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Dm1988

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I know normally everyone says not to do two 19nor compounds but was wondering if anyone has or would consider NPP and Tren ace in the same stack ? With proper AI and caber for prolactin. Was thinking maybe this.

1. sustanon test 700mg (12 weeks)
2. NPP 450mg (12 weeks)
3. Tren ace 200mg (10 weeks)
4. Dbol 30mg (last 4 weeks)
5. Aromasin 12.5 (3-4 times weekly)
6. Caber (on hand if needed)
 
Those first couple of weeks, you might not have enough test in your blood to offset the 19-nor. I'd do 14 weeks of Sust or use E or C. Otherwise, looks like a good time! 😃
 
I was considering 600 test, 450 deca and 150 tren e for my winter bulk, really for tren partitioning effects over anything else.

I probably won’t (and will just run the test and deca with adrol) but would be interested in your log if you do one
 
Save yourself the money and just get test cyp or enan instead of Sustanon. You can buy a box of Sustanon to jump start the cycle since it has test prop in it and it will get your test levels up fast, but enan or cyp will keep your testosterone levels stable, where Sustanon doesn't, and they're usually both cheaper options.

I would also drop the Aromasin right away since estrogen has many positive benefits and only have it on hand if you start experiencing estrogenic side effects.

Not sure about running tren and NPP. Not sure what real benefits combining those two bring to the table. I'd probably go with tren enan since you're getting the benefits of the leanness without all the extra injections.

Also dbol at the last 4 weeks? Why not at the start?
 
Save yourself the money and just get test cyp or enan instead of Sustanon. You can buy a box of Sustanon to jump start the cycle since it has test prop in it and it will get your test levels up fast, but enan or cyp will keep your testosterone levels stable, where Sustanon doesn't, and they're usually both cheaper options.

I would also drop the Aromasin right away since estrogen has many positive benefits and only have it on hand if you start experiencing estrogenic side effects.

Not sure about running tren and NPP. Not sure what real benefits combining those two bring to the table. I'd probably go with tren enan since you're getting the benefits of the leanness without all the extra injections.

Also dbol at the last 4 weeks? Why not at the start?
Already have sustanon so cost isn’t a problem and I am not risking running 700mg of test and 450mg of NPP with no AI I am also not using the dbol to start because I don’t need a kick starter both npp and Tren ace are quick acting putting it on the back end to break through a possible sticking point also the point of using the Tren with NPP would be for the great strength gains and lean gains benefit to go with it as far as not staying stable with sustanon every other day injection schedule will deff keep levels stable thanks for you reply
 
Already have sustanon so cost isn’t a problem and I am not risking running 700mg of test and 450mg of NPP with no AI I am also not using the dbol to start because I don’t need a kick starter both npp and Tren ace are quick acting putting it on the back end to break through a possible sticking point also the point of using the Tren with NPP would be for the great strength gains and lean gains benefit to go with it as far as not staying stable with sustanon every other day injection schedule will deff keep levels stable thanks for you reply

What are your goals for this cycle? I see you running massive dosages of NPP and test, so is the purpose bulk or strength?

Oh I must have missed you were running 700mg a week of test. That is quite high, and you know your own body, but estrogen can have a wide variety of benefits. Aromasin reduces 85-95% of total estrogen in the body, leaving you with very little. I would recommend a SERM like Nolvadex at 20-40mg a day or EOD to keep some of those benefits of estrogen while on cycle.
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I'd highly recommend you give these two posts a read about the benefits of estrogen while on cycle.

I posted some very long and detailed posts about the benefits of leaving your estrogen alone while on a cycle, taken from Invalid Link Removed in these two threads:



In short, estrogen has positive benefits for glucose utilization, increasing GH/IGF-1, increasing the concentration and density of androgen receptors, benefits to cardiovascular health and so forth.

People are so afraid of estrogen they start off their cycles with AIs right off the bat and I think that's crazy. There's no reason to use any type of anti-estrogen unless you start experiencing the negative side effects of it.

I've never run NPP with tren so I can't comment, but it does seem the progestogenic side effects could be problematic. Contradicting myself a little, progesterone can't form gyno except in the presence of estrogen, so your AI usage may be warranted, although I would hold off on the caber unless absolutely necessary. But the dosages you have for NPP and test just seem really really high. That combined with the tren is going to make you a pin cushion. Why run tren and NPP at the same time? It seems like the side effects would just be extreme. If I was you, I think I would pick either NPP or tren and run one or the other.

I'm still a little confused by your answer about the dbol at the end of the cycle. That seems like it's just going to bloat you up when you're planning on being on a lot of lean drugs (with the exception of the test). Why not run Winny at the end? You get the same great strength gains without the bloat and the leaning effects would be, IMO, much more aesthetically pleasing than running dbol at the end.

Also, just wanted to post this about test cyp vs Sustanon for future reference.

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Sustanon contains a blend of four esters:

30mg Propionate
Half-life approximately 3.5 days

60mg Phenylpropionate
Half-life approximately 4.5 days

60mg Isocaproate
Half-life approximately 9 days

100mg Decanoate
Half-life approximately 15 days

The pharmacokinetic properties of Sustanon are not too dissimilar to that of Testosterone Enanthate. Sustanon has a Cmax of approximately 70nmol/l, which is reached approximately 24-48 h (tmax) after administration. Levels then return to baseline after approximately 21 days, longer than Enanthate, presumably due to the longer half-life of the decanoate ester(4). In theory, this blend of esters with varying half-life’s was designed to reduce the peaks and troughs associated with the metabolism of the testosterone. Unfortunately, in practice, this is not the case.
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What are your goals for this cycle? I see you running massive dosages of NPP and test, so is the purpose bulk or strength?

Oh I must have missed you were running 700mg a week of test. That is quite high, and you know your own body, but estrogen can have a wide variety of benefits. Aromasin reduces 85-95% of total estrogen in the body, leaving you with very little. I would recommend a SERM like Nolvadex at 20-40mg a day or EOD to keep some of those benefits of estrogen while on cycle.
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I'd highly recommend you give these two posts a read about the benefits of estrogen while on cycle.
That study was done on postmenopausal women bro. In men 25 mg of aromasin a day lowers e2 by 60%. This guy doesn't want Orangutan titties, I think he knows what he is doing with his AI.
 
You consider 450mg a massive dose for NPP? Also I stated that I only have the caber on hand IF needed. It’s a bulking cycle my experience with dbol isn’t a lot of bloating I keep water retention at a minimum due to keeping estrogen in check and also by eating clean foods never have bloating issues. With blood work done the prescribed AI amount keeps me stable and out of trouble you gotta know your body and not just go off conversion tables etc everybody will need a different amount. As far as sust not keeping levels stable I have used both sust and cypro with no side effects indicating problems with levels spiking or dropping so I feel comfortable with the sustanon thanks again
 
In men 25 mg of aromasin a day lowers e2 by 60%.

Got a study for me on this, old buddy? ;)

You consider 450mg a massive dose for NPP?

450mg of NPP a week? Divided into how many shots? Why not just use Deca? Are you some sort of masochist who loves jamming needles into himself daily? :ROFLMAO:

That would come out to 64mg a day, and NPP lasts 24-48 hours, so like 150mg shots every 3 days? I guess that doesn't seem too excessive.

But, you say you're on a bulking cycle, so why use drugs for lean gains? Get some NPP for the first couple weeks to get your nandrolone level up and then switch to Deca. Tren is also more of a lean mass drug (IMO), but why use ace instead of enan? You can still bulk with tren, of course, and if you've done that before more power to you, but a lot of people really dislike the sides of tren. Why not go with a drug more for bulking like EQ?

Also I stated that I only have the caber on hand IF needed. It’s a bulking cycle my experience with dbol isn’t a lot of bloating I keep water retention at a minimum due to keeping estrogen in check and also by eating clean foods never have bloating issues.

You know your body best, bro. If clean eating keeps the bloat down for you, consider yourself one of the lucky ones. Still, it just seems counterintuitive to use Dbol at the end of the cycle. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

With blood work done the prescribed AI amount keeps me stable and out of trouble you gotta know your body and not just go off conversion tables etc everybody will need a different amount.

Fair point and good on you for getting your blood work done. The conversation tables are merely just illustrating that cypionate keeps your test levels at a more stable level than Sustanon does. Like I said, for future reference. I'm on Sustanon myself right now, but I'm doing a TRT homebrew cycle and only injecting 250mg every 2 weeks. For me, with test cyp I'd have to inject weekly, but with Sust I can spread that out because of the fast-medium-slow esters it contains. Beyond that, Sustanon has always been more of a marketing gimmick than anything else. It just sounds cool like you're getting more testosterone in your vial. But, if you like it, fine with me.
 
I know normally everyone says not to do two 19nor compounds but was wondering if anyone has or would consider NPP and Tren ace in the same stack ? With proper AI and caber for prolactin. Was thinking maybe this.

1. sustanon test 700mg (12 weeks)
2. NPP 450mg (12 weeks)
3. Tren ace 200mg (10 weeks)
4. Dbol 30mg (last 4 weeks)
5. Aromasin 12.5 (3-4 times weekly)
6. Caber (on hand if needed)

I wouldn't run that cycle. I think most guys on this board wouldn't run it
.... But some would.

The main question that popped into my head was ... Have you already ran each of these compounds before?

If not, I wouldn't recommend running that cycle.

If you have (and this is what you want to run) ... Then run it.
Be careful.
And, do some type of log, if you're so inclined.

(y)
 
Got a study for me on this, old buddy? ;)



450mg of NPP a week? Divided into how many shots? Why not just use Deca? Are you some sort of masochist who loves jamming needles into himself daily? :ROFLMAO:

That would come out to 64mg a day, and NPP lasts 24-48 hours, so like 150mg shots every 3 days? I guess that doesn't seem too excessive.

But, you say you're on a bulking cycle, so why use drugs for lean gains? Get some NPP for the first couple weeks to get your nandrolone level up and then switch to Deca. Tren is also more of a lean mass drug (IMO), but why use ace instead of enan? You can still bulk with tren, of course, and if you've done that before more power to you, but a lot of people really dislike the sides of tren. Why not go with a drug more for bulking like EQ?



You know your body best, bro. If clean eating keeps the bloat down for you, consider yourself one of the lucky ones. Still, it just seems counterintuitive to use Dbol at the end of the cycle. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.



Fair point and good on you for getting your blood work done. The conversation tables are merely just illustrating that cypionate keeps your test levels at a more stable level than Sustanon does. Like I said, for future reference. I'm on Sustanon myself right now, but I'm doing a TRT homebrew cycle and only injecting 250mg every 2 weeks. For me, with test cyp I'd have to inject weekly, but with Sust I can spread that out because of the fast-medium-slow esters it contains. Beyond that, Sustanon has always been more of a marketing gimmick than anything else. It just sounds cool like you're getting more testosterone in your vial. But, if you like it, fine with me.
3 injections a week not bad at all at least for me it isn’t. And saying why not just use deca is like saying why eat steak when you can eat chicken lol we have all these compounds at are disposal why not try / use them ? The original post was asking if anyone as used them together not a question on why to use or is my AI use right etc
 
Btw, I found the study you were using as your reference, Renew, you lazy, lazy bastard! Can't even look up a study for your old pal, StarScream? For shame... :LOL:

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I wouldn't run that cycle. I think most guys on this board wouldn't run it
.... But some would.

The main question that popped into my head was ... Have you already ran each of these compounds before?

If not, I wouldn't recommend running that cycle.

If you have (and this is what you want to run) ... Then run it.
Be careful.
And, do some type of log, if you're so inclined.

(y)
I have used both compounds at separate times thanks
 
Btw, I found the study you were using as your reference, Renew, you lazy, lazy bastard! Can't even look up a study for your old pal, StarScream? For shame... :LOL:

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LOL.
Honestly, I just got home from a job that went late.

I haven't had time to look at much of anything yet.

:D
 
Btw, I found the study you were using as your reference, Renew, you lazy, lazy bastard! Can't even look up a study for your old pal, StarScream? For shame... :LOL:

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Btw, just out of my own personal curiosity, I wanted to see where that 60% number was coming from. The reference was for the following study: Invalid Link Removed

So, the study for the 60% amount was calculated from elderly men. I downloaded the study and had a look.

Mean age and BMI per DHEAS stratum for men and women are given in Table 5. Both women and men in higher DHEAS subgroups were significantly younger (P , 0.001), but the mean ages of men and women per DHEAS stratum were similar. DHEAS and BMI were not significantly associated.

Figure 1 shows the calculated relative contributions of the testes and adrenal glands to the plasma levels of E2, E1, androstenedione and testosterone in men, stratified by DHEAS level. The relative contribution (%) of the testes to hormone levels per DHEAS stratum (,2, 2–4, 4–6 and .6 mmol/l) respectively were, for E2, 72%, 60%, 52% and 44%; for E1, 54%, 47%, 35% and 34%

So, the E2 was different for different test subjects, as was the E1. So That 60% number is probably the mean of all the collected data. If you want to figure out the E1 mean, I've left the study as an attachment.

Anyway, sorry to hijack your thread @Dm1988 - I just like to give @Renew1 a hard time sometimes.
 

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I think you are mistaken, good sir. Unless I missed something (which I am prone to do).
Well unless he didn’t read were I told you that I had used sustanon and dbol before then yes maybe he was talking about all compounds but I assumed he read were I had used sustanon without level issues and were I also wrote to you that dbol didn’t bloat me ....
 
Well unless he didn’t read were I told you that I had used sustanon and dbol before then yes maybe he was talking about all compounds but I assumed he read were I had used sustanon without level issues and were I also wrote to you that dbol didn’t bloat me ....

Ok, gotcha bro, just wasn't completely clear. Your syntax is a little weird. I don't mean to be rude, but is English not your native language?

Btw, I didn't mean to imply you were having level issues with Sustanon. Just that it's not ideal for keeping testosterone levels stable at level amounts over a period of multiple days. I'm really struggling to come up with a graph to illustrate my point, but I'm not having any luck finding one.
 
Ok, gotcha bro, just wasn't completely clear. Your syntax is a little weird. I don't mean to be rude, but is English not your native language?

Btw, I didn't mean to imply you were having level issues with Sustanon. Just that it's not ideal for keeping testosterone levels stable at level amounts over a period of multiple days. I'm really struggling to come up with a graph to illustrate my point, but I'm not having any luck finding one.
All due respect I don’t need your graph I know it works for me given my past results. Sorry if you don’t understand this response I tried to type it in my native language English haha
 
OP Id recommend having ralox on hand as well, or at the least nolva.

That stack will have you PRing like crazy. And youll look joocy as fawk. Id prolly run the test lower, add masteron, and swap dbol for sdrol, but what you have is still guaranteed crazy results of course.
 
I know normally everyone says not to do two 19nor compounds but was wondering if anyone has or would consider NPP and Tren ace in the same stack ? With proper AI and caber for prolactin. Was thinking maybe this.

1. sustanon test 700mg (12 weeks)
2. NPP 450mg (12 weeks)
3. Tren ace 200mg (10 weeks)
4. Dbol 30mg (last 4 weeks)
5. Aromasin 12.5 (3-4 times weekly)
6. Caber (on hand if needed)

Have I ran tren and deca together? Yes. Would I ever again? HELL NO. Imagine being 10x more horny on tren and about to climax but then your cock goes soft from the deca, then you get pissed and keep going till you eventually get it and by that point you’re drenched in fcking niagra falls by that point from the excessive sweating from tren. It’s not a good idea imo, and that’s personal, honest experience LOL.
 
Have I ran tren and deca together? Yes. Would I ever again? HELL NO. Imagine being 10x more horny on tren and about to climax but then your cock goes soft from the deca, then you get pissed and keep going till you eventually get it and by that point you’re drenched in fcking niagra falls by that point from the excessive sweating from tren. It’s not a good idea imo, and that’s personal, honest experience LOL.

might just be me but that sounds quite good fun 🤣🤣
 
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