be a permenant binding by steroidal AI's (aromasin, ATD, 6OXO) or non permenant binding by non-steroidal AI's (letro, arimidex).

Conversly to this there are SERM's (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators) which are tissue specific and block estrogen at the receptor level, mostly in breast tissue. Nolvadex, Tormifene, Clomid, Raloxifene are some examples of this.

Good rule of thumb is to take an AI while on cycle to control, not kill, estrogen; and to use a SERM for PCT.
 
gogo said:
Alright thanks for the info, so you still got some puffyness on your Emax cycle even with the ATD huh...****ty, so did you use the raloxifene for your pct as well?
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I am just estrogen sensitive I guess. Anyways, raloxifene has not been proven in studies to significantly restore HPTA functionality. This means that it should not be used for PCT, but only as a gyno buster either while on cycle if the AI isnt enough, or off cycle to reduce puffiness/lumps.
 
Sky9 said:
I am just estrogen sensitive I guess. Anyways, raloxifene has not been proven in studies to significantly restore HPTA functionality. This means that it should not be used for PCT, but only as a gyno buster either while on cycle if the AI isnt enough, or off cycle to reduce puffiness/lumps.
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Gotcha, and thanks. There is some awsome info in this thread
So you beleive that raloxifene takes care of gyno better then Nolva? But you beleive Nolva is better of for pct because of the fact that it help you bounce back from being shut down alot better?
 
gogo said:
Gotcha, and thanks. There is some awsome info in this thread
So you beleive that raloxifene takes care of gyno better then Nolva? But you beleive Nolva is better of for pct because of the fact that it help you bounce back from being shut down alot better?
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You got it.
 
I did a 4 week cycle of SD earlier this year 10/20/20/20. No gyno or anything to give me a clue that it was there.
 
Hi Guys,

I need help, I started my first cycle of m1t about a year ago, my first cycle was only m1t, 4 weeks then took 6oxo for about 6 weeks and then again m1t, stopped for 3 months , did a cycle again withh m1t and 4ad (I wanted to fight letargy with 4ad), it was my last cycle, I took 60x0 for about 3 months, I was feeling a real disconfort at that time, my nipples were very very sensitive and fuller. What should I do now? I heard about nolva but I have no idea where to order this as I am in france. Please guys It would be great if you could post some advices.
 
frenchienyc said:
Hi Guys,

I need help, I started my first cycle of m1t about a year ago, my first cycle was only m1t, 4 weeks then took 6oxo for about 6 weeks and then again m1t, stopped for 3 months , did a cycle again withh m1t and 4ad (I wanted to fight letargy with 4ad), it was my last cycle, I took 60x0 for about 3 months, I was feeling a real disconfort at that time, my nipples were very very sensitive and fuller. What should I do now? I heard about nolva but I have no idea where to order this as I am in france. Please guys It would be great if you could post some advices.
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Wow , i dont even know what to say, 6oxo is def not enough for pct, and you did two back to back m1t cycles? not good dude, all i can say is to look at one of the board sponsers and order some nolva asap 6oxo is not strong enough for fighting gyno.
So for nolva go to Invalid Link Removed its a board sponser.
 
gogo said:
Wow , i dont even know what to say, 6oxo is def not enough for pct, and you did two back to back m1t cycles? not good dude, all i can say is to look at one of the board sponsers and order some nolva asap 6oxo is not strong enough for fighting gyno.
So for nolva go to its a board sponser.
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thanks! I don't find it on this website under the name of nolva :( can you help?
 
Yes, but Dr. D suggests that toremifene for PCT is actually better than Nolva... wouldn't this be the same situation???


ripped218 said:
Toremifene citrate is not nolva, tamoxifen citrate is.toremifene is fareston.
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Ronin13 said:
Yes, but Dr. D suggests that toremifene for PCT is actually better than Nolva... wouldn't this be the same situation???
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Oh yeah i just got confused and thought you meant they were both Nolva,my bad,yeah they are both beneficial.:hammer:
 
No worries - my fault, I should have mentioned that when I first replied.

ripped218 said:
Oh yeah i just got confused and thought you meant they were both Nolva,my bad,yeah they are both beneficial.:hammer:
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Ronin13 said:
No worries - my fault, I should have mentioned that when I first replied.
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ok so what should I do, is this website serious? should I go see a doctor? will he be able prescribe something?
 
At the end of the day, the situation is serious and if you utilize the recommended site or sites you can rest assured you are receiving a quality product that should definitely help with your case.

There is a ton of information on this forum regarding the advised protocol for both products. I think it is a good choice and have some on hand in case I have a similar reaction to SD. The warning on the site is required disclosure but I personally know a handful of people with similar situations whom have utilized the very same products and they have fully recovered with no ill sides.

Ultimately, if you feel you can discuss the situation fully with you doctor or maybe convince him or her it is related to puberty that never fully subsided than maybe that is the path for you.

Utilize the forum search mechanism on the two products mentioned above and let me know what you find. I am at work now but will dig a little more as well. Let me know what you find and we can circle back later today.

If anyone else doesn't mind chiming in as well, please feel free.
 
Hey guys, just thought i'd add this, I ran a 4 week cycle of sd just under a year ago followed by 4 weeks of nolva at 40/40/20/20 and i just recently (end of march) ran it again for 2 weeks at a dose of 20mg week 1 and 30 mg week 2, then 20 days of nolva at 40mg every day. This monday i felt my right nip and noticed a small round feeling bump prolly 1/3-1/4 the size of a marble, its never been there before but i've never had any symptoms for me to really get in there and play around either. Just thought i'd put it out there for you guys
 
So are all these people getting gyno not using nolva, or do they get gyno when they quit using nolva? If these people are getting gyno while using nolva thats f'd up. These people are prob using a 6-oxo pct.
 
CNorris said:
So are all these people getting gyno not using nolva, or do they get gyno when they quit using nolva? If these people are getting gyno while using nolva thats f'd up. These people are prob using a 6-oxo post cycle therapy.
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Jeez... read the post above! :blink:
 
oparedes said:
Where can I get some Nolva?

is it by prescription only?

sorry, newbbie. :rolleyes:
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It is prescrition only
One of the board sponsors do have it thou, but for research purposes only.
 
Hey guys, I've done 2 cycles of superdrol. The first cycle I did 3 weeks at 10-20-20. I had some puffiness during cycle but the Nolva I had on hand knocked it out. I got a bad stomach virus at the end of the cycle and lost most of my gains but still did my post cycle therapy with no problems.
The next cycle was 4 weeks of 20-20-20-20. This time I again got a little gyno during and again knocked it out with the Nolva. Got great gains this time and did my PCT with Nolva at 40-40-20-20. After my PCT it was about 2-3 weeks when I noticed gyno coming on...puffiness and tenderness. I hit the Nolva hard this time--60mg for a week and 40 the next and it went down some but is now back again. My SD cycle ended in March so I don't know where all this estrogen is coming from.
I didn't know about Raloxifene when I started my cycle. Is it worth trying now? I know it's late in the game but as you can see I thought the Nolva would knock it out. This is a big pain in the ass for a supp that wasn't supposed to induce gyno!!!! I really feel bad for the general public that took this without having the resourced we have here. I guess that's why it's now off the market.
 
I got delayed gyno from S.D. About a moth after usage, right nipple got itchy nd sensitive. Began letro asap and stopped itching, but i still have a small lump behind my nip.
 
I was just about to start my cycle and this ****s got me scared. Even with nolva, people are getting gyno!!?!
 
Dr. Death said:
I had the onset of gyno. Itching and tenderness.No lump. Took some nolva and went away.
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what dosage of nolva did u take? u finished ur cycle will talking nolva at the same time, then did pct ?
 
I'd also be curious about the dosage for those that report gyno. Like how many ppl dosing under 20g report it vs. those dosing over that amount.

From many of the logs I've read, the sides get much worse at or above 20g while the gains don't increase proportionately. Could it be possible that the cases of gyno follow suit?

~squid
 
I've got itchy/sensitie nipples at 20/30 mg of SD a day, at week 2, nothing to worry about yet, and I aint gonna just drop in some nolva with this side effect. All steroids show sides. I dont a g a week of test and never noticed any nipple stuff... Could be prolactin, could be estrogen, could be progesterin, couldbe anything on these designer supps, hard to know. Until I start getting a growth or swole, I am just gonna ignore it as a side. l

I got supprot sort supss (nolva/torem/Atd) so that covers most things but not all.
 
Nolva

gogo said:
Wow , i dont even know what to say, 6oxo is def not enough for post cycle therapy, and you did two back to back m1t cycles? not good dude, all i can say is to look at one of the board sponsers and order some nolva asap 6oxo is not strong enough for fighting gyno.
So for nolva go to Invalid Link Removed its a board sponser.
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The site... THIS PRODUCT IS NOT FOR HUMAN USE, THIS PRODUCT CAN BE HARMFUL IF INGESTED... So is it safe?
 
Superdrol was my first cycle and on day 11 (20mg) started getting some tenderness and inflamation. I started feeling a tiny lump under my left nipple, but started taking nolva and everything went away.
Since then I've done another SD cycle, M1-alpha, masterdrol, and finadrol and never had a reoccurance.
 
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Formula94 said:
Superdrol was my first cycle and on day 11 (20mg) started getting some tenderness and inflamation. I started feeling a tiny lump under my left nipple, but started taking nolva and everything went away.
Since then I've done another superdrol cycle, M1-alpha, masterdrol, and finadrol and never had a reoccurance.
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The one you ordered from IBE?
 
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